Will HM become a relaity before 2012?

[Obsidian]

I'm not making an argument as if to say cancer is somehow a lesser evil than hairloss. That's ridiculous. But its presence isn't necessarily going to be solved by taking almost no focus for other things like FM. Right now as it stands the research for FM, and public effort to push it to a realization, seems almost standstill beyond these test trials. And even with the limited resources, places like Intercytex are having some success, imagine if it was truly put into an urgency with more funding and the medical world decided to seriously solve it. The problem is right now FM is not looked on as important, that's why there's just Follica and Intercytex. It's because so many people downplay losing their hair and settle for less, and that's bullshit. As far as I'm concerned this is the only mortal coil I have and once I shuffle off there is no more life, ever. And to be completely morbid day in and day out with an uneccessary torture that can be solved twice as fast with modern technology but isn't...that's just absurd.

Do you seriously want to argue the case that a cure for cancer is closer than to a perfected form of FM? And somehow there is no justification for stepping up money and resources for FM because it might have gone to cancer??? Does that mean they shouldn't have spent billions of dollars on an atom smasher and instead used it for cancer research? If it wasn't likely that FM could be finished with a little more urgency I wouldn't make the argument. I mean, how long do you think it would take for FM to be a reality if a few billion dollars were poured into the research and tests? Smaller things that can be solved are also important, along with huge obstacles like deadly diseases.

This is our life, right now. If you want to settle that FM has to take the backseat, then it will probably be ready for the next generations, when we're old and have "one foot in the grave", that's the bottom line.

I never said FM had to take a back seat to other diseases but at the end of the day we still only know so much about hair loss and the human body and that goes for HIV/Cancer/other debilitating diseases. I won't lie it sucks losing my hair at this age especially when my Dad will still have more hair than me ten years from now but guess what? It happens. The reason I am hesistant because how many times have we said we are close to a cure and more importantly how long? Besides you know how much I would love to have see my Cousin still be alive or at least had to not die as painfully from AIDS?

 

[uncomfortable man]

Someone should tell these scientists that the cure for all other diseases will stem from the hairloss cure. That should get the ball rollin.

 

[Re75]

I never said FM had to take a back seat to other diseases but at the end of the day we still only know so much about hair loss and the human body and that goes for HIV/Cancer/other debilitating diseases. I won't lie it sucks losing my hair at this age especially when my Dad will still have more hair than me ten years from now but guess what? It happens. The reason I am hesistant because how many times have we said we are close to a cure and more importantly how long? Besides you know how much I would love to have see my Cousin still be alive or at least had to not die as painfully from AIDS?

It's true we still only know so much but if Intercytex is having at least SOME progress, and if it wasn't just two companies but a more broad iniative with proper funding, FM would come twice as fast. I don't think anyone doubts that this procedure will exist in the future, right? The only question is will it happen before it's too late for us.

People with diseases like AIDS have to rely on a broken health care system in the US, and the ones with money can afford the medicine that helps them survive longer or manage the disease less painfully. With FM you simply pay for injections and move on with your life, no big pharmaceutical companies/insurance companies stand to make huge profits except for the practicioners of the periodic injections. That is a great incentive alone. And once it's established and test-proven it doesn't hinder the focus for deadly disease research. There are so many credible incentives as to why it should be propelled right now, especially with the positive impact it would make in peoples' lives...but it just isn't. I guess the ethical question raised can be phrased as : Is it wrong to suggest that the quest for ultimate cures for cancer or aids should not completely overshadow work for other medical breakthroughs on the horizon?

Am I being too simplistic? That's how I see it anyway, and I'm sorry if I came off as uncaring about deadly diseases.

 

[ClayShaw]

I see more advances in science such as treating cancer and other deadly diseases which to be honest I would rather see than hairloss. We may see it in our lifetime maybe not but I honestly think if we do, it won't be 'till most of us will have one foot in the grave. It may sound pessimistic but hairloss isn't really comparable to say finding a treatable solution to Alzheimers. The acell thing for treating scars I think will be available before the magic cure.

I hope we will see at least one or more treatments available in the future which is better than just the two proven ones on the market.

I think it depends on how you frame the debate. Is it more worthwhile to save someone who probably already has one foot in the grave (alzheimer's) or vastly improve the quality of life for a 17 year old forever? The problem with talk about curing baldness is that its always framed as "Why can't these 45-50 year old men accept aging?". It's seen as a middle aged man's problem.You never hear "Why can't this high school senior accept the fact that he's going to look like he's 60 before he's 25?".
If I were over 40, I wouldn't be here. Guarantee.

 

[Hope4hairRedux]

Even if it does, I dont think it will really be the silver bullet.

First off it would cost shitloads. Then there would be a fat waiting list. And the actual results would be substandard anyway. It wont be the ideal of a literal new head of hair.

Forget about it and just get off this site.

 

[Whoop]

Even if it does, I dont think it will really be the silver bullet.

First off it would cost shitloads. Then there would be a fat waiting list. And the actual results would be substandard anyway. It wont be the ideal of a literal new head of hair.

Forget about it and just get off this site.

:gay2:

 

[uncomfortable man]

They will have HM perfected when I am 76. Consistent with my luck in life. I just want to die.

 

[Whoop]

N

o, you'll obviously get hit by a truck after walking out of the clinic... man up ffs

 

[ClayShaw]

N

o, you'll obviously get hit by a truck after walking out of the clinic... man up ffs

And he would die a happy man...

 

[Whoop]

N

o, you'll obviously get hit by a truck after walking out of the clinic... man up ffs

And he would die a happy man...

Whaha :jump:

 

[Kube8]

I really hope so, but I doubt it. I will be the first one in line for it when it does. It's going to be a race for me. The propecia isn't working as well as it should anymore and I'm a ticking time bomb. It's sad. I hope all this HM stuff goes smoothly, safely and quickly! It seems like there's a lot of progress with stem cell related studies so lets hope!

I remember starting propecia in 1997 or 1998 whenever that was and thinking.... well, if this lasts 10 years or so that's great - I'm sure they'll have come up with something else by then. ooops I was wrong.

 

[Boondock]

I think there's a lot of undue negativity here about the prospects for hair multiplication.

The company I've been mostly following has been Intercytex, and their phase II trials appear to have been extremely successful. I think I remember that with the high number of injections and scalp stimulation, hair growth occurred in 100% of the participants - and this is before the technology's even been refined. I know they're not showing pictures, but that's no reason to assume there's some conspiracy going on. There's a lot of distrust in the hairloss industry, but I think this is a genuine outfit.

If Intercytex get their funding sorted, and get a move on, Phase III trials could begin in early 2010. If they take 2 years to complete, that's 2012. If we allow another two years for government approval, commercial production and so on, I imagine we're looking at a release date around 2014.

This actually isn't that bad. For most of us on here, we'll be able to stick with the conventional treatments and at least achieve maintenance in that time period. There are a lot of conventional treatments to try when you think about it, and even given the possibility of side-effects, or something not working for you, it's likely you'll achieve at least stability on your 2nd or 3rd regimen. Even if you decline slightly, there are options for restyling, using concealer and so on, which, when you think about it, will mean that you can hold out for this period of time.

And if the worst comes to the worst, you can try a hair system, try a hair transplant, or even shave your dome - it'll only be for a couple of years. But it probably won't come to that.

Now, nothing's certain in all this, and I could be wrong - maybe it won't be here in five years. But if it is, and you get the treatment, and it works, just imagine how you'd feel if you'd spent the last five years fretting over something that you had under control. On the other hand, imagine how you'd feel if you'd spent that period having a good time, with the added bonus of getting your hair fully back afterwards.

It's not the end of the world. We're extremely lucky to have this stuff on the horizon, and it could be a great source of hope for many of us.

 

[Whoop]

Spot on! :agree:

 

[Innermind]

I will single handedly discover the secrete to cure hairloss through pure meditation, as i will transcend the physical realm and be able to analyze all the data contained within the fabric of the universe. :shock:

But on a more serious note, I have more faith in follica than intercytex... not because intercytex posted shady results, but becasue they are going broke.

 

[ryan r]

Boondock, well said!

 

[debris]

unfortunately guys if you actually read their phase II results you would know that the results are FAR from useable.

They measured increased counts of hair thicker than 30microns. you should know that average human head hair is 100 microns.

That pretty much says it all. the hair they measured wont produce useable coverage. its thin as hell. and the new hair counts were low as well.

in other words, if this should be useable breakthrough, they'd need to improve it at least 5x in effectivenes imho.

That also explains why they plan to start again from scratch. they are in preclinicals with protohairs and they clearly stated that they hope that protohairs will be significantly better solution.

Stop being delusional, read reports, interpret the numbers. Don't just assume. Think.

 

[Kube8]

I will single handedly discover the secrete to cure hairloss through pure meditation, as i will transcend the physical realm and be able to analyze all the data contained within the fabric of the universe. :shock:

But on a more serious note, I have more faith in follica than intercytex... not because intercytex posted shady results, but becasue they are going broke.

Yes I'm quite curious about what Follica might do. I am concerned, seems odd, but then again, it was a "fluke" as they said. I just wonder what kind of hair they can grow.

Oh and another thing. Mind you, I read about Follica a long time ago so my mind is foggy, but what if you still have hair that's thinning? How on earth would that work? It seems they disrupt the scalp in some fashion, which I could see being fine with guys who are completely bald, but what about those of us who have hair? Also, from the pictures, it looked like the hairs were growing in an erratic fashion as opposed to how our hair would normally grow. I'd really prefer not to look like I have a pekingese on my head you know? Yes, those were mice, but I'm concerned and cautiously optimistic.

I'll perform any sexual favor for whoever fixes this! Maybe twice.

 

[ClayShaw]

I will single handedly discover the secrete to cure hairloss through pure meditation, as i will transcend the physical realm and be able to analyze all the data contained within the fabric of the universe. :shock:

But on a more serious note, I have more faith in follica than intercytex... not because intercytex posted shady results, but becasue they are going broke.

Yes I'm quite curious about what Follica might do. I am concerned, seems odd, but then again, it was a "fluke" as they said. I just wonder what kind of hair they can grow.

Oh and another thing. Mind you, I read about Follica a long time ago so my mind is foggy, but what if you still have hair that's thinning? How on earth would that work? It seems they disrupt the scalp in some fashion, which I could see being fine with guys who are completely bald, but what about those of us who have hair? Also, from the pictures, it looked like the hairs were growing in an erratic fashion as opposed to how our hair would normally grow. I'd really prefer not to look like I have a pekingese on my head you know? Yes, those were mice, but I'm concerned and cautiously optimistic.

I'll perform any sexual favor for whoever fixes this! Maybe twice.

I still have hair on my head, and if Follica really worked, I'd be willing to go "bald" to grow back a full head of hair if it were required. I'd buzz it, let them do their thing, and be psyched a month later. No problem with that.

 

[somone uk]

hmm i originally voted no but i think it would be available but expensive
i can bet anything though that when it comes out the price will drop like lead balloons after a year or 2 and would yield better results
i meant it is simple economics that when something that will have a high demand gets realised it will cost a lot but as time goes by and people get treated the demand will start to fall and soon after the demand falls the price falls, and as technology progresses it becomes cheaper for them and better so it's probs better to not get TRC or anything till about 2 years after it comes out

ohh and btw TRC cannot make new hair yet it only revitalise vellous and dormant hair

 

[Boondock]

ohh and btw TRC cannot make new hair yet it only revitalise vellous and dormant hair

That's not quite right, I think the whole idea is that so long as you have some existing hair to culture a sample from, you can implant it anywhere. This is why it's allegedly useful for, say, burns victims, whereas propecia is not.

Incidentally, I'd probably retract my statement now. I'm a bit more of a pessimist - I don't think HM will be avaiable by 2012. I think it more likely it'll take till 2020.