Abstinence is the major weapon in defeating hair loss!!!!

[zizoux]

what about wet dreams?
Also when I abstain, I always have that urge to pee. It feels like I have enlarged prostate. Idk maybe its just me. However I do agree that "excessive" orgasm is bad for your body let alone your hair.

www.yourbrainrebalanced.com/index.php?topic=11806.0

I read the first page of the thread. Those guys say that they used to fap at least 3-4 times a day. Everyone in their right mind would say its excessive fapping.

 

[dreamermerlin]

There is no proof or science for any of this NOFAP stuff. It is all just a bunch of guys with full heads of hair claiming that this nonsense is working, when in fact they can't really tell the difference. You wont ever see somebody that is actually losing his hair waste his time with this BS. The difference is the NOFAP guys have time to waste, or think they do. Nobody worse than NW2 would waste his time with this stuff. At least not if he wants to do something to keep his hair.

Oh , please, i've asked this question many times before: What do you WASTE by not jerking off??
Can you waste time by NOT DOING an activity? I don't know, it looks the opposite to me, you actually gain more time by quitting something.
they "have no time to wasre" ,or they are too addicted to jerking off, maybe, and simply can't quit?

 

[mr the hairy monkey]

no wet dreams since before I started masturbating.

but this is psychological , I am not seeking "soft p**rn" into movies or trying to bypass nofap by fantasizing on some girl ,I don't get hard-ons on purpose either , my experiment is completely honest.

if you start craving sex and think about filthy things , then you'll be served during your sleep.

don't give yourself a reason to have wet dreams and they won't occur.

however , I have to admit that somewhat the enlarged prostate feeling occurs to me ,which makes me more prone to relapse and indulge into my favourite former hobby xD , I urinate just to attenuate that feeling , and it works , prostate has to nothing to do with urine though , that's the bladder that we are talking about when it comes to peeing.

yet again , this might work for some but not for others , it's all about how your DNA is programmed.

3-4 times a day is too much , even if I wished to do so I couldn't , I am not a sperm bank , and even if I could ... more than one time a day kills the pleasure , it's like eating when your stomach is already full.

but I can affirm that the psychological impact / well-being is genuine , oh that's for damn sure.

It fixed my social anxiety problems and stress at some level , now I am not saying that it turned me into some kind of sage but it definitely improved my psychological-side.

edit : glad to see you again dreamermerlin

 

[maher]

http://www.yourbrainrebalanced.com/index.php?topic=11806.0

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I've read this thread while back and whats interesting is that none of those guys were doing it for the hair... but lots of them realised, it dramatically reduced their hairloss. Their observations are objective.

what about wet dreams?
Also when I abstain, I always have that urge to pee. It feels like I have enlarged prostate. Idk maybe its just me. However I do agree that "excessive" orgasm is bad for your body let alone your hair.

www.yourbrainrebalanced.com/index.php?topic=11806.0

I read the first page of the thread. Those guys say that they used to fap at least 3-4 times a day. Everyone in their right mind would say its excessive fapping.

How do you abstain? I dont think its good for you if you get very aroused and you don't fap.

I got the felling 2-4 times a day is like "golden standard" these days.lol. And noone can tell me this is normal or healthy...

 

[mr the hairy monkey]

I've read this thread while back and whats interesting is that none of those guys were doing it for the hair... but lots of them realized, it dramatically reduced their hairloss. Their observations are objective.

yeah that's for psychological purpose and for their brain's sake.

that makes me think about stress and depression that have an accelerating effect on hairloss , I reckon that I went through this every time that I masturbated, I was on the top of the world for the time being, then right-afterwards it goes downhill until depression , I have never smoked tobacco or consumed any drugs , but from what I've been reading about drugs , it leads to the same outcome , from greatness to anxiety and extreme stress.

sometime I recall having stressed for no apparent reason at some random moments , even when lying on my bed , maybe that's the thing I need to put an end to my Telogen Effluvium.

If your prostate creates semen which you don't release , I've read that it has some pretty harmful effects , like prostate inflammation.

 

[maher]

If your prostate creates semen which you don't release , I've read that it has some pretty harmful effects , like prostate inflammation.

Yes. You have to do nofap properly. I don't have any urinary problems. In fact- since I'm on nofap, I have a urine flow of a horse.

 

[frenchy]

congrats mr the hairy monkey, a month off 'PMO' this's quite impressive

 

[mr the hairy monkey]

thank you frenchy , actually it's a little more than that , I was not sure about it so I put one month.

 

[frenchy]

beside hairloss, regording the all "more energy etc..." do you see an actual improvement?

 

[mr the hairy monkey]

well yes totally , if you deplete your body from its semen you'll leak proteins.

but here it depends on what we are talking about , if it's over masturbation then yes , if it's casual masturbation I don't think that it could have such a big effect.

 

[kirk]

I really have a problem with the title of this thread. Assuming there is any truth to it (which there is not!), it's like saying 'the best way to avoid food poisoning is to avoid food.' This is simply not an option for me. wtf?

 

[mr the hairy monkey]

I really have a problem with the title of this thread. Assuming there is any truth to it (which there is not!), it's like saying 'the best way to avoid food poisoning is to avoid food.' This is simply not an option for me. wtf?

I get your point , but food isn't comparable to this ,I you don't eat -> you die

If you don't have intercourse or masturbation -> you don't

there is a price to pay for every result.

If you are fat and that you want to slim and build a muscular mass , you have to go through some drudgery to pull it off.

 

[kirk]

I get your point , but food isn't comparable to this ,I you don't eat -> you die

If you don't have intercourse or masturbation -> you don't

there is a price to pay for every result.

If you are fat and that you want to slim and build a muscular mass , you have to go through some drudgery to pull it off.

...Yeah, but...

Losing hair = reduced chance of getting laid

...however...

Not having sex = not having sex.

Maybe my logic is bias toward intercourse, but it does not seem healthy to have a fear of having sex/masturbating.

 

[frenchy]

Because even when I don't have wet dreams, I literally discharge some semen after I pee. If you google it I'm sure you'll find so many examples.(i.e wetdreamforum.com)

dafuq did i just read??

 

[californiaoceans911]

No. I did the same thing you've been doing. Last week I relapsed on my 15th day. Because I had a very vivid wet dream. Actually I was trying not to c*m in my sleep but couldn't. So can't just say that it's all about a psychological thing. Sure our subconscious is the reason we have those kinds of dreams. But you can't deny the fact that our bodies somehow release that build up sperm. I am not even going to argue with you on that. Because even when I don't have wet dreams, I literally discharge some semen after I pee. If you google it I'm sure you'll find so many examples.(i.e wetdreamforum.com)

I think you may need to seek some help dude. Your body is trying to tell you something. Stop denying your body of this normal function.

As for those who think masturbation causes hair loss, don't be ridiculous. I see people make this mistake all the time.

CORRELATION =/= CAUSATION

Fact: ejaculating is not the rate limiting step in the production of 5-alpha-reductase or 5-alpha-dihydrotestosterone.

Even if sex was the cause of hair loss, I would rather lose all my hair. If someone told you they stopped losing their hair because they started eating vegan would you do it? If it wasn't scientifically proven I sure as hell wouldn't. People (read qualified scientists) have been studying sex for a long time. If there was a causal link between sex and hair loss, it would have been established and published.

End this nonsense.

 

[dreamermerlin]

I think you may need to seek some help dude. Your body is trying to tell you something. Stop denying your body of this normal function.

As for those who think masturbation causes hair loss, don't be ridiculous. I see people make this mistake all the time.

CORRELATION =/= CAUSATION

Fact: ejaculating is not the rate limiting step in the production of 5-alpha-reductase or 5-alpha-dihydrotestosterone.

Even if sex was the cause of hair loss, I would rather lose all my hair. If someone told you they stopped losing their hair because they started eating vegan would you do it? If it wasn't scientifically proven I sure as hell wouldn't. People (read qualified scientists) have been studying sex for a long time. If there was a causal link between sex and hair loss, it would have been established and published.

End this nonsense.

Sorry dude, but i don't think you convinced anybody of anything.
For sex vs hairlossproblem, the best we can tell is: you can't know for sure.
Yes there aren't concludent studies to prove that too much sex may worsen hair situation, but also there aren't studies that it doesn't have any implciation at all.

Oh, and about your last phrase "scientists have been studying sex and if...", come on, it is the most ridiculous platitude i read today!
Yeah, if there was a cure for cancer or other diseases, scientists would have discovered it, dont you think?
I think this is amajor logical flaw for someone who pretends that he knows something about science, sorry to say that!

And, by the way, scientists don't have any clue about the real and complete mechanism of hair loss YET, so you can;t exclude anything.

 

[drgs]

As for those who think masturbation causes hair loss, don't be ridiculous. I see people make this mistake all the time.

CORRELATION =/= CAUSATION

Correlation does not automatically imply causation, it is correct.
It does not mean it never implies causation in any case -- all it says is that it can or can not be, until we find out.

By formal logic, there is a possibility for causation in this case.

You and we have no conclusion.
And by the way, californiaoceans911, stop chewing snot and move on with your life.

If there was a causal link between sex and hair loss, it would have been established and published.

We barely understand why hair loss happens -- PGD2 link was discovered a couple of years ago.
Sex and hair loss studies -- what scientist gives a crap?

 

[californiaoceans911]

Sorry dude, but i don't think you convinced anybody of anything.
For sex vs hairlossproblem, the best we can tell is: you can't know for sure.
Yes there aren't concludent studies to prove that too much sex may worsen hair situation, but also there aren't studies that it doesn't have any implciation at all.

Oh, and about your last phrase "scientists have been studying sex and if...", come on, it is the most ridiculous platitude i read today!
Yeah, if there was a cure for cancer or other diseases, scientists would have discovered it, dont you think?
I think this is amajor logical flaw for someone who pretends that he knows something about science, sorry to say that!

And, by the way, scientists don't have any clue about the real and complete mechanism of hair loss YET, so you can;t exclude anything.

Your cancer comment was simply retarded. We know the mechanism which miniaturizes hairs, and we know the mechanism that converts Testosterone to DHT. Scientists can measure DHT levels, and thus would be able to monitor DHT changes of someone who is abstaining from sex and then measure the levels after they ejaculate. So yea, it isn't a platitude. When you get your PhD from MIT then you can come and tell me I'm not a scientist.

 

[drgs]

So, prove it.
Show us the study which studied DHT after ejaculation

 

[dreamermerlin]

Your cancer comment was simply retarded. We know the mechanism which miniaturizes hairs, and we know the mechanism that converts Testosterone to DHT. Scientists can measure DHT levels, and thus would be able to monitor DHT changes of someone who is abstaining from sex and then measure the levels after they ejaculate. So yea, it isn't a platitude. When you get your PhD from MIT then you can come and tell me I'm not a scientist.

My friend...DHT is not by any means a complete explanation of the balding mechanism...
Please stop acting like the scientist here, dude.
What scientist, in lack of arguments, starts insulting?
No, my dear, that comment of you was not clever at all "bla bla scientists research for a long timeand if it were a connection they would have discovered it". You can't convince even a kindergarten kid with such arguments..
I've given you the example with cancer, scientist also study cancer for a long time, and yet the mortality cause by this disease is only increasing at most cancers.
Like scientist know all or discovered everything...
I don;t blame scientists at all, but there are loads of things they still haven't explained or figured out. So don's present sceintists like some miraculous dudes who can figure put anything, cause it's not. They simply kind of grope in the dark, most of the time. Don't you see minoxidil and finasteride were discovered by mistake as working for hair loss, they were devised mainly for other purposes. Wtf? We don;t even know the exact mechanism of action for minoxidil in hair loss, a medicine discovered almost 35 years ago...

And, speaking of hair loss vs sex, do you have a study or more that concluded there isn't any connection? Please share it then and put an end to the problem once and for all.
And don't tell us you need a Phd at MIT to conclude that, if there isn't a convincing study proving the fact F, that means F is completeley false. It may be false, but it also may be true, or partially true, or true in some conditions, even if nobody proved it or understood it.
Wtf? We don;t even know the exact mechanism of action for minoxidil, a medicine discovered almost 35 years ago...