Abstinence is the major weapon in defeating hair loss!!!!

[mr the hairy monkey]

No. I did the same thing you've been doing. Last week I relapsed on my 15th day. Because I had a very vivid wet dream. Actually I was trying not to c*m in my sleep but couldn't. So can't just say that it's all about a psychological thing. Sure our subconscious is the reason we have those kinds of dreams. But you can't deny the fact that our bodies somehow release that build up sperm. I am not even going to argue with you on that. Because even when I don't have wet dreams, I literally discharge some semen after I pee. If you google it I'm sure you'll find so many examples.(i.e wetdreamforum.com)

semen has to be built before being released , if you aren't being sexually aroused I doubt that you'll be actively transferring it to your c*** from your prostate (I might be spreading broscience about this though , as I haven't read anything about it , just me noticing things) , about the peeing thing , if you were peeing sperm you would have had that sticky liquid coming out of your c*** when you touch it with your fingers.

but I agree with you about wet dreams , you can't control them , but you can cushion them somehow.

someone used to p**rn , would be having more knowledge than someone who's never watched p**rn.

someone who's never watched p**rn would have some sort of "naive wetdreams" , when I was something about 14-16 years old I recall having had a nocturnal semen release that didn't even involve any p**rn/sex thoughts , because at that time I wasn't watching p**rn , that was just an erection followed by ejaculation...

 

[californiaoceans911]

It should be:



Endocrine effects of masturbation in men.

Purvis K, Landgren BM, Cekan Z, Diczfalusy E.
Abstract

The levels of pregnenolone, dehydroepiandrosterone (DHA), androstenedione, testosterone, dihydrotestosterone (DHT), oestrone, oestradiol, cortisol and luteinizing hormone (LH) were measured in the peripheral plasma of a group of young, apparently healthy males before and after masturbation. The same steroids were also determined in a control study, in which the psychological antipation of masturbation was encouraged, but the physical act was not carried out. The plasma levels of all steroids were significantly increased after masturbation, whereas steroid levels remained unchanged in the control study. The most marked changes after masturbation were observed in pregnenolone and DHA levels. No alterations were observed in the plasma levels of LH. Both before and after masturbation plasma levels of testosterone were significantly correlated to those of DHT and oestradiol, but not to those of the other steroids studied. On the other hand, cortisol levels were significantly correlated to those of pregnenolone, DHA, androstenedione and oestrone. In the same subjects, the levels of pregnenolone, DHA, androstenedione, testosterone and DHT, androstenedione and oestrone. In the same subjects, the levels of pregnenolone, DHA, androstenedione, testosterone and DHT in seminal plasma were also estimated; they were all significantly correlated to the levels of the corresponding steroid in the systemic blood withdrawn both before and after masturbation. As a practical consequence, the results indicate that whenever both blood and semen are analysed, blood sampling must precede semen collection.

As I stated early, this is the study that was discredited by the later work of others in the field (ie Knussmann et al.). Read the earlier post. Less than 8 subjects were used. I feel like I'm going in circles with you guys, and you're just not getting it.

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semen has to be built before being released , if you aren't being sexually aroused I doubt that you'll be actively transferring it to your c*** from your prostate (I might be spreading broscience about this though , as I haven't read anything about it , just me noticing things) , about the peeing thing , if you were peeing sperm you would have had that sticky liquid coming out of your c*** when you touch it with your fingers.

but I agree with you about wet dreams , you can't control them , but you can cushion them somehow.

someone used to p**rn , would be having more knowledge than someone who's never watched p**rn.

someone who's never watched p**rn would have some sort of "naive wetdreams" , when I was something about 14-16 years old I recall having had a nocturnal semen release that didn't even involve any p**rn/sex thoughts , because at that time I wasn't watching p**rn , that was just an erection followed by ejaculation...

The fuq? That sticky fluid coming out of your penis when you touch your erect penis is pre-c*m. There is no sperm in pre-c*m.

 

[mr the hairy monkey]

The fuq? That sticky fluid coming out of your penis when you touch your erect penis is pre-c*m. There is no sperm in pre-c*m.

well this is a sign of your sexual arousal isn't it ? if it is sperm or not doesn't matter as long as you triggered the arousal that can make you relapse.

 

[aero1976]

Guys, California is a gay 14 year old and is spewing false info and trying to get you to talk about your penis. Look at his other post. yesterday he was trying to say a study with 30 is relevant. It is not. Today he is telling you another study with 8 people is not relevant. Precum has sperm in it. Jesus, don't listen to this kid.

 

[californiaoceans911]

well this is a sign of your sexual arousal isn't it ? if it is sperm or not doesn't matter as long as you triggered the arousal that can make you relapse.

Fair enough, I see your point.

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Guys, California is a gay 14 year old and is spewing false info and trying to get you to talk about your penis. Look at his other post. yesterday he was trying to say a study with 30 is relevant. It is not. Today he is telling you another study with 8 people is not relevant. Precum has sperm in it. Jesus, don't listen to this kid.

LMAO. OK aero. Just going to ignore you. I didn't discredit it, other authors in the field did, try to read. FYI, precum does not have sperm in it. Pre-c*m is a fluid that is excreted to clear the pathway for ejaculate (which does have sperm) so that the sperm don't die as you c*m. The reason people report pregnancy due to precum is because they have sperm in the pathway prior to precum. For example, having sex, ejaculating, not urinating afterward, and then having sex again. Precum is there to clear out all the prior urine so your sperm isn't damaged on the way out.

1976? You're almost 40 years old and you don't know what precum is? Representing the Minnesota population well my friend :jackit:

 

[dehoha]

I did not want to misinform anybody, so I am writing an update. In the previous post, I mentioned that my knee seemed a lot better and more stable. Unfortunately, I think that was just a coincidence. I am trying to do 10k run by end of this year, so I have been trying to jog more than before, which is bringing a lot of pressure on my knee. Also, I relapsed two days ago after 19 days. I think the only way one can successfully nofap is to go cold turkey on porns/promiscuous pictures. It is so hard to fight against human instinct/addiction lol.

 

[zzzzz]

I did not want to misinform anybody, so I am writing an update. In the previous post, I mentioned that my knee seemed a lot better and more stable. Unfortunately, I think that was just a coincidence. I am trying to do 10k run by end of this year, so I have been trying to jog more than before, which is bringing a lot of pressure on my knee. Also, I relapsed two days ago after 19 days. I think the only way one can successfully nofap is to go cold turkey on porns/promiscuous pictures. It is so hard to fight against human instinct/addiction lol.

only if you are weak

not only are people who try nofap for hairloss stupid, but they often have terrible self control

I still have not heard one logical explanation as to how nofap decreases hair loss (the science behind it) except for that one study that maher read incorrectly (lol) I will literally make sure I neg him every time I see him

 

[californiaoceans911]

only if you are weak

not only are people who try nofap for hairloss stupid, but they often have terrible self control

I still have not heard one logical explanation as to how nofap decreases hair loss (the science behind it) except for that one study that maher read incorrectly (lol) I will literally make sure I neg him every time I see him

Finally someone else with some damn logic.

 

[mr the hairy monkey]

only if you are weak

not only are people who try nofap for hairloss stupid, but they often have terrible self control

I have better self-control thanks to what I am currently undergoing , don't insult me please.

at least we are trying something that could work, instead of staying arms crossed convincing ourselves that it won't do anything.

there is no clear studies about it , but that doesn't mean there aren't or will not be any of them.

if you think that masturbation is healthy and has no negative repercussions , well then carry on my friend , enjoy yourself.

nice to see that you too are part of that reputation monkey business going on, along with fredthebelgian.

some people think that masturbation is natural , how could be rubbing your c*** natural ? it's been learnt from your entourage (probably at school from your classmates) and p**rn movies.
it's a sex simulation , simulations are all but natural.

 

[Notcoolanymore]

Abstinence never was and never will be a major weapon against hair loss.

 

[californiaoceans911]

Abstinence never was and never will be a major weapon against hair loss.

:agree:

 

[maher]

Negg me, you dumm ****.

only if you are weak

not only are people who try nofap for hairloss stupid, but they often have terrible self control

I still have not heard one logical explanation as to how nofap decreases hair loss (the science behind it) except for that one study that maher read incorrectly (lol) I will literally make sure I neg him every time I see him

Endocrine effects of masturbation in men.

Purvis K, Landgren BM, Cekan Z, Diczfalusy E.
Abstract

The levels of pregnenolone, dehydroepiandrosterone (DHA), androstenedione, testosterone, dihydrotestosterone (DHT), oestrone, oestradiol, cortisol and luteinizing hormone (LH) were measured in the peripheral plasma of a group of young, apparently healthy males before and after masturbation. The same steroids were also determined in a control study, in which the psychological antipation of masturbation was encouraged, but the physical act was not carried out. The plasma levels of all steroids were significantly increased after masturbation, whereas steroid levels remained unchanged in the control study. The most marked changes after masturbation were observed in pregnenolone and DHA levels. No alterations were observed in the plasma levels of LH. Both before and after masturbation plasma levels of testosterone were significantly correlated to those of DHT and oestradiol, but not to those of the other steroids studied. On the other hand, cortisol levels were significantly correlated to those of pregnenolone, DHA, androstenedione and oestrone. In the same subjects, the levels of pregnenolone, DHA, androstenedione, testosterone and DHT, androstenedione and oestrone. In the same subjects, the levels of pregnenolone, DHA, androstenedione, testosterone and DHT in seminal plasma were also estimated; they were all significantly correlated to the levels of the corresponding steroid in the systemic blood withdrawn both before and after masturbation. As a practical consequence, the results indicate that whenever both blood and semen are analysed, blood sampling must precede semen collection.

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I'm done with trolls.

 

[californiaoceans911]

Negg me, you dumm ****.



Endocrine effects of masturbation in men.

Purvis K, Landgren BM, Cekan Z, Diczfalusy E.
Abstract

The levels of pregnenolone, dehydroepiandrosterone (DHA), androstenedione, testosterone, dihydrotestosterone (DHT), oestrone, oestradiol, cortisol and luteinizing hormone (LH) were measured in the peripheral plasma of a group of young, apparently healthy males before and after masturbation. The same steroids were also determined in a control study, in which the psychological antipation of masturbation was encouraged, but the physical act was not carried out. The plasma levels of all steroids were significantly increased after masturbation, whereas steroid levels remained unchanged in the control study. The most marked changes after masturbation were observed in pregnenolone and DHA levels. No alterations were observed in the plasma levels of LH. Both before and after masturbation plasma levels of testosterone were significantly correlated to those of DHT and oestradiol, but not to those of the other steroids studied. On the other hand, cortisol levels were significantly correlated to those of pregnenolone, DHA, androstenedione and oestrone. In the same subjects, the levels of pregnenolone, DHA, androstenedione, testosterone and DHT, androstenedione and oestrone. In the same subjects, the levels of pregnenolone, DHA, androstenedione, testosterone and DHT in seminal plasma were also estimated; they were all significantly correlated to the levels of the corresponding steroid in the systemic blood withdrawn both before and after masturbation. As a practical consequence, the results indicate that whenever both blood and semen are analysed, blood sampling must precede semen collection.

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I'm done with trolls.

Said it before, I'll say it again....purvis' findings were later discredited by the community. NOM NOM moron.

 

[zizoux]

some people think that masturbation is natural , how could be rubbing your c*** natural ? it's been learnt from your entourage (probably at school from your classmates) and p**rn movies.
it's a sex simulation , simulations are all but natural.

In his 1999 book, Biological exuberance, Bruce Bagemihl documents that:
''Autoeroticism also occurs widely among animals, both male and female. A variety of creative techniques are used, including genital stimulation using the hand or front paw (primates, Lions), foot (Vampire Bats, primates), flipper (Walruses), or tail (Savanna Baboons), sometimes accompanied by stimulation of the nipples (Rhesus Macaques, Bonobos)
Many birds masturbate by mounting and copulating with tufts of grass, leaves or mounds of earth, and some mammals such as primates and dolphins also rub their genitals against the ground or other surfaces to stimulate themselves.
''Apes and Monkeys use a variety of objects to masturbate with and even deliberately create implements for sexual stimulation [...] often in highly creative ways''
you can continue here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_sexual_behaviour

And no. I didn't learn it from anyone.Just one day, at the age of 12, I found myself rubbing on the couch and that gave me very pleasurable sensation.
Also please don't say what is natural what is not natural. By your logic, I'm sure most things that you do in your life is not natural. (any electronic device you use, cars etc.)

Btw, at first I really liked that nofap community when they used to do nofap to let their bodies recharge. But nowadays their posts make me really fap. Because they go as far as to say that sex is meaningles unless you're trying to procreate. The heck? They've begun to talk like some saints. I myself fap once a week or two weeks.

 

[maher]

Said it before, I'll say it again....purvis' findings were later discredited by the community. NOM NOM moron.

Resorts to insults. what.are you 16? and stop trolling.

"The discrepancies between these findings, which were obtained using only a few individuals (1-8), may be explained by the effects of chance or by differing attitudes among the subjects. For example, sexual activity may be perceived as stimulating (see above), but it can also mean physical exertion, and this can bring about changes in hormone levels"

LOL. discredited?? Pure speculations. This sorts of shenanigans are typicall for academia.

 

[zzzzz]

Said it before, I'll say it again....purvis' findings were later discredited by the community. NOM NOM moron.

even so, it likely refers to an immediate and short increase in plasma steroid levels, such as when during the midst of weight lifting T drops to that of a castrated man, but it is only seconds/a few minutes. Doesn't reall effect anything

 

[xRedStaRx]

I remember going six months of abstinence before jumping on finasteride. I was still losing a lot of ground.

This thread is completely and utterly stupid. Male pattern baldness is much more complex than ejaculation, stop hypothesizing with made up crap.

 

[dreamermerlin]

Male pattern baldness is much more complex than ejaculation, stop hypothesizing with made up crap.

I don't remember someone here saying that male pattern baldness=ejaculation. Only that it may be a connection.

 

[ktaaz]

Hey everyone, first post here, I wanted to chime in and give my take.
My hair has been thinning for about 2 years now (im 21) with diffuse thinning in the front and receding hairline and I have been using the "big 3" for about a year now or so. Like most young males in developed nations I watch p**rn and masturbate about once every 2-3 days. I think, from my experience, that ejaculation does have an effect on hairloss. Every time I ejaculate there is an obvious "boost" to the thinning process for me, and I can FEEL the scalp starting to itch far more, with sometimes even a slight pain in the hair follicles.
Basically I think that young men that are already very sensitive to DHT and 5ar will have a small to mild of an increase if they ejaculate constantly. Now it's obvious for me it's not a prime factor, ie taking propecia is far more helpful, but maybe just like smoking cigs has been said to increase the shedding, I think ejaculating, whether by masturbation or sexual intercourse, probably does somehow increases the DHT in the body and the scalp (?) which for men that are balding "prematurely" ie before 30-35 is bad news since their body is so sensitive to the inflammation process and maybe they sometimes have bigger amounts of dht to begin with (?) since they are balding so early. I have been trying to abstain from ejaculation for a 2 weeks now and like previous periods I can swear there is a bit less shedding and far less itching, maybe even slight regrowth in the temples. Now obviously without taking propecia or using minoxidil this will not be a deciding factor which is why I think men that rarely ejaculate still go bald. This is all just speculation from my own experience, but I don't really have a lot to lose to not keep trying to avoid it, and abstaining also gives some much needed self control over your body, so i'm gonna keep trying. I'm obviously not an expert in bio-chemistry and the effects of hormones on the body, but it's just my two cents. It's definitely hard to completely abstain from ejaculation for long periods so even if ejaculation will be found to have an effect on hair-loss i'm not sure how many men will go monk style instead of just shaving their head.

 

[xRedStaRx]

I don't remember someone here saying that male pattern baldness=ejaculation. Only that it may be a connection.

:crazy: