An open letter to Uncomfortable man

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DoctorHouse said:
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I think theres more NW1-2's on this site than there are any other level
Yes barca, you made a good observation but almost 100% of them are NW1-2's WITH BDD. For example, cases like our paranoid poster boy Alex aka Kerzyguy, the NW1 is afraid to become a NW2 and the NW2 is afraid to become a NW3. Its all part of the BDD. Its the fear of how much more rejection you convince yourself you will experience as you slip down the Norwood scale at the same time. Barca, its all about fear. Some can deal better with rejection than others. You seem like the type that can deal with it easily but people with BDD think rejection is a "death sentence". Have you ever been in situation when you feel popular and irresistible to women? Its a pretty nice "high". With these NW1-NW2s, they fear they will never achieve that because they are brainwashed into believing that the NW1 gets the most attention. If you don't have a NW1, you are on your way to a life full of rejection when you are competing with any NW1. So maybe now you might understand why we have so many on here. Its pure paranoia of people thinking they are basically losing their "looks". Its it normal? Heck no. Be glad you don't have this problem if you don't. Its a mental sickness that I am very ashamed I have. However unlike most of these people I am glad it manifested its peak only in the past few years where before my life was somewhat "normal" and I was able to educate myself enough to make a successful living. Alot of the young ones on here may never get that chance if they let their BDD control them.

Good post.

What does it take to overcome it? Is BDD a product of our current enviornment or did people in history suffer from it too?

I gotta admit i probably have a case of BDD myself, but i also have a few other issues that prevent me from taking action against it.
 

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What does it take to overcome it? Is BDD a product of our current enviornment or did people in history suffer from it too?

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definitely both factors...clearly vanity is a part of our human nature, and wealthy people have always been concerned with "looking good" and displaying their superiority...but from a simple physical appearance standpoint...the mass media has definitely exploited the need to look good in areas that we have a hard time controlling because quite simply...it works to generate money. Convince people they have a problem with their outer appearance and that the only solution lies in fixing it....

By putting these amazing looking people in Hollywood films who have the best makeup personal trainers, etc. to make them look even better, it gives the insecure everyday people an impossibly high standard to acheive...one that requires a great deal of money to even come close (by investing in products, surgeries, etc.).
 

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qball01 said:
What does it take to overcome it? Is BDD a product of our current enviornment or did people in history suffer from it too?



definitely both factors...clearly vanity is a part of our human nature, and wealthy people have always been concerned with "looking good" and displaying their superiority...but from a simple physical appearance standpoint...the mass media has definitely exploited the need to look good in areas that we have a hard time controlling because quite simply...it works to generate money. Convince people they have a problem with their outer appearance and that the only solution lies in fixing it....

By putting these amazing looking people in Hollywood films who have the best makeup personal trainers, etc. to make them look even better, it gives the insecure everyday people an impossibly high standard to acheive...one that requires a great deal of money to even come close (by investing in products, surgeries, etc.).

I guess Capitalism is to blame. I agree with you on all points, and from a business prespective it's f*****g perfect and will always be a moneymaker
 

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BDD is a byproduct of our current culture like the media, movies, television. We have been brainwashed into believing you have to look perfect to "score" in life. The better looking people get better jobs than the ugly ones. The better looking guy gets the hottest girls and vice versa. The best looking people get to be on TV, movies or modeling. Another words, its the golden ticket to life. However, we truly know this is "fairy tale" thinking because average looking people or below average looking people achieve the same status as those we would call the elite perfect looking people. The person with BDD usually never overcomes his problem but he can learn to control it and not it control him. Michael Jackson even at age 50, still battled with BDD and it pretty much killed him.
 

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It is odd how male pattern baldness is considered a unatractive physical attribute by society, because most undesirable physical traits are undesirable or unatractive because they pose some sort of health risk, or disantvantage, Examples of this are obesity or poor physical fitness. male pattern baldness poses no disantvantage from a physical standpoint however, it is considered an unidealized attribute, we do live in a society, that embraces idealized images, or universals of what is considered attractive.This is a shame, but it's simply a reality, and it is nothing new, the ancient greeks and Romans had the same idealized forms of beauty that we have today, just look at ancient greek/roman statues and you can see this, it will most likely never change.

I think it may be the idea of losing something you once had a lot it....some people will associate that with a negative stigma. Also...I think the look of a partially bald head is considered unsightly and unnatractive by many...it just doesn't look "right" to see hair growing fully around some places and not growing at all around others....thats why the fully bald head has given a lot of positives to baldness I think...sure some people still don't like "bald" regardless of how it looks...but its clear that head shaving nowadays is much preferable to the balding look...not only is it a "statement about acceptance" and all that jazz...but aesthetically I think it just looks a lot cooler....I mean to me at least, the difference between the two below pictures is a big one. All I'm saying is that regardless of how much baldness sucks...we should be thankful we live in a time where its accepted, and we don't have to be young guys walking around with "grandpa" hair...

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I think the hardest part is that we're so stubborn we can't accept that we have to make the most out of what we have, when we could always have more
 

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Mind you, I can imagine that these days there's one area of the male anatomy that would'nt be seen to measure up. :whistle:
 

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finfighter said:
All norwood ones, its funny isn't it.

Whats the difference between a NW0 and a NW1?

And the reason why balding is considered unattractive is due to a lack of symmetry. As QBall said, shaving your head may correct this.
 

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Saf wanted to see some big co ck statues :gay:

Actually I was talking about 15" biceps. Come on you were all thinking that. :mrgreen:
 

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why does everyone seem so focused on uman. hes a normal bloke living through hair loss. ppl on here make out like hes abnormal. jeez....

yeah hes a nw5 but he rocks it better than most and if he has problems with it big deal. ppl have issues with having a dam spot on their face. i havent been on here in a while and when i come back the same sh*t being said. If nw2's taking it bad, uman has every right to feel victimised against.

Im off meds for a while now.. what may be will be...
 

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This read and the OP is really being condescending. To single out UMan in this way is really not cool. And you look at his proflile and blogs and the guy might be missing 2 whole hairs yet he is on a hairloss site. I have said it before and will keep saying it, until you lose all of your hair, you can't relate. I'm sorry but you lose what you look like. Some people take it well and some people carry the look well but some just don't. You go from being goodlooking or even ok-looking to someone who just looks out of place. That's a very harsh truth. Yeah you have to deal with it but at the same time, I don't think most guys ever just get over it completely. Of course other factors, like where you are in life when the hairloss happens have an effect on it.

But I can't speak for UCman (I haven't checked if he replied yet but will after this post) but I have t I have to say that as a fellow bald guys and in this case even moreso than UCMan, there is nothing like being "talked down to" by someone who isn't going through this. And losing your hairline, while it isn't fun, is not even in the same league. It's like comparing having a bad cold to having a real disease.
 

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The other part of this is that I find it' easy to sit there and look at other people's problems and tell them what they should be doing when it's not happening to you.
 

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HP, Cassin locked this thread because he felt the same thing. However, UM wanted it unlocked to allow Oknow and other posters to chime in. If he did not want this posting to go on he would have told Cassin. You also have to understand UM has two issues, BDD and hair loss. Some people here can relate to his BDD and not his hair loss. My BDD does not center on my hair. I agree with you on the other threads that are not about UM. People seem to drag either you or UM into the conversation as the poster boys for misery due to hair loss. I don't think that is really appropriate but you guys have "set the example" yourselves. People tend to center you two out because you both seem to be the most miserable and depressed about your situation. Plus, UM is always telling about his everyday encounters with people who treat him negatively due to his baldness. I think that encourages some of the posters on here to center UM out alot. He "draws attention" to his posts. And some people believe the same with you. Trust me, most of the people deep down inside understand that your situation and UM's situation must be devastating even if they are still a NW1-4. Most of them live in FEAR of having to experience what you and UM experience every day of your lives. Its their FEAR that drives them to this forum. And when they read posts from you and UM, that FEAR becomes total paranoia.
 

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Hey Kaleb, hope your doing good. You need to understand if most of the guys on here looked like you, they probably would not have any reason to ever come here. But since they don't, no matter how many times you "pop" back in here the postings will all seem like television reruns. Life is a circle and it will always keep repeating itself. Even if everyone on here got a full thick NW1 for Christmas, they would still complain not getting something else. However, if most of them looked like a fitness model, maybe they would be pretty content most of the time. So you need to understand how lucky you are.
 

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DoctorHouse said:
HP, Cassin locked this thread because he felt the same thing. However, UM wanted it unlocked to allow Oknow and other posters to chime in. If he did not want this posting to go on he would have told Cassin. You also have to understand UM has two issues, BDD and hair loss. Some people here can relate to his BDD and not his hair loss. My BDD does not center on my hair. I agree with you on the other threads that are not about UM. People seem to drag either you or UM into the conversation as the poster boys for misery due to hair loss. I don't think that is really appropriate but you guys have "set the example" yourselves. People tend to center you two out because you both seem to be the most miserable and depressed about your situation. Plus, UM is always telling about his everyday encounters with people who treat him negatively due to his baldness. I think that encourages some of the posters on here to center UM out alot. He "draws attention" to his posts. And some people believe the same with you. Trust me, most of the people deep down inside understand that your situation and UM's situation must be devastating even if they are still a NW1-4. Most of them live in FEAR of having to experience what you and UM experience every day of your lives. Its their FEAR that drives them to this forum. And when they read posts from you and UM, that FEAR becomes total paranoia.

I don't think it has to do with UCMan saying it was ok. I think it has to do with people who are not in our situation trying to tell us what we "should be doing". Because honestly, if you follow the logic here, if they are THIS devasted by being a NW2, then honestly I think they would shoot themselved being a NW5 and above. I mean a NW5 to ME would be a step up than where I am. That is when you know it's bad. It's no longer called hairloss when you have no hair left.

What pisses me off is there is nothing you can do. I can't take a pill, and am beyond a hair transplant (for anything reasonable, not to mention the money it would cost). If you look ok, then that's good. If you look like complete ***, people expect you to "portray confidence". Some people can't be fake. They feel ugly or hideous, well then that is how they feel. It always ticks me off when I hear people say things like that. You feel what you feel. I don't go around and tell a person who has just been mutilated on their face to just get over it do I? Eventually with work, they have to adjust to what they have but they will NEVER feel like everyone else. There will always be that thing. It's similar to being one of the few bald white dudes around my age range. I see guys with hairloss and that is different.
 

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HatPrisoner91 said:
DoctorHouse said:
HP, Cassin locked this thread because he felt the same thing. However, UM wanted it unlocked to allow Oknow and other posters to chime in. If he did not want this posting to go on he would have told Cassin. You also have to understand UM has two issues, BDD and hair loss. Some people here can relate to his BDD and not his hair loss. My BDD does not center on my hair. I agree with you on the other threads that are not about UM. People seem to drag either you or UM into the conversation as the poster boys for misery due to hair loss. I don't think that is really appropriate but you guys have "set the example" yourselves. People tend to center you two out because you both seem to be the most miserable and depressed about your situation. Plus, UM is always telling about his everyday encounters with people who treat him negatively due to his baldness. I think that encourages some of the posters on here to center UM out alot. He "draws attention" to his posts. And some people believe the same with you. Trust me, most of the people deep down inside understand that your situation and UM's situation must be devastating even if they are still a NW1-4. Most of them live in FEAR of having to experience what you and UM experience every day of your lives. Its their FEAR that drives them to this forum. And when they read posts from you and UM, that FEAR becomes total paranoia.

I don't think it has to do with UCMan saying it was ok. I think it has to do with people who are not in our situation trying to tell us what we "should be doing". Because honestly, if you follow the logic here, if they are THIS devasted by being a NW2, then honestly I think they would shoot themselved being a NW5 and above. I mean a NW5 to ME would be a step up than where I am. That is when you know it's bad. It's no longer called hairloss when you have no hair left.

What pisses me off is there is nothing you can do. I can't take a pill, and am beyond a hair transplant (for anything reasonable, not to mention the money it would cost). If you look ok, then that's good. If you look like complete ***, people expect you to "portray confidence". Some people can't be fake. They feel ugly or hideous, well then that is how they feel. It always ticks me off when I hear people say things like that. You feel what you feel. I don't go around and tell a person who has just been mutilated on their face to just get over it do I? Eventually with work, they have to adjust to what they have but they will NEVER feel like everyone else. There will always be that thing. It's similar to being one of the few bald white dudes around my age range. I see guys with hairloss and that is different.

One thing I have noticed about this forum is the avaters, man they are funky.

Right, being one of the guys you refer to. Yes I can style my hair to cover my recession (as you can see my blog), yes I have probably 1 or 2 strands of hair missing. Needless to say I do have hairloss, as my hairline is not straight, its a V. Concerned by this, this is why I have taken the time to educate myself about hairloss. This may or may not get worse, and that is a sh*t thought. Saying that I am not devestated by it, as its a relatively nice hairline still, at worse I am just paranoid over it. But it does not devestate me as I know it could be A LOT worse. Besides who knows, 10 years from now I could be a NW5. If anything talking to you, Dudemon and UCMan has eased my woes on my own hairloss, as I am grateful that I have a good set of hair.

Anyway without babbering on about that as it is irrelevent, Doctor House pretty much summed it up. UCMan has drawn attention to himself because I have NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER ever seen somebody so badly affected by BDD as him. I have BDD, but I still try to live a normal life despite it, I still try it on with girls who may or may not find me attractive, I still have career aspirations and so on.

Hairloss is bad, but it is acceptable. Go outside, there are a lot of guys losing hair, and they shave it off or if it is not that bad style it in a way that makes it look fashionable.

Now imagine if say you had a condition where your teeth do not touch, your bottom jaw is crooked, your speech is affected (due to your bite not touching), how would you deal with that at a young age when all your mates dont have this problem? A good smile imo is MUCH more important then hair, can you imagine how awkward the situation can be when a girl says to you "hey smile with your teeth for this photo" (when in your head you are like, "I physically cant do this"). And as you are communicating with a girl verbly obviously having a good bite is equally important due to phonetical reasons. Not to mention because your jaw is essentially out of place, your facial symmetry is disrupted, making you look less attractive then you ought to be.

But you know what, I still try out there, I get on with my life. I talk to girls, I get laid, I don't give up, this is why I don't get UCman. Not to downplay significant hairloss, but as it is SO common many people (girls) wouldn't care as they know its one of those things that happens to guys. It's all about attitude, women, if anything are driven by how well you emotionally connect with them then the way you look. They want a guy that is not only confident, by that popular, can hold his own ground etc, but has a sensitive, charming and intelligent side. They want a man, not an insecure boy.
 

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Oknow said:
This is your gift Uncomfortable Man. Your baldness is only a curse if you see it that way, on the other hand it can also be seen as a blessing in disguise. You have the potential to be great, I don't think you know it. What you lack is believe in yourself.

:jackit:

Not a gift, and not just in his head. Best thing to say is, "there is more to life than sex", or "other people have it worse", but still does not change the fact that he wishes he had hair and thus women.
 

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Hairloss is bad, but it is acceptable.

To them it's not acceptable and you cannot comment on it until you're as bald as they are. That's the fairest way i can put it.
 

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Acceptable or not its reality. So no matter what they need to try to find the positives and deal with it. Orelse as you can see it will bring a man down.
 

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But you know what, I still try out there, I get on with my life. I talk to girls, I get laid, I don't give up, this is why I don't get UCman. Not to downplay significant hairloss, but as it is SO common many people (girls) wouldn't care as they know its one of those things that happens to guys. It's all about attitude, women, if anything are driven by how well you emotionally connect with them then the way you look. They want a guy that is not only confident, by that popular, can hold his own ground etc, but has a sensitive, charming and intelligent side. They want a man, not an insecure boy.

And so did I when I had more hairloss that you, what's the point. You can't use what you are doing, when you are missing 1 or 2 stranss of hair. Sorry, but it just does not computer. It would be like I have a small scar on my shin saying "hey man, i get out there, so should you". Meanwhile you face was burned completely and you are missing your nose. Yeah sure, I can relate to that. Ok there!

And no it's not NORMAL to see bald guys our age. I might see 1 or 2 in a day. By bald I mean a NW5-NW7. I also mean white guys as well (black guys shave their heads all the time as that is a look that works with them). I don't mean guys who are 60 years old. And I Certainly don't mean guys with bald spots. That sucks but it's not the same as being completely bald.

It's funny how you talk about insecure "boy" and you are on a hairloss website when you have like no hairloss. Do you know how much hair I lost before I came on these things? Cmon man.

Here's a good idea. Why don't you just keep researching and educating yourself rather than trying to cop a holier than thou attitude on a poster here who is suffering through something that you have absolutely NO IDEA about.
 
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