Balding is a death sentence for online dating

[jd_uk]

I have a group of friends that have hair but otherwise are less attractive than me. They absolutely mog me to death in online dating, but in offline events i seem to be getting more attention than them.
If you are norwooded don’t do online dating. Hatfish if you have no other choice.

the proper way to hatfish is to only have 1 photo. If you have 3-5 fotos and u wear a hat in all of them it’s over too.

social circle maxx after rona and run masc/statham/idgaf game. Optimize ur t levels for confidence. It ONLY works offline

Why do you think this is? Th discrepancy between how you do online and real life compared to your non balding friends?

 

[vondoom]

Why do you think this is? Th discrepancy between how you do online and real life compared to your non balding friends?

i just wonder how he thinks he is more attractive than them except hair but still they “mog him to death”...
seems like he is the only one who thinks he is more attractive... or maybe the usual side effect from entering a gym...

 

[trialAcc]

How exactly does a bald guy 'go out and meet people the normal way'? If you say hello to somebody with romantic intentions, within 30 seconds they will give you "I have to go". And, when or where do you go? I'm basing that on my experiences in bars and shopping mall areas.

Also I'm not disagreeing with the idea that a bald guy has no chance online dating. What I am saying is that a bald guy has no chance in any system of dating.

Bro this is some pure defeatist loser mentality sh*t.

I don't know what to tell you, you just do it. If you're brining this level of confidence into the situation, then you're going to have a rough go. I've watched a buddy of mine who shaved it NW4/5 at 22 pick up girls in bars since he was 20 and visibly balding and into his mid 20s when fully bald. We're 28 now and he met his now fiancé as the only 25 year old bald dude at a party, and he's not an overly attractive bald guy, he's just confident and funny. Other guys I know less well from highschool/uni are now bald and almost all of them are dating like normal people.

Stop shitting on yourself and scapegoating for reasons why you can't meet a partner. If the pickup game at bars or malls isn't for you, then join sporting leagues or hobby groups where you can meet people in a less forced environment. The pickup game is for guys who are either naturally good looking or overly charismatic and charming. If that isn't you, then hair is irrelevant.

 

[trialAcc]

Why do you think this is? Th discrepancy between how you do online and real life compared to your non balding friends?

It's because online dating is about snap decisions on attractiveness and photo quality, and nothing to do with personality. People who do well on dating apps have a feature or two that instantly pop out as "attractive", whether that be perfect hair, perfect body, perfect face, visible wealth, etc. That's why 10% of males get 90% of all the likes on Tinder. Bald guys still can get matches on dating sites, but you need one of the other criteria mentioned just the same as a guy with average hair would.

In real life, you don't need perfect qualities to have a connection with someone, you can build that connection through your personality rather then in a 5 second impression of your first picture.

 

[czecha]

It's because online dating is about snap decisions on attractiveness and photo quality, and nothing to do with personality. People who do well on dating apps have a feature or two that instantly pop out as "attractive", whether that be perfect hair, perfect body, perfect face, visible wealth, etc. That's why 10% of males get 90% of all the likes on Tinder. Bald guys still can get matches on dating sites, but you need one of the other criteria mentioned just the same as a guy with average hair would.

In real life, you don't need perfect qualities to have a connection with someone, you can build that connection through your personality rather then in a 5 second impression of your first picture.

I actually don’t think my irl success has a lot to do with personality I’m afraid to say, or even confidence. I had it when I was still very insecure about going out shaven (still am to some extent but got a lot better, no bdd anymore at least).
I suppose I convey more masculinity than them through having more androgenic facial features, bit more height (I’m not tall though), pretty good frame but not gymcell look, deep voice. I also thought when I shaved my head that it was over with girls under 25 but that was wrong too.
Actually the guy with the best hair in the group nw0 thick dark hair does by far the worst with women despite comparable height and face to the others. He is the lowest T and recently told me he is on finasteride. There is something very asexual about him despite being probably the most attractive from us facially.
I do wonder if women pick up on a males androgen level somehow. Maybe pheromones. No idea. But yeah fix that sh*t and go out to see if it does something for you. It will make you low inhib too.
However, online it’s pretty over ngl. I do get a lot of matches hatfishing, but barely any dates. I think thats partly the lack of hair and women realizing it might not be there, and partly them getting scared of a masc guy they haven’t met yet. I think more feminine guys have a better conversion here.
I think online dating is really psychologically destructive. Baldness is indeed a death sentence for online dating. For irl its just another penalty like manletism, framecel, ugly face, small dick and so on.
Online = aesthetics
Irl = aesthetics, size, confidence, masc, personality...

the bar to dominating irl situations in a masculine sense is also super low nowadays, so go figure

 

[trialAcc]

I actually don’t think my irl success has a lot to do with personality I’m afraid to say, or even confidence. I had it when I was still very insecure about going out shaven (still am to some extent but got a lot better, no bdd anymore at least).
I suppose I convey more masculinity than them through having more androgenic facial features, bit more height (I’m not tall though), pretty good frame but not gymcell look, deep voice. I also thought when I shaved my head that it was over with girls under 25 but that was wrong too.
Actually the guy with the best hair in the group nw0 thick dark hair does by far the worst with women despite comparable height and face to the others. He is the lowest T and recently told me he is on finasteride. There is something very asexual about him despite being probably the most attractive from us facially.
I do wonder if women pick up on a males androgen level somehow. Maybe pheromones. No idea. But yeah fix that sh*t and go out to see if it does something for you. It will make you low inhib too.
However, online it’s pretty over ngl. I do get a lot of matches hatfishing, but barely any dates. I think thats partly the lack of hair and women realizing it might not be there, and partly them getting scared of a masc guy they haven’t met yet. I think more feminine guys have a better conversion here.
I think online dating is really psychologically destructive. Baldness is indeed a death sentence for online dating. For irl its just another penalty like manletism, framecel, ugly face, small dick and so on.
Online = aesthetics
Irl = aesthetics, size, confidence, masc, personality...

I agree, even for guys with nice hair who are like 6/7s or less, online dating is not a great experience once you are in your 20s. If you're an 8+ you clean up though. Baldness isn't a death sentence for online, but you gotta have an 8+ face or body and perfect pictures.

 

[DoctorHouse]

When I was online dating sites I got hit on mostly by older women. Do you guys get the same thing happen?

 

[czecha]

I shaved my head at like Norwood 3.5 and to add to that, between like Norwood 2.75 and Norwood 3.5 I was definitely doing worse IRL than with a shaven head, but better online with some angle frauding, caps etc
If you date irl shave/buzz your head if u go above nw3
Grown out nw3+ = beta

 

[czecha]

I agree, even for guys with nice hair who are like 6/7s or less, online dating is not a great experience once you are in your 20s. If you're an 8+ you clean up though. Baldness isn't a death sentence for online, but you gotta have an 8+ face or body and perfect pictures.

I’m bald and am 8+ face and I don’t clean up at all. I also have good pics. I guess you could say i clean up match number wise, but getting a date is very difficult
Would prob be different if i wanted to date girls late 20s and beyond though
Dating young girls online you really have to have hair or be 10\10 with giga nt pics

 

[czecha]

I also have a bald ugly manlet friend who has a pretty cute gf, she’s like 5.5/10, slim, early twenties. He just got her through social circle maxxing and being nt
Having a social circle is honestly everything if you are not at least a chadlite

 

[trialAcc]

I’m bald and am 8+ face and I don’t clean up at all. I also have good pics. I guess you could say i clean up match number wise, but getting a date is very difficult
Would prob be different if i wanted to date girls late 20s and beyond though
Dating young girls online you really have to have hair or be 10\10 with giga nt pics

When I shaved my head last summer for the first time ever (NW2) I put some pictures up on tinder for a day to see what would happen. I got a few matches in a few days, all age 27-29. When I have my hair grown out I'd get matches from 23-29 (my entire range).

Definitely less matches with the shave and visible temple loss, but still some. If most guys are having problems with dating with a shaved head and still have some hair on top, the SMP (professionally done top tier, no garbage tattoos) route to give you a faded hairline will probably move mountains for you. That's the most significant thing that will be change your appearance with a shaven head.

 

[czecha]

It's because online dating is about snap decisions on attractiveness and photo quality, and nothing to do with personality. People who do well on dating apps have a feature or two that instantly pop out as "attractive", whether that be perfect hair, perfect body, perfect face, visible wealth, etc. That's why 10% of males get 90% of all the likes on Tinder. Bald guys still can get matches on dating sites, but you need one of the other criteria mentioned just the same as a guy with average hair would.

In real life, you don't need perfect qualities to have a connection with someone, you can build that connection through your personality rather then in a 5 second impression of your first picture.

Thats wrong tbh, males who do well in online dating have no failo. They are at lesst average in everything and above average in other things
Have no failo is no 1 rule
Some failos can be frauded online, like height
If you look frail, your out
If you are norwooded, out
Prey eyes? Out

aesthetics = societal averageness but a bit better basically
Think ryan gosling but slightly uglier. Zero halos necessary

 

[czecha]

When I shaved my head last summer for the first time ever (NW2) I put some pictures up on tinder for a day to see what would happen. I got a few matches in a few days, all age 27-29. When I have my hair grown out I'd get matches from 23-29 (my entire range).

Definitely less matches with the shave and visible temple loss, but still some. If most guys are having problems with dating with a shaved head and still have some hair on top, the SMP (professionally done top tier, no garbage tattoos) route to give you a faded hairline will probably move mountains for you. That's the most significant thing that will be change your appearance with a shaven head.

You are nw2 lol, im Norwood 5. shaving is not buzzing

 

[trialAcc]

You are nw2 lol, im Norwood 5. shaving is not buzzing

Still took it down to a 0. I never said I was bald, but I'd never shaved my head before and I was worried about how I would look.

 

[czecha]

Still took it down to a 0. I never said I was bald.

Just saying at nw2 you can’t speak for baldcels at all

 

[czecha]

Nw2 doesnt even register as male pattern baldness or a failo. It starts between 2.5 and 3

 

[trialAcc]

Just saying at nw2 you can’t speak for baldcels at all

I have bald friends. One of my best friends who went bald earliest (shaved NW5 at 22) has done just fine with girls in the last 5-7 years while visibly losing hair or fully bald. I've gone out with him 100 times and seen how it is, watched him meet girls in bars and parties, etc. Just because I'm not all the way gone doesn't mean I don't understand how it is.

I don't really use dating apps anyways, that shits lame as f***.

 

[Notdifferent]

This might be the first discussion on here I read recently that has some color and doesn't feel just like /r/bald except the opposite like most sh*t on this forum

 

[czecha]

I have bald friends. One of my best friends who went bald earliest (shaved NW5 at 22) has done just fine with girls in the last 5-7 years while visibly losing hair or fully bald. I've gone out with him 100 times and seen how it is, watched him meet girls in bars and parties, etc. Just because I'm not all the way gone doesn't mean I don't understand how it is.

Yup
I’m starting to believe androgens are everything (which also convey to confidence) for irl
I personally know of 4 friends who take finasteride and kept their hair with it. While 2 of them look like sh*t now despite it, 2 don’t. One is a nw1 chadlite and the other one a nw1 high tier normie. Both are nt. And none of them „slay“ or even do average
To be the full package you need nw1 genes though

 

[jd_uk]

I actually don’t think my irl success has a lot to do with personality I’m afraid to say, or even confidence. I had it when I was still very insecure about going out shaven (still am to some extent but got a lot better, no bdd anymore at least).
I suppose I convey more masculinity than them through having more androgenic facial features, bit more height (I’m not tall though), pretty good frame but not gymcell look, deep voice. I also thought when I shaved my head that it was over with girls under 25 but that was wrong too.
Actually the guy with the best hair in the group nw0 thick dark hair does by far the worst with women despite comparable height and face to the others. He is the lowest T and recently told me he is on finasteride. There is something very asexual about him despite being probably the most attractive from us facially.
I do wonder if women pick up on a males androgen level somehow. Maybe pheromones. No idea. But yeah fix that sh*t and go out to see if it does something for you. It will make you low inhib too.
However, online it’s pretty over ngl. I do get a lot of matches hatfishing, but barely any dates. I think thats partly the lack of hair and women realizing it might not be there, and partly them getting scared of a masc guy they haven’t met yet. I think more feminine guys have a better conversion here.
I think online dating is really psychologically destructive. Baldness is indeed a death sentence for online dating. For irl its just another penalty like manletism, framecel, ugly face, small dick and so on.
Online = aesthetics
Irl = aesthetics, size, confidence, masc, personality...

the bar to dominating irl situations in a masculine sense is also super low nowadays, so go figure

Makes sense. Similar experiences when out and about. Assuming you're in the Czech Republic?