Disfigured Man Discovers Looks-matching: Big Think

[Roberto_72]

As I've said before

Imagine a line:

Would f***
______________

Would Not f***

Personality can knock you beneath the line, but it'll never put you above it.

TBH I think a strong personality can allow you to actually go ABOVE the line. And money. See Mick Jagger.
But the funny fact is: a strong personality is maybe even more DNA- and education- related than looks.
If one thinks that personality will save him/her from looking bad, they are fucked, because an interesting personality is even less frequent than an interesting body...

 

[Dante92]

TBH I think a strong personality can allow you to actually go ABOVE the line. And money. See Mick Jagger.
But the funny fact is: a strong personality is maybe even more DNA- and education- related than looks.
If one thinks that personality will save him/her from looking bad, they are fucked, because an interesting personality is even less frequent than an interesting body...

I've met hundreds of ugly guys with above average intelligence and great, compelling personalities. Guess what? Girls and women didn't give a sh*t, didn't even listen at them and simply mocked and rejected them for their appearance. As they always do.

 

[Saurabhaj]

Precisely.

Looks > Personality > Confidence (LOL)

In India Looks=Personality.

 

[Rudiger]

As I've said before

Imagine a line:

Would f***
______________

Would Not f***

Personality can knock you beneath the line, but it'll never put you above it.

Women end up f*****g every guy that they "would f***" who isn't a retard to talk to? The numbers aren't quite adding up. Women would be banging like 100 guys in their life, not 5-15.

Looks only get a foot in the door, depending on how high above your "target" you are and if you are particularly attractive to her taste, can get you a long way but rarely fully there. Over 90% of women aren't banging unless you show you have more than looks.

"It's 100% looks" is an inverted cope to "it's 100% personality", the former is believing "it's not my fault, I look a certain way and can't say anything to get me laid" (if you're average or above, total cope). The latter is "it doesn't matter what I look like, I'll get a loyal pretty nice girl as an NW6." I don't know which is more ridiculous.

So yeah this topic is still obvious, of course 8s and 9s are ending up with other 8s and 9s.... Who are also compatible as people. You'll inevitably get some brain-dead people in the world who have no conversational skills, no real interests, and will like eachother and f*** regardless, probably won't even run into as many issues as a more complexed couple, but these low-IQ relationships are not the norm.

People usually need a bit more than that, if you aren't comfortable expressing yourself to a partner or listening to them for hours daily, doesn't matter how much you like screwing them.

Women realise this early from seeking out who they "would f***" and who they wouldn't, there's a lot more "possibly f***" which is a guy suitably attractive, but is his personality just going to mean this is a huge waste of time?

If it was down to simply physical "would fucks" an average girl would be banging a different 7+ guy who can basically hold conversation every single weekend.

 

[Medina]

So another point we can take away from this:

Only couples where both parties are good-looking can truly be satisfied about their choice.

That is, until they become older and looks begin to fade, then they'll discover what most of us had to deal with from the start.

It would be interesting to see if there is a higher rate of divorce among good-looking couples in their 50's.

It doesn't matter. One of them will leave the marriage eventually. Most likely the woman.

This is why it's so important to keep our hair/looks for as long as possible. We will need them. Even into middle age.

If divorce rates are bad now then just imagine the world when we are 50.

 

[Dante92]

It doesn't matter. One of them will leave the marriage eventually. Most likely the woman.

This is why it's so important to keep our hair/looks for as long as possible. We will need them. Even into middle age.

If divorce rates are bad now then just imagine the world when we are 50.

Luckily we won't have to live that long if the world keeps getting worse at this rate.

 

[JohnsonDDG]

Men are terrible at rating other men's looks.

Hence the so-called abnormal pairing men think they see.

Frankly, I thought the actor who plays Peter Russo in House of Cards was average, even a bit ugly if I go with my gut feeling.

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Where is the masculine jaw? Where is the hair? Look at that nose? Look at him! To me, he looks like a bald Matt Smith.

But despite all this, the guy is represented as good-looking in the show, Frank refers to him as handsome, he's a womanizer. And then you have the women on these forums who say that he's and I quote "f*****g hot".

Mick Jagger is not ugly, objectively, you could say he is but you need to look beyond his features and imagine how women would feel about him.

The guy has insane charisma, he's a f*****g rock icon and it's not only his musical talent that has put him there.

I can't believe I'm starting to agree with @hairblues , it's hard to evaluate men's looks when you don't have a pussy.

As I always say: let the women (and the gay men) decide, let them do the rating.

That actors called Corey Stoll.

Check out how the wig transforms him:

Its almost unbelievable its the same guy!

 

[Rudiger]

Logistics, availability (huge factor), time of the month, mood, personal standards and principles.

If you remove all these hurdles, and you're at the right place at the right time with a woman that fancies, it is going to happen.

Now the stars don't align that easily. Imagine you're horny for her, she's horny for you but no way you'll get a place to have sex, or no way one of you is going to leave their friends, or she's still on her period, or she has a boyfriend working abroad and she isn't sure, she wants to remain faithful, or she just went through a break up.

Millions of reasons that a lay wouldn't take place.

But, when all the circumstances play in your favor, it is going to happen, and it's going to happen largely because of your looks, not because of your personality, or your confidence, or your amazing sense of humor.

Shoud I... yes: cope.

What you'll say if a woman eventually bangs you when initially didn't seem interested: "it was always happening anyway because she liked your looks".

If it doesn't happen now there's a hundred uncontrollable factors? But no doubt the outcome, you will find a way to twist it to Fredpill logic. The logic that only you, and guys with zero experience with women, actually buy into.

If she, like your logic implies, is making it happen, most of the time it doesn't matter if things get in the way. We get each others phone numbers, make plans, even if you don't get a number there's a dozen social media ways she can find you, it's very unlikely the lay isn't taking place if it's as simple as "would f***" and "wouldn't f***".

 

[Medina]

Luckily we won't have to live that long if the world keeps getting worse at this rate.

Yeah or move to Thailand at 50 and live like Kings until we die.

I used to think that was sad as f*** but now I totally get it

 

[Rudiger]

I smell PUA nonsense all over what you're saying, because it's giving personality, sense of humor, being interesting too much credit in that particular context.

You can't just write something so vague without anything to back it up. I've written many times that looks are hugely important, way more important than personality, I just wrote it again up above. 50% attraction?! Not even if nobody found out and she's desperate, now you're sounding more like a PUA cope artist with that kinda sh*t. Even jd_uk wouldn't say 50% can be made up with personality, luck, pretty much only rape can make that happen.

So *sigh* yet again Fred, looks will get you in the door, from there you need to engage. Of course if she's not interested in how you look you won't get past 2 words before you're shut down.

Even if she likes how you look, even a lot, depending on the girl it can be a long road.

Why? Because if she's in any way attractive, even 6/10, there's a ton of other guys she can bang, pretty much up to Chad level or a little below. And girls are not banging all around them like sluthate theory insists, that's just not reality.

So what's making the difference? Luck to an extent, you are right that things can fall into place. But here's the thing with those other factors you mentioned, can't find a room, can't leave her friend alone etc.

These are all things that can be potentially overcome, they are plausible excuses that become bigger if you choose to let them. I bet you've tried to understand how this works but tinder dating was just easier because the variables are all under control, the females on the meat market app, she knows what she wants physically and that's what she gets, end of story.

 

[Medina]

looks will get you in the door, from there you need to engage.

This 100%.

I mean she doesn't even know what you sound like yet. Girls get put off by lisps, high voice tones, ghetto speak etc etc etc

I've witnessed it with my own eyes. "I can't date him, he's hot but he sounds gay"

 

[Rudiger]

This 100%.

I mean she doesn't even know what you sound like yet. Girls get put off by lisps, high voice tones, ghetto speak etc etc etc

I've witnessed it with my own eyes. "I can't date him, he's hot but he sounds gay"

Indeed, and this isnt even something you can control really (though @CaptainForehead will hopefully learn to) but for example I have a North American (pretty much Canadian) accent, even as a young 16 year old looking good, Irish girls didn't understand why I had this weird voice. @SmoothSailing might be able to back me up on this but for Irish girls they are quite obsessed with your locale and background, if they don't understand it or where you're from, it's confusing to them. With some women it could set you back dramatically (this is less of a thing these days though I will admit).

Of course if they're highly attracted then this negative becomes a positive, from "Ew Canadian freak" to "he's Canadian or something isn't that cool?!".

But, if she's on the fence, somewhat attracted, somewhat untrustworthy of your voice, other factors can swing it.

 

[Medina]

My favorite bartender is a Chad and he's a great example of what we're talking about because even though he attracts hot women, he's absolutely useless with them. My own sister rejected him for the lisp and said he sounded gay etc (I was actually trying to hook them up) Another girl rejected him because he asked if he could kiss her during a date, instead of just doing it in the moment. It completely put her off.

It's like you say, looks get you through the door but if you fail to engage properly, it's all over.

 

[hairblues]

Indeed, and this isnt even something you can control really (though @CaptainForehead will hopefully learn to) but for example I have a North American (pretty much Canadian) accent, even as a young 16 year old looking good, Irish girls didn't understand why I had this weird voice. @SmoothSailing might be able to back me up on this but for Irish girls they are quite obsessed with your locale and background, if they don't understand it or where you're from, it's confusing to them. With some women it could set you back dramatically (this is less of a thing these days though I will admit).

Of course if they're highly attracted then this negative becomes a positive, from "Ew Canadian freak" to "he's Canadian or something isn't that cool?!".

But, if she's on the fence, somewhat attracted, somewhat untrustworthy of your voice, other factors can swing it.

In NYC people date by neighborhoods this is actually a huge thing. It's a criteria often for almost everyone. Male female hot or not.
Location location location.

 

[blackg]

So basically all of the studies this guy did (based on hot or not, mind you) reveal this incredible truth:

- hot people prefer hot people
- average people prefer hot people but learn to cope

Who would have ever thought of that!

And that's why there is so much anger and resentment in the world.
Because the majority of the human race is average.
Hence, the "quiet desperation" of the average man or woman often boils to the surface and produces many ugly, even violent, interactions amongst the citizenry.

 

[JohnsonDDG]

Yes, women are highly influenced by herd mentality and this is one of these obstacles.

And this one is pretty important, thank you for pointing it out.

To me, it plays a bigger role in women's so-called disgust of baldness than its aesthetic impact.

If a woman heard too many women around her say "eeew, bald! Disgusting! Old! Bald men are creep! They look like pedophiles, etc. etc."

There's a much, much greater chance that she'll turn down bald men only because of that herd mentality.

"What will my friends think of me if I date a bald man?" definitely goes through her mind.

The more bald shaming in a country (and the US are champions at this), the less chance you'll have with women, even if you're still decent-looking bald.

More change you'll get the "yeah he's cute, but, I mean, he's bald!"

That's why I found it hard to get past some of the men who said they'd rather be ginger than bald. I think in the UK we are so anti ginger when it comes to men that it becomes shocking when someone says they'd want that hair.

When I think about it objectively I guess ginger is better than bald in some ways, but my upbringing got in the way of what is objectively better in terms of aesthetics.

 

[Patrick_Bateman]

You guys are over analyzing the way females choose their partners. It's like rich people looking at modern art, you think you are able to see the "artists" feelings and life experiences trough an old shoe in the middle of a white room. In reality it's just an old shoe.

Imagine this scenario: A girl you're extremely attracted to sits next to you at a bar and says hello. The conversation isn't really flowing and she get's shy and turns red. But, she is obviously into you. Would you care about the fact that she is shy? Of course you wouldn't.

LOOKS
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[Rudiger]

I've done that plenty of time, and the reaction in the vast majority of cases was:

"Of course you can! " *she giggles and leans towards me*.

More PUA 101 content please! Where can I buy your $9,99 ebook prefaced by @Rudiger ?

Y'know what I think the truth is? Your hostility comes from a naive past of being one of the idiots who believed in PUA, only then to discover it's a scam.

I bet you put a lot of time and/or even money into it, and came out with nothing.

Now we have to listen to extreme views from someone who is useless at even basic chat with women, and can only do well when it's on a plate and everything is pre-determined - to me you've already practically admitted this.

 

[Dante92]

Yes, women are highly influenced by herd mentality and this is one of these obstacles.

And this one is pretty important, thank you for pointing it out.

To me, it plays a bigger role in women's so-called disgust of baldness than its aesthetic impact.

If a woman heard too many women around her say "eeew, bald! Disgusting! Old! Bald men are creep! They look like pedophiles, etc. etc."

There's a much, much greater chance that she'll turn down bald men only because of that herd mentality.

"What will my friends think of me if I date a bald man?" definitely goes through her mind.

The more bald shaming in a country (and the US are champions at this), the less chance you'll have with women, even if you're still decent-looking bald.

More change you'll get the "yeah he's cute, but, I mean, he's bald!"

They care about what friends/colleagues/strangers/people who don't even care about may think of them for dating a guy instead of another. What would they think? Reputation comes first.

 

[blackg]

I've done that plenty of time, and the reaction in the vast majority of cases was:

"Of course you can! " *she giggles and leans towards me*.

More PUA 101 content please! Where can I buy your $9,99 ebook prefaced by @Rudiger ?

Engage properly my ***, those girls were just looking for some entertainment for the night, happens more than you think, but they weren't initially attracted to the guy.

My theory still stands. Plenty of girls have admitted to me that they never had any intention of kissing me or f*****g me, they just wanted to blow some steam with a random guy from a dating website since they felt lonely.

You can tell when you try to kiss her or by feeling the general vibe, the sexual tension just isn't there. But of course guys like your gay-sounding friend probably can't even feel it.

If a girl doesn't want to, she never wanted to. You don't f*** up, you don't fail to live up to her standards, her pussy was just always dry for you, and you would have gained nothing by wooing her but an abrased c***.

There is no need to call out @Rudiger here.
Calling people out is childish.
Some of what @Rudiger says is, I believe, true.
Just as some of what you say is also true.

It's a case by case basis.