end of baldness.they figured it out all.

[peacemaker]

Telling me to google and searching is NOT giving me the link, lol. The claim was NEVER made. *YOU* made it... I wonder why? Will you be in denial if Histogen ever gets released and doesnt show regeneration?

I'll say it for the second time now: Provide us the link/source to where Dr. Ziering said Histogen's HSC will allow regeneration from donor area.

Yes, it was made. The reason that I asked you to Google it was because it was in another forum (****TruthTalk). If you had done that you would have understood it and we would not have had this discussion. It is the 2012 interview and I believe there is only one interview anyway. In the interview, J** from S***** Island asks if Histogen would be helpful in his case, where he has had a lot of FUE and he does not have anything left in his donor area. Dr. Ziering says that he thinks it will be possible because Histogen could be used complementary to the FUE procedure where patients have FUE and then take HSC to replenish their follicle supply.

So the claim was made.

I will be happy if you stop mindlessly attacking me. If you don't believe it was made. Don't believe it. LOL.

Also I will not be in denial if it doesn't come into fruition because I am simply stating what Dr. Ziering said in the interview. If they do not have donor regeneration, it will be their problem, not mine.

 

[peacemaker]

Physical threats now peacemaker? Well that's new.

I suggest you let it go hellhouser. Eventually, he's going to tell you he would smash your face if he saw you in real life.

Useless trolling post again. Everybody knows who you are dude:


You keep hiding behind your keyboard and make people hate you by doing such idiotic stuff. Now you are trying to frustrate me and hellouser by your childish attempts to portray me as a bully. I said to you what I said because if you were to do such things to me in real life, things would go down pretty quickly.

I am trying to help people here by doing my own research and posting my conclusions from both what I have read and what I have experimented with. You make them go crazy by dismissing everything they say w/o proof and trolling. If I have made statements that are wrong, I am sorry. But when I make claims, I can almost always back them up.

I am done with this forum for the day. Now I am going to do some productive stuff and stop dealing with forum freaks like you.

 

[maher]

I was catching up on this thread.. Anyway.. Fred, what was your useful input on this thread? I see nothing but provoking. It is impossible to browse thru this forum without reading your asspissing.

 

[karankaran]

here i am again with another question: what do u guys think is the realistic time frame for this technology to come to the market? 10 years or 15 years? i feel it is going to take a lot of time , considering clinical trials and fda approval.

 

[benjt]

Earlierst five years. How long it takes at most nobody can say because many things can go wrong. But for any treatment from research paper to market five years is the minimum. I'm rather curious about RepliCel, by the way, as they will release their Phase II results end of next week.

 

[karankaran]

Thank you benjit.

 

[Justeone]

Sweet ! Looking forward to seeing replicels phase2 results

 

[Sparky4444]

RepliCel for hairloss?? lmao! They're a joke...which phase 2 results are these?? the new and improved or massaged from the last time they released phase 2 results...

 

[benjt]

RepliCel for hairloss?? lmao! They're a joke...

You base this statement on what?

which phase 2 results are these?? the new and improved or massaged from the last time they released phase 2 results...

The last ones released were the intermediate results which were done pre-halfway through the study, the next ones to release are assessing the long-term development post treatment.

You're going to stalk me in every thread now, right? How about you reply to this question instead.

 

[DesperateOne]

Benjt, do you think that the fat loss on the scalp will make a difference in this procedure? I am talking about the one we lose when our scalp thins.

On another note I am curious that assuming this works, how would they plan to rebuild the hairline shape of the receding hairline guys? As a diffuse thinner, I actually have a really good hairline shape. I suppose it would look better for us diffuse thinner because we would just need to add the follicles in back of the hairline? Or is there some usual procedure that guys with bald temples will need to get, maybe an old photo of their hairline, IDK.

I have seen plenty that temples are black holes and nothing will ever grow back there no matter what.

 

[benjt]

Benjt, do you think that the fat loss on the scalp will make a difference in this procedure? I am talking about the one we lose when our scalp thins.

Likely not. Turns out that BAT loss is a consequence of miniaturization and not vice versa. Adipogenesis and subsequent angiogenesis are triggered by hair follicles entering the anagen phase. (Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10771470) See this great post by princessRambo for some more details.

On another note I am curious that assuming this works, how would they plan to rebuild the hairline shape of the receding hairline guys? As a diffuse thinner, I actually have a really good hairline shape. I suppose it would look better for us diffuse thinner because we would just need to add the follicles in back of the hairline? Or is there some usual procedure that guys with bald temples will need to get, maybe an old photo of their hairline, IDK.

Hairline rebuildung is the major problem and unfortunately, there is no data from the intermediate Phase II results supporting that RepliCel can rebuild the hairline. Whether it actually turns out to be able to do that we'll see some time within the next one or two weeks, once the post-treatment results are published. But unfortunately they probably don't manage to do that. Diffuse thinners are lucky here because the intermediate results showed a significant increase in mean hair density.
As far as I know, RepliCel aim for market availability in 2018/2019, so that's still a very long way to go. Whether it makes sense to place any hopes on RepliCel, we'll see rather soon.

 

[Sparky4444]

You base this statement on what?

The last ones released were the intermediate results which were done pre-halfway through the study, the next ones to release are assessing the long-term development post treatment.

You're going to stalk me in every thread now, right? How about you reply to this question instead.

I've been following and getting all the update emails from RepliCel after I put my name in for the trial...There is NOTHING so far that they have released that indicates this will be ANYTHING -- yet, for any cosmetically viable course for hair regrowth...

..stalking?? you're ego is out of control...

 

[benjt]

There is NOTHING so far that they have released that indicates this will be ANYTHING -- yet, for any cosmetically viable course for hair regrowth...

I'm just going to cite the intermediate results which were acquired 6 months into the study for one subject:

Increase in vellus hair density of 24.9%
Increase in terminal hair density of 14.5%
Total hair density increased by 19.2%
Cumulative thickness per area increased by 15.4%

The average value of density increase for all responders was 11.8%.

But I know that there's no point in arguing with you. Everybody judge for themselves whether 11.8% increase in hair density within 6 months is "NOTHING so far that they have released that indicates this will be ANYTHING".

 

[Sparky4444]

I'm just going to cite the intermediate results which were acquired 6 months into the study for one subject:

The average value of density increase for all responders was 11.8%.

But I know that there's no point in arguing with you. Everybody judge for themselves whether 11.8% increase in hair density within 6 months is "NOTHING so far that they have released that indicates this will be ANYTHING".

fair enough..but this won't be going to market for a minimum 5 years, if you believe what they're saying over at badtruth.com...for me 20% on my top and back would be a good place to start...but I am resigned that anything that will resemble me when I was 30 will be through PiloFocus for my front half...anything that can help top and back by non-hair transplant means is welcomed by me...but this won't be around for quite some time, unless there's something in Japan law that will make it otherwise..

 

[c_super2]

Why isn't the media reporting on this?

 

[hellouser]

Sweet ! Looking forward to seeing replicels phase2 results

You'll be waiting a while because they haven't even started Phase II trials, in one of their announcements they stated:

"RepliCel is planning to file a clinical trial application (CTA) with the Paul-Ehrlich-Institut, the German competent authority for human clinical trials in Germany, in the first half of 2014. The company is pleased to announce plans to work with one of the largest hospitals in Europe for this trial; the Charité-Universitätsmedizin in Berlin. RepliCel anticipates initiation of this trial early 2014."

So... everyone thats read the last couple of pages has been misled. If they started Phase II, we would have heard about it, as they should be commencing sometime between January and May of this year. Whatever, their progress is disgustingly slow, nothing to be pleased about considering everyones baldness isnt getting any better.... 5 years or 10 years, many of us will be completely SCREWED by then.

 

[Sparky4444]

You'll be waiting a while because they haven't even started Phase II trials, in one of their announcements they stated:



So... everyone thats read the last couple of pages has been misled. If they started Phase II, we would have heard about it, as they should be commencing sometime between January and May of this year. Whatever, their progress is disgustingly slow, nothing to be pleased about considering everyones baldness isnt getting any better.... 5 years or 10 years, many of us will be completely SCREWED by then.

yep..that's why I said this not even an starter IMHO...

 

[hellouser]

yep..that's why I said this not even an starter IMHO...

The other absolutely TERRIBLE news is that they plan on making this trial last THREE YEARS.

So by the time theyre done, it'll be 2017 (assuming they actually get off their *** and start Phase II trials this year). But, then theres the issue of if theyre going to release it as a product in Asian countries and how long it will take for them to do that...

Anyone still excited? I won't be for the next 3 years. Before they had plans to release the product by around 2015. What the hell did they do to screw up that projected timeline? I'd expect some answers from Replicel.

 

[Sparky4444]

The other absolutely TERRIBLE news is that they plan on making this trial last THREE YEARS.

So by the time theyre done, it'll be 2017 (assuming they actually get off their *** and start Phase II trials this year). But, then theres the issue of if theyre going to release it as a product in Asian countries and how long it will take for them to do that...

Anyone still excited? I won't be for the next 3 years. Before they had plans to release the product by around 2015. What the hell did they do to screw up that projected timeline? I'd expect some answers from Replicel.

simple answer -- the crap doesn't work and they know it...

 

[hellouser]

We have to honest with ourselfs that there will be no cure in the next 15-20 years. Maybe better hair transplants or treatments for stoping hair loss in a while, but real cure nope!

Maybe baldness it cant be cured.

If youre going to talk about honesty, you should refrain from claiming any projections. You have no idea what is going to happen in the next 15-20 years. Nobody has a clue of what's going to happen with new trials, how long they take, etc. If you're so certain theres nothing going to be a cure for so many years, why even bother being on any hair loss forum?

These are the facts;

- Follica is able to produce follicles at will through wounding along with certain growth factors
- Dr. Roland Lauster already created artificial skin with follicles that grew hair using stem cells
- The recent news of Jahoda's method along with China's recent discovery is the FINAL step in creating complete follicles at will with ALL of its properties (colour, thickness, etc).

Pretty much all of this has happened within the last 4 years.

Let all of this sink in.