Equol

[Jacob]

How is it proven? I don't see much on the website about that. Same with the strain and amount of probiotics used/needed.

There are plenty of high potency acidophilus products out there. Obviously powdered ones you can vary how much you take: http://www.customprobiotics.com/custom-probiotics-l-acidophilus.htm -Adult Scoop = 0.8 gram (120 billion cfu's)

http://www.iherb.com/Metagenics-Ultra-Flora-IB-30-Capsules-Ice/19447?at=0

Then there are the human strain ones..that I've mentioned to you before.

On taking plain ole equol..see my other posts in this thread on that. Even used topically.

 

[Jacob]

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWL008/ItemDetail

 

[Jacob]

http://www.iherb.com/Healthy-Origins-Probiotic-30-Billion-CFU-s-150-Vcaps/19519?at=0

http://www.jigsawhealth.com/supplements/probiotics

http://www.bioimmersion.com/betaglucan.htm

I think the Swanson's one is the best bang for the buck(or pound)..in capsule form at least.

Better yet..make your own human-strain-probiotic-containing yogurt: http://www.progurt.com/

 

[Hoppi]

hehe that's cool man, although it has to be said there is no massive advantage to them over Florajen, particularly if we only need LA anyway!

I'll read back over the thread about the effectiveness of directly taking equol

 

[Jacob]

hehe that's cool man, although it has to be said there is no massive advantage to them over Florajen, particularly if we only need LA anyway!

I'll read back over the thread about the effectiveness of directly taking equol

Oh really? How would you know? That's why I pointed out there's nothing on his site that shows any specific strain and amount is the way to go, and/or the best way to go. One could just as well say it's better to take a variety.

But there actually are at least two massive advantages to them over Floragen- price(on some) and availability. The Swanson's one especially when you look at what all is in it. Actually the bulk powdered versions of "plain" acidophilus have another massive advantage- billions and billions more per serving.

You didn't answer my question btw- how is it proven? Are you referring to halting hair loss..or what it claims to do in the body...or ?

I find it a little strange btw that he's selling something but doesn't disclose the ingredients. At least that's what is said on the website. "Patent pending" should be good enough. I'm even more surprised you'd be taking something like this..not knowing what's in it. Or are they listed on the bottle?

 

[Jacob]

Here's an answer to some of it: http://www.hairloss-research.org/UpdateDensity5-10.html

Notice the supplements they recommend.

 

[Hoppi]

The ingredients are quite simple, it's all detailed on the bottle itself. My confidence in the product comes mainly from my confidence in equol, my impression of the creator as a friendly and well-intentioned individual, the fact that he and the only other user I have read about has had results, and also if nothing else my knowledge that the combination of soy and green tea has been shown to have strong DHT reducing effects in experiments.. I believe on mice. Whether that's because they became equol producers or not I don't know!!

I am interested in the other LA product (the powder), but of course it is significantly more expensive than Florajen. Plus at the end of the day I think that precisely WHERE I get my 20 billion+ CFUs of LA is largely irrelevant, as long as I get them. I may chop and change brands, but other than a few pennies here and there I doubt it will really affect me!

Oh, as for the tests, I believe I either read on the site or heard from him directly that results were only shown with this combination, in these amounts (or more). I too enquired about things like soy isoflavones and fermented soy, but apparently it is doubtful as to whether they will be as effective, and it seems logical at least for now to stick to this combination. It will probably evolve as time goes on anyway.

I am however always all-ears about ideas and thoughts on the equol matter, and would love to hear different forum members' experiences

Here's an answer to some of it: http://www.hairloss-research.org/UpdateDensity5-10.html

Notice the supplements they recommend.

That's cool, maybe I'll replace my supplemental iodine with seaweed (or supplemental seaweed! lol )

EDIT -- Correction, GREAT find and very helpful. I will definitely be adding Sea Iodine ASAP! ( http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements ... odine.html )

 

[Jacob]

Well that's not much "proof" of anything..but I guess we'll find out this summer when ppl post back their results. If you could post the ingredients list, that would be great as well.

The powdered/bulk versions cost more up front..but not per billion cfu's. In the little bit of reading I've done on the product/website, he mentions they didn't/don't have the funds/time to compare fermented vs unfermented soy. Obviously trying various strains of probiotics or combos wasn't done either then.

And if he's that into yogurt..he'll love the Progurt.

LEF has a lot of unique products out these days. Remember their combo packets? unk:

 

[hairrific]

Wait a minute both of you! I do not believe the common acidophilus strain is an equol-producing bacteria in intestinal flora, so what gives! Soy milk and and yogurt with acidophilus culture is not going to make equol in the gut.

Here is a study:

Although extensive research has been performed to search for a single bacterium capable of producing equol from isoflavones, there have been only a few reports to date (Wang et al., 2005Go; Minamida et al., 2006Go). We isolated nine strains capable of metabolizing isoflavones to equol from human faeces. Seven of these strains could metabolize daidzein via dihydrodaidzein to equol, while the other two isolates could metabolize only dihydrodaidzein to equol.

daidzein is converted either to equol or O-desmethylangolensin (O-DMA) (Heinonen et al., 1999; Kelly et al., 1993; Setchell et al., 2002)

NINE STRAINS: Adlercreutzia equolifaciens gen. nov., sp. nov.; 2, Eggerthella; 3, Slackia; 4, Denitrobacterium; 5, Cryptobacterium; 6, Collinsella; 7, Coriobacterium; 8, Olsenella; 9, Atopobium.

http://ijsb.sgmjournals.org/cgi/content/full/58/5/1221

 

[Hoppi]

Hehe I dunno man, maybe it would be best to discuss this with Eric Murphy (the creator of Densiti).

The more we can refine this process the better

 

[Jacob]

As I was saying :whistle:

Hoppi..what are the ingreds? Could you ask him the questions raised here? Maybe point out these other probiotic options to him. Etc.

I was actually wondering last night...when reading some more on the Progurt(this is discussed there)...if he just wants you to megadose on probiotics since they do benefit the skin and even hair, on their own.

 

[KeepTheHair]

If anyone ever figures out if this stuff is worth our time let us know if you try this stuff and it works or whatever.

 

[Hoppi]

Just get in contact with him, I'm sure he would be very happy to discuss constructive moves with the product, superior strains, etc etc.

He seems very open minded and positive about his product, and if we provide input I'm sure it can serve to make it better and better for all of us

Don't you think?

 

[Jacob]

Hoppi..you're something else :laugh:

You spent your first 1000 posts bringing stuff over here from another forum..but you can't even just answer my questions and/or ask the guy you're already talking to some more questions and point out other options besides Floragen.

 

[Hoppi]

So what happened with this in the end? Has anyone tried any other equol-related products or supplements?

 

[Jacob]

I'd like to know too..as well as if you asked him the questions, Hoppi :hump:

 

[Hoppi]

I didn't.

 

[thinincrown]

I ordered some sea weed and I already use soy isoflavones. So I am going to make a "home made" version. Im assuming you dont have to drink the glass of soy milk is you are taking soy isoflavones?

Here is more info on equol production:

http://www.hairloss-research.org/UpdateDensity5-10.html

 

[Hoppi]

The creator of Densiti reckons soymilk is more effective (considerably so I believe). That's just his opinion though, I haven't seen evidence to prove or disprove that

 

[Jacob]

I didn't.

And they're all questions you'd think you'd want answered..as someone who is taking the product(s)...