Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[Georgie]

I dont think androgens are the reason. except that T can convert to E. androgens are terrible for hair, eunuchs castrated before puberty will not suffer male pattern hairloss.

I wish I was a eunuch.

 

[Marky]

head hair?? does anyone gain head hair during puberty

Of course, I'd say peak hair happens between 15-17. It goes from being fine to course, and curly if your dna dictates it. At the same time
you are full grown height wise and the frame of your body is established - with some exceptions in the case of a late bloomer.

I think it's mostly the infusion of T that does this, after reaching peak hair you already start to lose it depending on the androgen receptivity to DHT of your follicles. For most this will be a gradual loss over your life time, for others it will be fast and rapid as in the case of someone with culdesac baldness.

What does T do to athletes in the case of performance enhancing drugs? It increases their performance cause it turns them into a superhuman, like a second puberty in adulthood, so why can't this be used to jump start hair? So long as you're on dutasteride/finasteride to choke off the extra DHT that comes from the increase in T.

So my theory is you can produce more T naturally through exercise, say heavier weightlifting, to give you the growth affects, then use AA's to keep the DHT off your follicles. Plus exercise such as this promote blood flow to the scalp:

 

[Marky]

I dont think androgens are the reason. except that T can convert to E. androgens are terrible for hair, eunuchs castrated before puberty will not suffer male pattern hairloss.

Fair enough, but if they are castrated before puberty their full peak hair potential was not met. If they were castrated after puberty then peak hair would have been reached and maintained.

 

[bridgeburn]

I think it's mostly the infusion of T that does this, after reaching peak hair you already start to lose it depending on the androgen receptivity to DHT of your follicles. For most this will be a gradual loss over your life time, for others it will be fast and rapid as in the case of someone with culdesac baldness.

Ive never heard of this. really doubt its the T directly.., T has affinity to the androgen receptor just like Dht does. the difference is that it's weaker. E however also rises with T because it is produced from T.

 

[Marky]

Ive never heard of this. really doubt its the T directly.., T has affinity to the androgen receptor just like Dht does. the difference is that it's weaker. E however also rises with T because it is produced from T.

"In male adolescents, testosterone and DHT stimulate hair growth on the face, pubic area, scalp and under the arms. Later in life, these exact hormones may prompt the hair follicles on a man's head to shrink. When a man experiences male pattern baldness, it appears that the hair follicles on his head have an extreme response and sensitivity to DHT. The follicles get broken to the point that they are no longer capable of producing hair."

https://healthyliving.azcentral.com/does-testosterone-cause-hair-growth-12202284.html

T good DHT bad? what would happen to the body in general if you flood it with DHT? Beats me, I know what happens with T - turns a pussy cat into a tiger

 

[bridgeburn]

In male adolescents

This didnt apply to me. it was during adolescence that I lost a ton of hair. male puberty murdered my temples

 

[Marky]

This didnt apply to me. it was during adolescence that I lost a ton of hair. male puberty murdered my temples

Your hair must've thickened from the age of 10, say, to 13ish? That might have been peak hair for you, then due to follicle sensitivity the DHT went to town right away, whereas usual normal baldness is prolonged and gradual throughout life.

 

[bridgeburn]

Your hair must've thickened from the age of 10, say, to 13ish? That might have been peak hair for you, then due to follicle sensitivity the DHT went to town right away, whereas usual normal baldness is prolonged and gradual throughout life.

I don't remember any thickening. not that I closely examined it. my hair was great all through childhood. Its possible even that i had thicker hair while it was falling out, i doubt its neccessarily a good thing! Id much rather have full head of hair like a child than course hair succeptible to baldness

 

[Marky]

I don't remember any thickening. not that I closely examined it. my hair was great all through childhood. Its possible even that i had thicker hair while it was falling out, i doubt its neccessarily a good thing! Id much rather have full head of hair like a child than course hair succeptible to baldness

Do you think you would lose all that growth if you went off the drugs and just stayed on dutasteride and min to maintain?
Think you might try it one day?

 

[bridgeburn]

Do you think you would lose all that growth if you went off the drugs and just stayed on dutasteride and min to maintain?
Think you might try it one day?

possibly I could maintain it because of testicular atrophy it's likely my T production won't come back for quite awhile even after quitting, but it might. I won't think about quitting anytime soon though, not until hair is restored to the maximum.

 

[michel sapin]

@bridgeburn ; you're vertex/crown have fully recovered ?

 

[Georgie]

I keep reading about how mesotherapy provides infinitely better follicle penetration/stimulation with things like minoxidil, dutas, fina, astressin-b. I wonder how estrgoen scalp mesotherapy would go. I’m salivating over the idea of drenching my follicles in sweet, nourishing estrogen. Wish there were studies on this.

 

[bridgeburn]

@bridgeburn ; you're vertex/crown have fully recovered ?

yep, fully recovered. within 3 months all over the top had thickened up.

 

[bridgeburn]

I keep reading about how mesotherapy provides infinitely better follicle penetration/stimulation with things like minoxidil, dutas, fina, astressin-b. I wonder how estrgoen scalp mesotherapy would go. I’m salivating over the idea of drenching my follicles in sweet, nourishing estrogen. Wish there were studies on this.

that's a good idea since androgens make the skin thicker..

 

[Georgie]

that's a good idea since androgens make the skin thicker..

I don’t know why it hasn’t at least been explored... that I know of.

 

[Georgie]

http://www.rui-products.com/Liquid-Dutast-30mL it could help ? Injecting it in the scalp for meso ?

Or in the muscle, better absorption and bioavailability

I’ve thought about dong my own mesotherapy but also don’t want to f*** it up. I’m qualified to give subcutaneous and intramuscular injections, draw venous and iv blood, but I ain’t never done no scalp injections.

 

[Georgie]

I see that estrogen mesotherapy is done for skin. It literally works on the same “growth factor” premise. Why aren’t they injecting this sh*t into scalps?!

 

[Marky]

that's a good idea since androgens make the skin thicker..

Couple questions, if i've done ok on dutasteride once a week would it be better to up the dosage to 2 a week or throw in one of these female hormones?

Can you take a pic of your gyno?

 

[Georgie]

Couple questions, if i've done ok on dutasteride once a week would it be better to up the dosage to 2 a week or throw in one of these female hormones?

Can you take a pic of your gyno?

I’d kick it up to 3 x a week. You on minoxidil? Maybe also add a topical AA in like RU. Female hormones are a last resort mate.

 

[Marky]

I’d kick it up to 3 x a week. You on minoxidil? Maybe also add a topical AA in like RU. Female hormones are a last resort mate.

Ya rogaine foam a few times a week in the evening, then nizoral 1-2 times/week.

Whats a good RU supplier? Doesnt that come from shady places in china?

I tried spironolactone cream for a time, but meh.