Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

DogoDiLaurentiis

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Don't you think FTMs fail so often because they have sh*t tier 80 years old man T levels?

No, I think they fail because doctors (here at least) don't give two shits about the outcome, merely fulfilling their obligation to give trans people the hormones they ask for because the government will threaten their license to practice if they don't.

The one FTM I know failed because regardless of how much test cypionate they were given, they just got fatter because their body was aggressively aromatizing the testosterone into estrogen. That and their bodies simply weren't up to the job of the virilization they were looking for being exposed to testosterone. I mean -maybe- they could have asked for test solution, but then they'd be injecting themselves every day instead of every five days.

Giving more testosterone isn't the solution that's what the FTM did, and they just got disgusting acne, fat as sh*t and didn't look like a dude because they weren't on an AI.

In the same ways that it is possible the androgen receptor hypersensitivity might be a failsafe against transitioning or excessive androgen receptor shutdown, a biological woman being blasted with testosterone will likely have a similar reflexive response in trying to aromatize as much test as possible. The body doesn't know what the intended goal is, it just knows a woman is becoming un-womaned and the body is trying to correct what is happening.
 

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I dont know how to recover from this without getting extreme feminization
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I'm already on 1,25 mg finasteride ED.

Oh an btw... I'm 17 1/2.
 

DogoDiLaurentiis

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Then it turns out that T and DHT remain in the blood, estrogen compensates for them and they do not kill the follicles? Sounds interesting, but I'm not sure if this will work for hair. Too little knowledge about it


Yes, I wanted to say that. I read that with the predominance of estrogen, people notice, for example, that they are less oriented in space. And on this forum some changes were noted. I don’t know if it’s good or bad. But it's better than baldness


You demonize T. too much. It makes our muscles stronger, improves mood, and aggressiveness depends more on your personality traits than on the level of T. There are both aggressive women and calm men with high T, should we consider him the culprit?



I am Asian, my face looks full even with a high T, so I would not want to get that. But in fact, after a few days I will remove Bisha's lumps to reduce the puffiness of my cheeks. Let's see what happens ...

The research is carried out on cancer cells. I do not understand oncology, so I cannot comment

This is the main thing. I wish you the best of luck, keep us updated

I know what levels of testosterone my body can handle, and after this experience I've been through, I'm starting to realize that there is an underlying balance that I have to maintain in order for my skin and hair to look decent.

Yes, I do not have an unlimited ceiling of testosterone tolerance the way absolute legends like Rich Piana did, he only started really losing his hair once he started using IGF-1 and growth hormone like crazy. My body does not work well with high levels of test, and trust me when I've seen guys who have taken steroids and it has adversely affected their mood.

I am a lot more cold and easy to snap on people when my testosterone is higher, and that's not something I need. I don't care about having limitless strength, I got -so- f*****g strong a couple years ago, my muscles would never get tired, strongest I've ever been and I felt like I didn't even max out my natural limit for weight lifting, but that does not matter.

Weight lifting isn't my life, I want balance, I want hair I want to look good and feel good as well.

If I were a roman gladiator and my life was killing people non-stop, then yeah I would care about that, but that's not what I want and that's not the life I'm going to have. I don't feel the need to put my strength on display constantly, I'm not going to be working construction or heavy industry anymore so I don't need to be stupidly strong.

I had that experience, not the one I want, I have a far better idea of what I want to tolerate for the sake of my looks and especially my hair.

Don't sacrifice your life trying to fulfill an archetype that does not resonate with you, and realize if you have a propensity for hairloss that hypervirilization will cause that loss to get worse.

I don't have anything to prove to anyone in terms of masculinity or muscle strength or anything like that, I want to live a happy, fulfilled life and look and feel good. That's it, I've got nothing to prove to anyone, I just want what I want.

All I can tell you is that you need to realize that hairloss is your body's way of telling you that you have a limit in tolerating certain hormones and that what you may aspire to in one respect may detract from another because of it.
 

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Weight lifting isn't my life, I want balance, I want hair I want to look good and feel good as well.
I don't argue with that. I just pointed out that T is not an exclusively harmful hormone, you should not consider it the source of all ills. The problem is in our receptors, which respond inadequately to it
You leave the topic and talk about archetypes. It was not about this, but about the fact that you demonize T. Each hormone is good in its own way, you should blame genetics for such an inadequate response to androgens
 

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I have incredibly oily skin, chronic acne. I understand you, sometimes I also hate f*****g Testosterone for that. We need to either lower it or block it. Bicalutamide 50mg should rid me of oily skin and acne, but it is unlikely to give me thicker hair. Icarus said that he got regrowth thanks to Minoxidil, and Bicalutamide only stopped the loss. My temples and sides are destroyed, so I don't want to stop but turn back

I'll give Bicalutamide a year and see what it does. If that's not enough, I will remove the breast and jump on estradiol. f***, I want to forget about baldness and get good hair, I'm so tired of doing the work of Sisyphus
 

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Now tell me what changes I will get by taking 2mg estradiol. Can I forget about sex life? My testicles are atrophying, so I won't have a way back if I don't like something?
Am I getting fat?
Will I be like a trance or will I just become a nicer guy?
 

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Now tell me what changes I will get by taking 2mg estradiol. Can I forget about sex life? My testicles are atrophying, so I won't have a way back if I don't like something?
Am I getting fat?
Will I be like a trance or will I just become a nicer guy?
ymmv but i don't have any sexual side effects, other than the fact i don't have any sperm
Edit: At one point i was taking 8 mg sublingual e2, 100mg progesteron suppository, 1.25mg finasteride, 0.5mg dutasteride, estrogel~ and i still couldn't kill my erections.
 
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Now tell me what changes I will get by taking 2mg estradiol. Can I forget about sex life? My testicles are atrophying, so I won't have a way back if I don't like something?
Am I getting fat?
Will I be like a trance or will I just become a nicer guy?
You can still have a sex life and likely still get erections. Your testicles may atrophy after a long enough period of time. If you lose the ability to ejaculate, then yes they will atrophy over time. You won't necessarily get fat. I never did. Some fat might redistribute. But that's a relatively low dose still.

As for how you look. I dunno. You might just get nicer skin and end up looking like a younger guy. In my experience (and again I take a more extreme regimen with higher E dosages), I looked like a more attractive guy around 6 months to a year. There was a time people at bars would jokingly ask if I was in a boy band and compliment my looks. But somewhere between a year to a year and a half I started to look more and more feminine where strangers started suddenly gendering me female.
 

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ymmv but i don't have any sexual side effects, other than the fact i don't have any sperm
What is your regime? You seem to be using even more estrogen, i.e. 4mg
Share how you have changed since you started taking estrogen. You see, I don’t know what I’ll look like if I jumped on this. And the unknown is always worry
 

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You can still have a sex life and likely still get erections. Your testicles may atrophy after a long enough period of time. If you lose the ability to ejaculate, then yes they will atrophy over time. You won't necessarily get fat. I never did. Some fat might redistribute. But that's a relatively low dose still.

As for how you look. I dunno. You might just get nicer skin and end up looking like a younger guy. In my experience (and again I take a more extreme regimen with higher E dosages), I looked like a more attractive guy around 6 months to a year. There was a time people at bars would jokingly ask if I was in a boy band and compliment my looks. But somewhere between a year to a year and a half I started to look more and more feminine where strangers started suddenly gendering me female.
I don't want to look like a woman. I don't want to be confused. I want to keep my masculinity. I don't mind skin enhancements, prettier looking. But there is a point after which it becomes redundant. I don't need something like gender dysphoria
 

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Cant you use E2 for a period of time and then drop it after getting the desired results? Or are you getting dependant on it?!
 

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I don't want to look like a woman. I don't want to be confused. I want to keep my masculinity. I don't mind skin enhancements, prettier looking. But there is a point after which it becomes redundant. I don't need something like gender dysphoria
Yeah I get it. Personally I think hrt is kinda risky if you don't want feminization. Good news is if you start going past a point you don't like, you can stop and most changes should revert. Though depending on gyno amount, that may require surgery if prominent enough
 

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Cant you use E2 for a period of time and then drop it after getting the desired results? Or are you getting dependant on it?!
Someone on this forum (wolfpak or something like that) created a thread about his experience doing just that, though I think he still had to cycle it on occasion.
 

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Cant you use E2 for a period of time and then drop it after getting the desired results? Or are you getting dependant on it?!
Like, I plan getting on bica and maybe oral minoxidil and stay on it.
But I am questioning if I would need E2 as well to regrow, but then again... can I drop it after regrowth and continue with finasteride+bica!?

Damn... kinda scary to make experiments with your endocrine system.
 

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Like, I plan getting on bica and maybe oral minoxidil and stay on it.
But I am questioning if I would need E2 as well to regrow, but then again... can I drop it after regrowth and continue with finasteride+bica!?

Damn... kinda scary to make experiments with your endocrine system.
Noah gained pretty much a full Norwood 0 hairline back using cpa, estrogen, and dutasteride. Then ended up dropping all but dutasteride and his hair is still doing ok. It recessed back to nw1ish, but from last I saw it seems to be holding up on just dutasteride now
 

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What is your regime? You seem to be using even more estrogen, i.e. 4mg
Share how you have changed since you started taking estrogen. You see, I don’t know what I’ll look like if I jumped on this. And the unknown is always worry
My life long back acne has disappeared that's about it. Form me estrogen seems to be overhyped
 
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