Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[JaneyElizabeth]

Unless you can hide the gyno by being overweight or some others means, none is better than the other.

In spite of the horrible name, which it isn't at all, merely pics, FtMporn often has pics of guys who have removed their breast tissue. I am in favor of free choice but often the results to me, look simply awful and concave and very noticeable. I think that if there's a difference that a reduction would be better than mastectomy looks-wise but we all differ. It's hard to explain but both @bridgeburn and I at least started the process as male and both of us had to make a choice regarding stopping or plowing through and we both plowed through.

This doesn't frame well as always since I have big round C+'s or D's depending but average for an MtF is AA. I am not sure of the variance but I don't think that it is very high since MtF's whine incessantly about breast growth.

Eh, I don't care I guess so I will say that mine, are everything you would imagine if you wanted to be female for a day. There is something hypnotic and pleasurable as they sway and they become very sensual whereas as a guy, I had tiny nipples that gave zero pleasure. One thing is that MtF's struggle often to wear bras because our chests are usually broader and the breasts sit either slightly apart <raises hand> or they are a considerable distance apart which makes even boob jobs for such MtF's complicated and to most of us, vastly over-sized although MtF's usually consider that a feature and not a bug. Someone asked me to post pics while obscuring the nipples which I did previously on this thread but I think I took them down as I felt it was more appropriate on my own thread. They are big and round, lol and now I love them but bcwywf (be careful what you wish for!)

 

[Almas]

I think that if there's a difference that a reduction would be better than mastectomy

Difference?

 

[Pls_NW-1]

Difference?

Crates.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Difference?

One is full removal, I think and the other spares the nipples and some tissue. I dislike scarring and FtM's often bear in my opinion, hideous scars but maybe they think they are cool since many of them are ultra-masculine in approach. Virtually no XY's want hair everywhere but these folks literally are what we used to call "bears" in the olden days and as an MtF and an XY, yuck! The other thing is that many XX's have huge nipples so they have to remove some of that or it's a giveaway. Lol, as though standing 5 feet two inches tall isn't a giveaway. For some reason, heights work better for MtF's in terms of passing but I grew up at 170 cm or 5' 7" and I have lost an inch due to age and estrogen so that's not an issue for me. Even guys under six feet can make it work but no XX's under 5' 6" in my opinion are likely to pass easily. Eh, to each their own but many MtF's are beautiful and unclockable. The process isn't as realistic in the other direction. The surgery is not anything that I would ever even contemplate because I think their organs look bizarre while MtF's even with a mere vulvoplasty are indistinguishable visually. At the same time, many of us are eschewing surgery because it can have negative effects on pleasure and because many non-binary folks are okay with having a penis.

There is also the option of what I call a penile reduction which basically removes length. People ask and female hormones can shrink a person in the flaccid state to barely anything but pulled length rarely decreases more than one inch if that. The testicles depending upon dosage can go back to say the ten-year old size and state where they stay internal or partially internal most of the time.

And I am not ant-FtM but I calls 'em like I sees 'em. God bless them because Goddess will not!

 

[SnortingFinasteride]

In spite of the horrible name, which it isn't at all, merely pics, FtMporn often has pics of guys who have removed their breast tissue. I am in favor of free choice but often the results to me, look simply awful and concave and very noticeable. I think that if there's a difference that a reduction would be better than mastectomy looks-wise but we all differ. It's hard to explain but both @bridgeburn and I at least started the process as male and both of us had to make a choice regarding stopping or plowing through and we both plowed through.

This doesn't frame well as always since I have big round C+'s or D's depending but average for an MtF is AA. I am not sure of the variance but I don't think that it is very high since MtF's whine incessantly about breast growth.

Eh, I don't care I guess so I will say that mine, are everything you would imagine if you wanted to be female for a day. There is something hypnotic and pleasurable as they sway and they become very sensual whereas as a guy, I had tiny nipples that gave zero pleasure. One thing is that MtF's struggle often to wear bras because our chests are usually broader and the breasts sit either slightly apart <raises hand> or they are a considerable distance apart which makes even boob jobs for such MtF's complicated and to most of us, vastly over-sized although MtF's usually consider that a feature and not a bug. Someone asked me to post pics while obscuring the nipples which I did previously on this thread but I think I took them down as I felt it was more appropriate on my own thread. They are big and round, lol and now I love them but bcwywf (be careful what you wish for!)

I do agree that full removal of breast tissue would result in noticeable "i had obvious surgery" sign. For FtMs, i sympathize with alot because they don't have a choice and just like most MtFs hating their male parts and such, FtMs hate their apparent female sides. Mastectomy, despite the scars and look wise, it brings FtMs some relief and acceptance with their bodies, and when done by an expert surgeon, it can look natural and just part of the body.





For MtFs, alot do complain about breast size as you have mentioned, but some don't even know that cis-females do so as well. The first thing you would hear a cis-female complain about, is her breast size, followed by her eyes, her nose, her hair ect... So it is not weird at all in the grand scheme of things.



Estradiol (talking about its effects on MtFs) will give you breast tissue, ducts and lobules no matter your chest size, because that is what it does (when in high levels or paired with progesterone, it can also enable lactation). I am happy that you are satisfied with your breast growth, as you should be, cause breast implants just scream "fake" to people.




Moral of the story is, bcwywf.

 

[Pls_NW-1]

I do agree that full removal of breast tissue would result in noticeable "i had obvious surgery" sign. For FtMs, i sympathize with alot because they don't have a choice and just like most MtFs hating their male parts and such, FtMs hate their apparent female sides. Mastectomy, despite the scars and look wise, it brings FtMs some relief and acceptance with their bodies, and when done by an expert surgeon, it can look natural and just part of the body.





For MtFs, alot do complain about breast size as you have mentioned, but some don't even know that cis-females do so as well. The first thing you would hear a cis-female complain about, is her breast size, followed by her eyes, her nose, her hair ect... So it is not weird at all in the grand scheme of things.



Estradiol (talking about its effects on MtFs) will give you breast tissue, ducts and lobules no matter your chest size, because that is what it does (when in high levels or paired with progesterone, it can also enable lactation). I am happy that you are satisfied with your breast growth, as you should be, cause breast implants just scream "fake" to people.




Moral of the story is, bcwywf.

Someone already lactated on 100mg Bicalutamide yikes!

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Someone already lactated on 100mg Bicalutamide yikes!

I mean sure cis-females complain but MtF's are exactly like you guys are with your hair but instead it is with breasts. They are obsessed and whine a lot about medications "not working for them". The meds are working fine but one theory is that life-long exposure to T, mediates much less potential breast growth when switching but as I say, there are no guarantees as I was 50 and had so much more T-exposure over the years.

So the MtF equivalent of snake oil is progesterone up the rectum every day to try to grow breasts. I don't think it works and I tried it twice and it mostly makes a huge orangey or red mess. They flock to the Dr. Will Powers reddit site as he is their "breast guru". This might be mean but the main spokeswoman on his site, is both boob and hair-challenged as she touts his program for both hair and breasts. He has a hair formula that is decent with minoxidil ten percent but nothing we aren't already using to good effect on here. What I do is to cycle regular progesterone, Prometrium orally ten days a month at night @300 mg. Less than 200 mg tends not to be effective orally but my PA thinks I am taking one daily at 100mg.

One person who writes about this thinks that Premarin and ethinyl estradiol were better for breast growth so maybe that carries over to breast and hair growth but Premarin, a horse estrogen or estrogens, was my main med until last June and I continue having breast and nipple growth after 7 years so I make a poor spokesperson for the notion of "don't worry--MtF's are always small".

Hey, if I am going to have them, they might as well be stellar and they are, so thank you, Goddess!

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Someone already lactated on 100mg Bicalutamide yikes!

Thanks. Yes, virtually all MtF's boob jobs look like footballs. I posted a few on my thread along with before boob job pics to give people ideas about how much growth is likely but I post my own to show guys worst case (bug or feature?) scenarios by using E2 or AA's. I can do that cis-female thing where you cover up both nipples with one arm and they just look round and fleshy but in a good way she hopes.

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

@keepcoolmybabies you're over 30!? I would have guessed that you were like 23, max

Drop your skincare routine please

Estrogen lol

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Estrogen lol

Nobody knows our secret but it's mostly beard removal plus adult female estrogen levels. I am 56 and I mean, I look in the mirror and see a much younger person now. Estrogen also promotes regressive effects towards childhood facial proportions except for bone. So our eyes open up and often significantly. We tend to have high cheekbones or have them put in which is something I had as a boy at 17 but then lost. The less your face diverges from childhood, the more easily one can pass or pass attractively. I am a runt, not sure about KCMB.

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

Nobody knows our secret but it's mostly beard removal plus adult female estrogen levels. I am 56 and I mean, I look in the mirror and see a much younger person now. Estrogen also promotes regressive effects towards childhood facial proportions except for bone. So our eyes open up and often significantly. We tend to have high cheekbones or have them put in which is something I had as a boy at 17 but then lost. The less your face diverges from childhood, the more easily one can pass or pass attractively. I am a runt, not sure about KCMB.

5'7ish

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

5'7ish

Yeah. From an MtF stance, both of us are the perfect height for passing while still having nice long legs to show off!

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

Boy does she look young and well, not hard on the eyes. It's probably imprudent to ask if any surgery? Great transition. I love my before and after pics. It looks like two different people.

No surgery yet. Tho I have ffs coming up in a few weeks

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

5'7ish

I still wonder if Estrogel on my breasts as well as Biestro all of these years made me develop chest-wise but I feel a little bit like a rock star as an MtF since well, I got pretty big ones but of course, I see cis-females that are just enormous and nipples too which tend to develop less in MtF's but many cis-females have small nipples.

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

women's hairlines only thin but never erode.

Not necessarily true. I see plenty of women who have temple loss. It's not as common as men. But still common enough that I can spot it practically anytime out at a grocery store. Granted it generally erodes to nw1-2 and rarely further. But not all have perfect rounded hairlines. Androgens affect them too

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

No surgery yet. Tho I have ffs coming up in a few weeks

Maybe we can privately message some time about that. I have used filler to great effect and it almost works like a mold but it's more expensive in the long run. I have probably spent $15,000 on filler and botox this year and another $30,000 on teeth. It's expensive for those of us who are perfectionists or who rather see themselves just in reach of being attractive. I could pass without filler but I was ugly, lol. Literally the day that I got filler the first time, a guy hit on me in a serious way. We were smoking weed in my car outside a bar and all of a sudden, he was all over me like in the movies where I was pushing him away with both arms back to his side of the seat but he kept trying to kiss me by holding me down.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Not necessarily true. I see plenty of women who have temple loss. It's not as common as men. But still common enough that I can spot it practically anytime out at a grocery store. Granted it generally erodes to nw1-2 and rarely further. But not all have perfect rounded hairlines. Androgens affect them too

Yeah, I mean that's true in my normal age category and I was still passing fine without the wig but I realize now that my breasts do that for me, which is unusual for MtF's but I am far past the point of deniability. Just like @bridgeburn, only my hair mattered really but if I hadn't gone this route, I mean deep down I must have wanted this but for those MtF's who don't grow up identifying as female, it's harder to know. But my ex and children were definitely going to notice. Ha, as I am bigger now than she is!

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

Yeah, I mean that's true in my normal age category and I was still passing fine without the wig but I realize now that my breasts do that for me, which is unusual for MtF's but I am far past the point of deniability. Just like @bridgeburn, only my hair mattered really but if I hadn't gone this route, I mean deep down I must have wanted this but for those MtF's who don't grow up identifying as female, it's harder to know. But my ex and children were definitely going to notice. Ha, as I am bigger now than she is!

Wait, you started hrt for hair only with no plans to transition and didn't realize you were trans prior?

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Wait, you started hrt for hair only with no plans to transition and didn't realize you were trans prior?

Yeah. I guess but my breast growth was always phenomenal even with Biestro only. So it didn't take long until I was putting it on my breasts in addition to my scalp and then Estrogel because I was bored during the day as a housewife. It was more that I saw females as more attractive and I wanted their hair and then it grew in strength in terms of wanting to be female. After my wife divorced me, I quit for about two years to try to get her back but my hair regressed horribly and then I just let it rip. My hair then actually got worse initially under HRT so I must have been using lots of Biestro and Estrogel.

Honestly, a lot of it for a person my age was that I was tired of T and its compulsive effects even beyond hair loss. I much prefer the estrogen-influenced sexuality as it is a choice but rarely a compulsion. As I think back, I wanted to be like a Ken Doll down there regardless of how I presented. I just always hated having junk which led to small penis fantasies which I failed to interpret correctly until I was on HRT. I write about this some times. For many MtF's, we have to work through the shame and humiliation of wanting to be female just like the guys who aren't MtF's. I had to wear the maid outfit to learn how to be alright with it but unfortunately my ex came home early one day before the children and she surprised me. Two months later, she filed for divorce, sigh. So I had kept my secret all of those years because I was afraid to tell her lest she leave me and then that was my reality.

A lot of this is almost dream-like for me because unlike my marriage, every single thing, every treatment as an MtF has worked spectacularly. I didn't even know at the time that it was unusual to have so much breast growth because I thought that it was equal for MtF's because of the way you are always warned off estrogen's side effects. Being a stay at home "father" should have prepared my ex but it didn't. So yes, this was my path but it didn't feel so much like a choice. Being attractive is a huge deal for me since I was always attractive until male pattern baldness.

 

[Isneezedsohard]

Dude, I think gyno looks better than crates lol

Lol. Crates