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Hey all. I am going to post something creative that I am trying to do to make learning interesting plus I enjoy writing more with more viewers. So anyway, if you could comment on my site also I would appreciate it as I am pretty much providing most of the content on the orphan @bridgeburn thread, which is well, here lol.

I am trying to do some creative things and since my recovery is so excellent now, I really view this as volunteer work. When I am on Reddit, Tressless or here, I try to answer every single question without an answer provided I know something about it. Arrogant? Well, sometimes but I have all but literally had ever single hair experience there is.

Grew up when there were no meds; had the father with the perfect hair; suffered from immediate and incapacitating ED; got a botched transplant; was among the first min, finasteride, and duta patients and being at least DIY HRT going back to 2013 and so on; my main issue is all of the botched scar tissue in places that I am still trying to eliminate via micro-needling, I am a long-time user of Keto and Selsun blue and even a former polysorbate and hair in a spray can user. I was an NW7 for many months. I get the pain, humiliation, depression, lack of energy or will to continue. I am always sympathetic to XY hairloss and now I want to learn how to find solutions for females that are reliably predictable too.

Finally, I want to do a daily question and advice column format for anyone with any question. I also look deeply into the psychological and sexual aspects of HRT frankly. You want to know what it might do to your junk then read below in the next post. My thread is here:https://www.hairlosstalk.com/intera...t-and-pictorial-posts-prove-it.130425/page-32
 

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An Uncensored Interview with Janey Elizabeth about HRT and Hair Loss and Rejuvenation and Anything Else that Comes to Mind.


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: Janey, is it true that you have become an MtF just for the hair?

Janey: I often say that I am only in this for the hair. I think it's clever as a short-cut for being non-binary and it makes my mother accept all of this more easily.

Interviewer: But is it true? Can HRT turn a person into an MtF in terms of mental state?

I am not sure if it's true that I am only in this for the hair. That was true at the start but eh, my theories about hair regrowth via scalp-applied estrogen didn't work out in terms of being non-feminizing. I eventually had to make a hair regrowth versus breast deniability decision because I hadn't reached my hair goals and my breasts were rapidly growing in size and roundness. Ultimately, I opted more so for beauty than just for hair but I mean, I wasn't despondent as a male and I could tell that HRT was making me much more attractive facially and reining in somewhat my rampant dermatitis. My second big decision was beard removal which took ten years off my face and helped curb the dermatitis. Let me put it this way: I am just in it for the hair but Goddess threw in a hot bod and a cute face for free....

Interviewer: You don't seem to mind being called a guy. Why is that?

Janey: Well, I was a guy solely for 50 years and that is my experience largely as a female. I have a friend on here who thinks I might have been repressing my feelings all along and that might be true. I have mostly identified as androgynous but that is a less challenging thing to get my head around. I call people what they want to be called and use their pronouns.

Officially, I have changed my name to Jane Elizabeth and I am female according to my Driver's License. I might have opted for other but that's problematic too. I don't see myself as "other" in terms of being different. My breasts make sure that I don't get misgendered whether I pass or not so I don't have that issues gnawing at me. The best way to not get misgendered for me is to be as attractive as possible, male or female or androgynous because my breasts are far past the binding point which I would never do anyway. Most of us are XY's on here and using guys for gals is something that is done in the northeast of the U.S.

Interviewer: What about the term "tranny"?

Janey: My druthers is that people not use that term and I always point out that many transgender folks don't like that term because it seems disparaging in use and related to p**rn. If someone does it on a thread more than once, then I absent myself from the thread and I block that individual. I am about as un-PC as possible and I really don't care so much about the term directed at me as I do the antipathy from the person using it. People who state that "everyone on HRT regrows hair" are suspect as idiots from the start but transgender folks who question experimental meds or threads often receive such a throwaway line. We know that HRT can work to fully restore hair but it often does not for older guys and gals.

Interviewer: For guys, they all want to know whether it shrinks your junk or not.

Janey: Eh. It does and it doesn't. For some, it can appear dramatically smaller and thinner when flaccid but not when pulled length measuring is done. Cialis and v**** might forestall any shrinkage at all but the major issue is that many lose for a time, all or most libido and since blood flow tends to be use it or lose it, it can take away the ability to procreate and engage in penetrative sex. There is often if not always, substantially testicular shrinkage that appears to be largely reversible upon desisting from HRT. Sex can be experienced differently with stereotypical female sex drive which is not compulsive but chosen. Upping E2 levels can up female sex drive as both T and E2 up sex drive in females.

Depending upon E2 levels, though, in general the entire genital area can become intersex in appearance and more so feminine than male except for the lacking of any orifice. There is however a pseudo-orifice and the orgasms are definitely clitoral in type without the flush that males have after orgasm. Some times orgasm isn't even seen as particularly relevant as most cis-females will admit, as it's just enough. Elaine Benes is famous for saying that. There is a pronounced mons apparent and the testicles pull inward in a puckered fashion which is the pseudo-orifice. The scrotum thickens in appear and looks just like labia from certain angles. Estrogen has amazing healing powers and my foreskin grew back although it now resembles more a clitoral hood with clitoral hang. This is one reason why the SRS decision is so hard because sexually, SRS is a risk and it might lead to loss of clitoral feeling entirely. This makes a vulvoplasty the best option for those not interested in intercourse vaginally. Vaginoplasties are difficult and have a long recovery period. You generally can't do it incrementally except for orchiectomy as you lose vaginal depth.

Interviewer: Now you have been known to say that you would never go off of estrogen because it has powerful rejuvenizing effects. What do you mean by this exactly? Doesn't testosterone also have such rejuvenation effects?

Janey: Not in the same way. T can increase libido, maybe even organ size minimally and can help with ED. A person feels stronger and therefore younger. But it increases risk categories for virtually everything and promotes aggression and compulsive rut-like sexuality. It's actually a pretty dangerous med when used above prescribed limits. That's why T is controlled and estrogen is not. It also has to do with effects on sports performance to make cheating harder. Limitless T will exhaust a person adrenally and age a person quickly including inducing baldness. It is limited in its tissue-renewing capacity because it doesn't "view" the used up male tissue as being out of place. It might help some with chronic injuries but I have my doubts.

Estrogen on the other hand rewrites, re-matrixes, renews all tissue and the results can be spectacular. For me, no more neck or back pain. First, both got worse and made me sore but then all of my chronic pain was gone. I had a normal sex drive finally not an enormous compulsive one. I literally can smile now as T de-neotenizes the face, making smiling difficult for adult XY's. Friends even did an episode related to not being able to smile.

Interviewer: So has your sexual preference changed? What are the advantages of incorporating HRT for sexual purposes?

Janey: I love this question. Thank you so much for asking.

I mean, ultimately my preferences seem to be gradually widening but I am also more expected by society or less ashamed or whatever to admit that I might enjoy being the wife of an androgynous man with not much beard and gorgeous hair. Hopefully with a large penis of substantial girth. But I still am a little conflicted about being gay more so than being transgender. For males raised like me by fathers who had been in the military, wanting to be a sissy is shameful so I could never reconcile that. And according to Ephemeral Kitten, I was just repressed.

Anyway, last March, guy number one made a sincere try that was nigh close to assault, almost hilariously with my feet in the air, him trying to kiss me and holding me down with me pushing him with both hands back to the passenger side of the car. I think he kissed my cheeks only though but maybe the lips with a peck. But as soon as I got upright, I noticed that "he had it out" as quoted by Elaine Benis. And it was considerable.

We were supposed to be only vaping but maybe I am a tease? I had slacks on luckily and I used to only wear dresses and shorts or photograph Janey like that.

He was married and was supposed to already be home with the bar's take-out burgers and fries. This was pretty much the first day that I put on the wig so I am curious to see what my future holds. I still feel kind of guilty for turning him down as he was worthy so I don't know if I am getting gayer or not because back then I had very low libido still which is far from true now.

And in reference to using HRT to enhance sexuality in general, absolutely. Historically, male tops prefer slight, hairless, non-balding XY's with tiny penises and testicles. But it could be hard to find those exact packages all together. Now, with HRT, sissies attracted to men, can carefully calibrate hair, body hair, flaccid penis size and testicle reversion. All of this is good for daddies,too and I do often feel sorry for those guys<winks>. It's not their fault that they are drawn to anything remotely female like a typical hairless pair of buttocks.

The Greeks prized the boys who were tiniest and wrote poems about how horrible puberty was to beauty of boys. It was and is true and not speaking of anything illegal, but the eye interest in tiny genitalia is keen in many XY's. As some of us know, many of them are married but prefer males for sex because it seems like more of a challenge to get or because it turns them on to see how tiny femmes are compared to them and it turns femmes on as well. The contrast is very sexual and base.
 

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Gynecomastia (breast growth) is a very common(>10%) side effect with Bicalutamide, decreased libido/erectile dysfunction is common(1-10%)

"Gynecomastia occurs in up to 80% of men treated with bicalutamide monotherapy, though is of only mild-to-moderate severity in more than 90% of affected men. In addition to breast changes, physical feminization and demasculinization in general, including reduced body hair growth, decreased muscle mass and strength, feminine changes in fat mass and distribution, reduced penile length, and decreased semen/ejaculate volume, may occur in men. "

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Gynecomastia (breast growth) is a very common(>10%) side effect with Bicalutamide, decreased libido/erectile dysfunction is common(1-10%)

"Gynecomastia occurs in up to 80% of men treated with bicalutamide monotherapy, though is of only mild-to-moderate severity in more than 90% of affected men. In addition to breast changes, physical feminization and demasculinization in general, including reduced body hair growth, decreased muscle mass and strength, feminine changes in fat mass and distribution, reduced penile length, and decreased semen/ejaculate volume, may occur in men. "

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The rate of gyno from 50mg bica is pretty much similar to the rate of gyno from 200mg spironolactone i believe.
 

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The rate of gyno from 50mg bica is pretty much similar to the rate of gyno from 200mg spironolactone i believe.
I am still not completely sure of the distinction between gyno and breast development except gyno might halt at areola and nipple enlargement but that's all many girls get anyway.
 

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Two Invitations

My Maryland Zoom transgender video group meets tomorrow night and my P.A. for HRT is going to be the guest and anyone who wants to participate and learn and ask questions related to HRT for an expert. I will give you a link to get the passcode.

Then on the 23rd, my polyamory group is having a party via Zoom which is oriented to sensual pleasure for all genders and legal fetishes. We usually have an edifying pre-chat and then go to specialty rooms. I often hang out with the FtM's. I used to go to the live parties at a safe house we all knew but the pandemic has stopped that. I used to wear dresses but not a wig or makeup so I enjoy getting a chance to present as Janey this way at least. They usually cost $10 to $25 bucks for donation/entry fee. There might be some slight screening though to make sure that people are on the up and up and agree not to photograph or discuss anything that they saw, very eyes wide shut style but I would love to see anyone interested in any of these.
 

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I know that I am old now. I thought that the women are reddit were real and not using facial imagery programs to look attractive. How disappointing. Everything about me is 100 percent real. So those women might as well only show from the neck down.... It ruins it for me if something is fake.
 

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Someone posted yesterday that Powers claims that with Bica you don't need duta anymore but in my personal experience, DHT in my face follicles can still cause DHT synthesis and dermatitis. My removed beard hasn't grown back but it got scratchier after desisting from spironolactone last May and then again at 12.5mg of oral min. Hence I halvede the dosage about a week ago.

One thing that I am not sure about is whether I should use female dosing for oral Min which generally maxes out at 2.5mg down to .25mg plus an AA like spironolactone or whether I should still use male dosing. Most of my meds, it doesn't matter because they are for XY MtF HRT but things like oral min might need to be adjusted.
Bica won't work for DHT unless DHT is in female range imo. Otherwise, the DHT can over power the bica because it has exponentially higher receptor binding affinity.
 

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I am just as curious. But one thing might be relevant risk related to cost/benefit analysis. Is this person testing? Has his face feminized? So there is both a safety issue and a feminization issue. We all know that increasing E2 has stereotypical facial and body effects and less so hair effects but yeah. Pretty much anyone okay with being "pretty" has a great shot at significant improvement hair-wise. @bridgeburn continued to go by male pronouns but he had far more breast growth than normal and his face got more and more female. He didn't even need beard removal as his beard started getting light and patchy on its own without removal which is rare. I highly doubt that he can pass as male now without losing those locks. I don't believe that HRT necessary turns a person female but anecdotally and not from me but from the boards, some claim increasing attraction to males as a side effect but this is probably just repressed feelings in my opinion. MtF on here indicates direction more so than identity, at least for me and my writings.

Anyone bald at first glance we take as male. It's an efficient system for making decisions about who might be dangerous in life and who isn't. White females instinctively, if not overtly, use height, beard growth and hair length to make snap decisions from a distance about gender. They are not trying to misgender anyone and it is silly when MtF's who are very tall or have stubble or short hair get upset if they are misgendered. Put on a dress or skirt and I promise such folks that they won't be misgendered. A boob job helps here too. As I often say, there's a reason why HRT for baldness for guys hasn't been a thing until hormones became widely available because it has been deemed impossible to use HRT for hair purposes without feminization and this has pretty much always been known. So maybe this is another situation where people need to try Serms or await other meds.
>put on a dress or skirt
I am not going to do this before I make some surgical repairs to my facial bones (double jaw surgery, reduction genioplasty, rhinoplasty, v-line, type 3 brow, lip lift, hairline). In the meantime I am going to stay in boymode hell because I do not wish to be visibly trans. In addition, wearing overtly female clothes gives me gender dysphoria unless I 100% cis pass in boymode already. I think I have a pretty good idea about what i need to fix; I've measured most parts of my face down to the millimeter (philtrum, mid face, interpupillary distance, mid face ratio, zygoma width, bigonial width, mandibular angle, chin height, chin width... lol)

Most Facial Feminization procedures are not aggressive enough because they don't target the upper jaw, just the lower jaw. And sometimes even then they only do shaving rather than T osteotomy with mandible contouring.
 

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I am still not completely sure of the distinction between gyno and breast development except gyno might halt at areola and nipple enlargement but that's all many girls get anyway.
I'm not sure that's true. Many mtfs have small boobs, but I wouldn't go as far as to say nipple and areola enlargement alone. Mine are small (A cup I guess) but there is still a clear breast outline below them, etc., it is not just puffy nipples.

Maybe this is because my chest bones are small though? If I had a more broad frame it may not look the way it does.
 

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From my experience, I will say that estradiol gel is the best means of hair restoration,a minimum of femenization, a maximum of hair restoration.Estradiol penetrates through the skin and begins to interact with the hair receptor.
 

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From my experience, I will say that estradiol gel is the best means of hair restoration,a minimum of femenization, a maximum of hair restoration.Estradiol penetrates through the skin and begins to interact with the hair receptor.
What dose of estrogel do you use? have you seen major feminiazation from just the gel or do you also take estradiol orally?
 

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I'm not sure that's true. Many mtfs have small boobs, but I wouldn't go as far as to say nipple and areola enlargement alone. Mine are small (A cup I guess) but there is still a clear breast outline below them, etc., it is not just puffy nipples.

Maybe this is because my chest bones are small though? If I had a more broad frame it may not look the way it does.
Well, I said I wasn't sure, lol. I think the guys might equate the two. I could use some more areola development but either my extensive protocol worked or I just got lucky with breast growth. I have asked a couple of questions regarding this on Reddit.
 

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Какую дозу эстрогеля вы используете? наблюдали ли вы значительную феминизацию от одного геля или вы также принимаете эстрадиол перорально?
I do not take estradiol orally,as it is converted into less active substances in the process of passing through the liver.I use 1.5 mg of estradiol in the gel,as it enters the bloodstream immediately and interacts with the scalp receptor.I used to take spironolactone.I stopped taking it and switched to a single gel.My result has not deteriorated at all.Spironolactone removes many minerals that your skin needs.Wrinkles are formed.
 

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From my experience, I will say that estradiol gel is the best means of hair restoration,a minimum of femenization, a maximum of hair restoration.Estradiol penetrates through the skin and begins to interact with the hair receptor.
That's been my hope for myself, well no longer, but for others. Estradiol might have very large localized effects when delivered parenterally.
 

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I miss all the old members from this thread. Ein, Bridge, Lindsay/DHTcel, Ikarus, Noah,... all inactive, can't gather good infos D:
 

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I miss all the old members from this thread. Ein, Bridge, Lindsay/DHTcel, Ikarus, Noah,... all inactive, can't gather good infos D:
Noah last posted about maybe two to three months ago. He's trying to see if using only duta will work for maintenance and things looked pretty good still. I am pretty sure his pics are still on here. Baba_yaga hangs on different threads. DHTcel requested to be banned, maybe so as not to be on here so much. Ikarus the same, I think. Bridge was last seen a couple of years ago. The site shows last time seen but people can peruse without signing in. I expect Noah to be back, hopefully as his progress is important to the community.
 
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Noah last posted about maybe two to three months ago. He's trying to see if using only duta will work for maintenance and things looked pretty good still. I am pretty sure his pics are still on here. Baba_yaga hangs on different threads. DHTcel requested to be banned, maybe so as not to be on here so much. Ikarus the same, I think. Bridge was last seen a couple of months ago. The site shows last time seen but people can peruse without signing in. I expect Noah to be back, hopefully as his progress is important to the community.
Noah needs to use bica + duta togetger!
 

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Sorry for the late reply. I'm really sure that my regimen didn't cause any sexual side effects. As far as feminization is concerned, the only thing I have to deal with is gynecomastia. I figured that the best way to deal with it is ignoring it. We have clothes to hide it, after all. I still am a male, completely, though I look a lot younger. The entire puberty was reversed, except for my scanty facial hair and the effects of growth hormone.
I can just agree here. I think his protocol is pretty much safe for the long term. Its full androgen blockage in a "healthy" way.
 
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