Folexen: New Hair Loss Treatment based on S-Equol

Sparky4444

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There was nothing that was going to stop these fine hairs from falling out....my shed isn't healthy hairs, it's the finer, thinner hairs that are hanging on by a thread...finasteride or dutasteride wouldn't have stopped those from falling out after a month...It does seem like my healthier hairs are a bit stronger...but I also take 500mg of Niacin a day as well...The shed of finer hairs could be from the laser helmet I built...I haven't put that thing on for months but a shed could result from the lasers

..I am NW3 diffuse thinning with a bullet...
 

The Natural

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Thanks guys, this has been a highly informative thread, I wish Jacob would have avoided turning the middle 50% of this into a e-police investigation.

Interesting statement coming from a 1-post "newbie." People usually wait until they have at least 10 posts under their belt before they begin criticizing members here, right Jacob.

It's like a rule. ;)
 

LawOfThelema

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ran out of my supply. i still have 30 gram of equol powder from group buy but havent started because i dont have a scale of that precision to measure the doses. but i dont know i will continue with equol. i may drop it, sell it to another member and get something more proven like RU 58841. shed seemed to be going up the last few days while i was taking 30 mg daily. dont know if thats a good or bad thing. increase shed can be good or bad. i may take 100 mg daily for a month and see if any change. if no change i have to drop.
 

Sparky4444

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...Interesting...went for a massage today and my RMT, out of blue, said "you're hair looks darker...getting you're winter coat already?"....I have definately noticed this myself....My sides and back, where I am not losing, is definately more bristly...Not sure if it's the Niacin or the Equol, since I started them roughly about the same time...Almost 2 months on Niacin, 500mg/day, and a little over a month on Equol...I think it's the Niacin...this stuff is supposed to be really, really good for you...
 

Aks20

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Ok guys time for an update from me, FWIW.

So...i started the equol again, a couple of weeks back as a topical after convincing myself (mainly through reading the posts in this thread) that the sides I had with the product would not be disastrous. Also, the fact that they went away relatively quickly first time they ramped up made me think of another shot. Next, I read a comment by Spex on BTT or someplace that advised folks getting on drugs to gradually taper it up to allow the body to adjust better to sides..

So based on that, I have been dissolving around 1.25 mg (roughly) of Folexen/day into alcohol, taking off the liquid part (though some of the starch crud does come along) and applying that to my hair daily.

Well, it has done little to thicken up my hair, and zero to no regrowth observed. I am a diffuse Norwood 3-V with rather largish patches in the crown.

But it has reduced my shedding and male pattern baldness itch.

Before Equol, I was using Eucapil - now even with that, I was losing like 4-5 large hairs every day, plus many tiny, small hairs from around the scalp. I only count those hairs where I apply the product to be fair. I am losing hair even at the "donor section" but since I dont apply the products there, its not accounted for.

After using this "topical", my shed has reduced to around 20% of the former.

Now, the not so great news. I still have sides, mostly around a slightly numb feeling "down there" and discomfort. Any attempt to raise the amount by me (of Equol) will logically increase the sides. But clearly, the sides mean that even topical, the Equol does go systemic and matches what Folexen rep on this thread said, about the molecule being small enough to go through the skin.

Overall, I wish this had come out earlier, at least as a topical, so I could have slowed down my aggressive hair loss till the (in) famous PGD2 blocker or whatever appeared.

Since at this amounts the Equol is clearly not doing much beyond just reducing shedding, I dont think I'll see rapid regrowth or propecia like success.

Basically, from what I can figure out Propecia/internals are so successful because by taking a single pill we nuke DHT to a complete stop and the half life is relatively large. Here, even via a topical, I'd have to take larger doses at different times during the day to mimic the effect.

I am now seriously thinking of getting the Neogenic thingy ...only thing I am unsure about is its safety profile? Using it for several years etc. Plus its way pricey.

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Another thing, days when I have huge stress or have lack of sleep, physical exhaustion - my male pattern baldness kicks in and I lose tons of hairs especially in the balding areas. The topical Equol hasnt been able to stop that. But it has reduced my daily shed otherwise by a significant portion. For those of you taking large amounts of Equol, if you are ok with maintenance and dont expect regrowth, this may be an option.

Best of luck!
 

Jacob

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Interesting statement coming from a 1-post "newbie." People usually wait until they have at least 10 posts under their belt before they begin criticizing members here, right Jacob.

It's like a rule. ;)

Ha..I didn't see that..thanks. I saw it being a newbie that did that long post so I didn't even bother reading it all. Singling me out..out of all those that are questioning things...seems kind of personal. Hmmmmmmm.....
 

ABJac

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Ha..I didn't see that..thanks. I saw it being a newbie that did that long post so I didn't even bother reading it all. Singling me out..out of all those that are questioning things...seems kind of personal. Hmmmmmmm.....

Whats the deal with "newbie" lol? Nobody here is new, we are all long time members of a much more substantial group.. the follicular(y) challenged. Wasn't calling you out jacob, take it easy.
 

LawOfThelema

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there is no way 1.25 mg of equol would cause sides or sensations in your genital area. sorry, its in your mind or its another health issue. its simply too mild, dose is simply too low, and you are using it topically.
 

Jasperdje

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Ok guys time for an update from me, FWIW.

So...i started the equol again, a couple of weeks back as a topical after convincing myself (mainly through reading the posts in this thread) that the sides I had with the product would not be disastrous. Also, the fact that they went away relatively quickly first time they ramped up made me think of another shot. Next, I read a comment by Spex on BTT or someplace that advised folks getting on drugs to gradually taper it up to allow the body to adjust better to sides..

So based on that, I have been dissolving around 1.25 mg (roughly) of Folexen/day into alcohol, taking off the liquid part (though some of the starch crud does come along) and applying that to my hair daily.

Well, it has done little to thicken up my hair, and zero to no regrowth observed. I am a diffuse Norwood 3-V with rather largish patches in the crown.

But it has reduced my shedding and male pattern baldness itch.

Before Equol, I was using Eucapil - now even with that, I was losing like 4-5 large hairs every day, plus many tiny, small hairs from around the scalp. I only count those hairs where I apply the product to be fair. I am losing hair even at the "donor section" but since I dont apply the products there, its not accounted for.

After using this "topical", my shed has reduced to around 20% of the former.

Now, the not so great news. I still have sides, mostly around a slightly numb feeling "down there" and discomfort. Any attempt to raise the amount by me (of Equol) will logically increase the sides. But clearly, the sides mean that even topical, the Equol does go systemic and matches what Folexen rep on this thread said, about the molecule being small enough to go through the skin.

Overall, I wish this had come out earlier, at least as a topical, so I could have slowed down my aggressive hair loss till the (in) famous PGD2 blocker or whatever appeared.

Since at this amounts the Equol is clearly not doing much beyond just reducing shedding, I dont think I'll see rapid regrowth or propecia like success.

Basically, from what I can figure out Propecia/internals are so successful because by taking a single pill we nuke DHT to a complete stop and the half life is relatively large. Here, even via a topical, I'd have to take larger doses at different times during the day to mimic the effect.

I am now seriously thinking of getting the Neogenic thingy ...only thing I am unsure about is its safety profile? Using it for several years etc. Plus its way pricey.

- - - Updated - - -

Another thing, days when I have huge stress or have lack of sleep, physical exhaustion - my male pattern baldness kicks in and I lose tons of hairs especially in the balding areas. The topical Equol hasnt been able to stop that. But it has reduced my daily shed otherwise by a significant portion. For those of you taking large amounts of Equol, if you are ok with maintenance and dont expect regrowth, this may be an option.

Best of luck!

Hey, great to read that you have a little help from equol. But i was wondering, do you use equol also oral? or only topical? Maybe when you use it oral, you can find stabilization.. i hope so.

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there is no way 1.25 mg of equol would cause sides or sensations in your genital area. sorry, its in your mind or its another health issue. its simply too mild, dose is simply too low, and you are using it topically.

Where do you read this?
 

Sparky4444

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there is no way 1.25 mg of equol would cause sides or sensations in your genital area. sorry, its in your mind or its another health issue. its simply too mild, dose is simply too low, and you are using it topically.

yeah...I really wonder about some people on this forum...and I don't know how the hell you can dissolve that stuff into any topical...at least what I got from Folexen...jeezus you guys, this isn't a drug, it's a food supplement and I doubt it's doing anything,...I also doubt there is 2.5mg Equol in each capsule
 

Jasperdje

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Have somebody side effects from equol? like.. swollen eyes and or face or something like that..
 

Gee

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Okay, just returned from my holiday in Croyde Bay, Devon. Beautiful place - would recommend it if you're ever in the area.

Spoke with Andrew at Folexen. They *sub-rent* lab space at the Australian Tech Park (so wouldn't necessarily show up on the STP website) and they have a handling/dispatch office at a separate address.

I think that's about as much "super-sleuthing" as I'm interested in for this product. I'll use it as directed, posting photos here after I finish each bottle for a space of six bottles. If it works - then great. If not - well.... nothing ventured nothing gained.

Still using it. No sides of any description. I'm maintaining, no shed, no regrowth.
 

Gee

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yeah...I really wonder about some people on this forum...and I don't know how the hell you can dissolve that stuff into any topical...at least what I got from Folexen...jeezus you guys, this isn't a drug, it's a food supplement and I doubt it's doing anything,...I also doubt there is 2.5mg Equol in each capsule

Indeed - but never the less, anxiety-provoked sides still feel real - and very distressing - in the mind of those experiencing them.

This is why I wanted to post my experiences with Folexen to date - to give people an objective-as-possible point of view on my interactions with them thus far.
 

Aks20

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there is no way 1.25 mg of equol would cause sides or sensations in your genital area. sorry, its in your mind or its another health issue. its simply too mild, dose is simply too low, and you are using it topically.

Not that simple I am afraid. If you look up the references earlier on in this thread - Equol does shrink the prostrate (which in turn causes its own effects "downstream") and DHT does affect the genital area. Now, each person is different physically and hence what may affect me may not affect you.

From what I remember, your male pattern baldness is also much less aggressive than mine. I have a few years on you but far more aggressive hair loss. Point is our bodies are different, our androgen balances could be different as well.

I am one of those unlucky folks who are sensitive to anti androgens. I experienced sides at 0.25 mg finasteride, just used twice or thrice, that too over a week! Things were so bad that I went to the medic for a check up (and I was told that the sides I experienced were "common" to many finasteride users, the marketing literature was rubbish and did not reflect actual user experiences since the doctor had seen worse than what had been reported so far, the doctor advised me to discontinue). It took them a fair while to disappear. Many others experience zero sides on finasteride. I know what I experienced and it was hardly in my mind. The discomfort was staggering. Equol symptoms for me were the same, but much much milder (still very irritating though).

So yes, 1.25mg can cause sides as far as I am concerned - note that my sides were pretty obvious at 5mg once a day and what I have now are a virtual repeat of the 2.5mg ones.


Gee said:
Hey, great to read that you have a little help from equol. But i was wondering, do you use equol also oral? or only topical? Maybe when you use it oral, you can find stabilization.. i hope so.

Oral - gave me sides at 5 mg. It was half the reccomended dosage so only way I could go ahead was a topical.

Sparx444 said:
yeah...I really wonder about some people on this forum...and I don't know how the hell you can dissolve that stuff into any topical...at least what I got from Folexen...jeezus you guys, this isn't a drug, it's a food supplement and I doubt it's doing anything,...I also doubt there is 2.5mg Equol in each capsule

Here we go again..

Read this thread from the beginning and you'll see my interactions with Folexen rep confirming that a topical can be made using alcohol or propylene glycol! Only issue are the fillers that they add to the powder!

And "this isnt a drug, its a food supplement", seriously? Boss, FYI, equol IS a drug. Its being marketed as such by several firms who are using it to treat BPH (enlarged prostrate). Its also in Phased clinical trials for drug authority approval, being held by AussioPharma across the world.

Before "wondering" about other folks, perhaps you could research a little?
 

alec baldwin

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So if I had some nasty sides while on finasteride, I'm quite likely to get them while taking equol? Law, what positive effects does it have on skin? Reduced oiliness, acne?
Today is my 33rd day of waiting for a big nice package with blue capsules.
 

LawOfThelema

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My scale arrived today. I just consumed 50 mg equol powder from the buy I was part of. Need to get some wine or something. Equol is not water soluable. Dose anyone have experience with gel cap filling machines? It'd be a pain in the *** to fill gel caps by hand, and I dont really feel like consuming alcohol every time I consume equol lol..

Aks, I suppose you are right. Sensitives vary among individuals.

^ It's been discussed as a component for cosmeceuticals for the skin. Antioxidant properties, maybe beneficial effects on collagen, among other things. Estrogens tend to have positive effects on skin if I'm not mistaken. S-equol exert action via the estrogen receptor beta. Look it up on google scholar, I don't have the ref handy.
 

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Law when I was using Toco powder I would dump it into my orange juice every morning. I wouldn't mix it or anything, I would skull the OJ with the powder in one go.
 
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