I Am 18. Ashamed To Leave The House. 1 Year Since I Noticed Severe Balding.

[alibaba92]

Fair enough. I won’t fear monger against finasteride.
Frankly I don’t see any reason someone couldn’t try finasteride for a week and see how they feel.

My only issue in this situation is that DHT is responsible for secondary sexual characteristics so a growing young man is at more risk.

Well, as someone already pointed out, one may experience 0 side for 10 years and then one day in the 11th year, the side hit him real hard.... So, finasteirde user, should thank god since the side has not hit them yet.

 

[Mighty]

You must supremely stupid.

Yes a drug that castrates him. Let me what sides he could expect:
Smaller penis
Higher pitched voice
Narrower shoulder blades
Mental effects - depression, etc
Nervous system damage
Perpetually low DHT or androgen receptors in the body
Low Testosterone

I guess most men have their penis size "stable" by the time they decide to use finastride or not. Same for shoulder blades.

You wrote your opinion. There is nothing wrong with that. Now, tell the kid who wrote this forum his other options. Try being as sincere as you are being about finasteride. Explain sincerely how none of those options will work satisfactorily. Also, explain how long ppl have being waiting for a treatment better than finasteride. Then, let the kid do his choice.

 

[Arrade]

I guess most men have their penis size "stable" by the time they decide to use finastride or not. Same for shoulder blades.

You wrote your opinion. There is nothing wrong with that. Now, tell the kid who wrote this forum his other options. Try being as sincere as you are being about finasteride. Explain sincerely how none of those options will work satisfactorily. Also, explain how long ppl have being waiting for a treatment better than finasteride. Then, let the kid do his choice.

I mean, Trinov will be for sale in less than a month... which would probably regrow or maintain his perfectly acceptable head of hair as it is.
I also think you are wrong about penis growth, it its determined by DHT which reaches its peak at age 25, men's shoulder blades dont fuse til 21 and their voice continues to develop til 30.

@op try trinov before finasteride, you hair is only nw1 it looks like, I imagine you will be cured and at risk for less sides

 

[ScaredOfBalding]

In regards to the Tosti et al study #49:
"a brief, reliable questionnaire, was self-administered to 236 patients taking Propecia and 236 age-matched males attending the Department of Dermatology of the University of Bologna."
So you asked men to tattle on themselves if they Have ED. Not sure that could be entirely reliable.

Your link listed #34:
"Sexual AEs are reported in clinical trials at rates of 2.1% to 38%. The most common sexual AE is ED, followed by EjD and decreased libido. These effects occur early in therapy and attenuate over time. A proposed mechanism for sexual dysfunction involves decreased nitric oxide synthase activity due to decreased dihydrotestosterone."
- I'm sorry but looking at that link I see no mention of a placebo effect or anything about counseling in the use of finasteride, #34 discusses literature review

In study #41:
"One hundred seven patients completed the study. Group 2 patients (N = 55) reported a significant higher proportion of one or more sexual side effects as compared to group 1 (N = 52) (43.6% vs. 15.3%) (P = 0.03)."
-Now this is the study that discusses that almost double the number of reported sexual side effects from those who were counseled about those side effects.
However, you still have 15% of users mentioning sexual side effects who could not have been betrayed to a nocebo effect; they received no counseling.

#50 is your strongest study, another self administered questionnaire. I am impressed they had so low numbers in negative side effects in this one.

"We did not evaluate changes in the ejaculate volume in this study because this subject is not assessed by the questionnaire, although decrease in ejaculate volume is not rare in our experience." from study #50.

Ur such a joke. U claim to be scientific but yet u follow unscientific methods such as decalcification and fail to comprehend simple scientific literature. Can u pls go crawl back where u belong aka on PFS foundation.

 

[ScaredOfBalding]

I mean, Trinov will be for sale in less than a month... which would probably regrow or maintain his perfectly acceptable head of hair as it is.
I also think you are wrong about penis growth, it its determined by DHT which reaches its peak at age 25, men's shoulder blades dont fuse til 21 and their voice continues to develop til 30.

@op try trinov before finasteride, you hair is only nw1 it looks like, I imagine you will be cured and at risk for less sides

That's a nw1? Are u blind? He has diffuse thinned all over. A few more years and he will be completely bald.

 

[Arrade]

Ur such a joke. U claim to be scientific but yet u follow unscientific methods such as decalcification and fail to comprehend simple scientific literature. Can u pls go crawl back where u belong aka on PFS foundation.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/256511
“baldness occurred in people where calcification of the skull bones apparently not only firmly knitted the cranial sutures but also closed or narrowed various small foramens through which blood vessels pass“.

I know for a fact you don't do any research. Go ahead and sign a teen up for hormone poison because he has barely "diffuse thinning"

 

[abcdefg]

Well, as someone already pointed out, one may experience 0 side for 10 years and then one day in the 11th year, the side hit him real hard.... So, finasteirde user, should thank god since the side has not hit them yet.

I wouldnt imply that all users will ever get hit with sides though. Again there are 10 year studies that followed men using it for 10 years and most did not get ANY major sides worth reporting. Look up the studies. Saying things like this is a bit of fear mongering. Your right that sides are always possible, but just keep the facts about the incidence of sides in mind. They are still very very unlikely even at 10 years. If 90 percent of men got sides within 10 years it would not be on the market still
Everything is about probabilities and statistics its just medicine does not give us very many or very good ones.

 

[Arrade]

I wouldnt imply that all users will ever get hit with sides though. Again there are 10 year studies that followed men using it for 10 years and most did not get ANY major sides worth reporting. Look up the studies. Saying things like this is a bit of fear mongering. Your right that sides are always possible, but just keep the facts about the incidence of sides in mind. They are still very very unlikely even at 10 years. If 90 percent of men got sides within 10 years it would not be on the market still
Everything is about probabilities and statistics its just medicine does not give us very many or very good ones.

There was definitely studies posted that it builds in your cerebral fluid and downgrades androgen receptors over time. You're more likely to have sides the longer you're one it

 

[eMPowrd]

So yeah the only thing I hopped on was minoxidil and Dermaroller 1.5 mm. But I am shedding so much and I know it is normal, but this much in the morning?

Do any of these hairs grow back? I mean not only after the shedding stops, but meanwhile with the treatment. Do any of these ever come back? Or grow at the same time while I apply minoxidil?

 

[Arrade]

So yeah the only thing I hopped on was minoxidil and Dermaroller 1.5 mm. But I am shedding so much and I know it is normal, but this much in the morning?

Do any of these hairs grow back? I mean not only after the shedding stops, but meanwhile with the treatment. Do any of these ever come back? Or grow at the same time while I apply minoxidil?

Minoxidil often causes sheds but it should grow back. To be honest I think minoxidil is unhealthy, I think it makes you less healthy and causes hairloss initially which is the shed, but then through the mechanics of the drug it brings back the lost hair and regrows some.
Meanwhile your skin ages faster as it reduces collagen and it can cause heart issues and lower DHT which has its own side effects.

Minoxidil is decent for longer term like 4+ months as you may regrow some hair past baseline and maintain. The shed is normal.

 

[Arrade]

Thanks a lot arrade for those informations. When you have time, could you send the link of the study showing those side effects ? It's quite interesting.

Lowering DHT
https://hrcak.srce.hr/file/284618
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4039155/


Reducing collagen (I read once it suppresses type II collagen production)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2826267
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1546087

Heart issues is listed as a side effect on the box ( through its acts as a hypertensive treatment)

 

[Arrade]

My theory is that because minxidil lowers DHT, this in turn increases estrogen in the blood. Excess blood levels of estrogen causes inflammation, which speeds up male pattern baldness.
Eventually the inflammation subsides as the body adjusts to minxodil, or it simply doesn't matter because the breaking down of fibrosis and increase in bloodflow from the vasodilation bring more hair back to life.

Of course, the hair is technically doomed so any regrowth is "zombie like" and only stays around so long as you use minoxidil. Once you quit minoxidil it's possible your health will be worse because of the side effects and you will have more hair loss than you started.

 

[Arrade]

Though I guess depending on how your body reacts, it could slow down and prevent balding by preventing fibrosis from occurring and keeping blood flow good. I take back what I said, used long enough it could help keep hair though I personally would't use it

 

[ScaredOfBalding]

My theory is that because minxidil lowers DHT, this in turn increases estrogen in the blood. Excess blood levels of estrogen causes inflammation, which speeds up male pattern baldness.
Eventually the inflammation subsides as the body adjusts to minxodil, or it simply doesn't matter because the breaking down of fibrosis and increase in bloodflow from the vasodilation bring more hair back to life.

Of course, the hair is technically doomed so any regrowth is "zombie like" and only stays around so long as you use minoxidil. Once you quit minoxidil it's possible your health will be worse because of the side effects and you will have more hair loss than you started.

U already make mistakes in your first sentence. I don't get why you are not getting banned, atleast from this subforum with ur clear broscience and random theories. Not a single study u mentioned shows how minoxodil lowers systemic DHT, so how exactly would estrogen be increased in the blood? My god u need help.

 

[Arrade]

U already make mistakes in your first sentence. I don't get why you are not getting banned, atleast from this subforum with ur clear broscience and random theories. Not a single study u mentioned shows how minoxodil lowers systemic DHT, so how exactly would estrogen be increased in the blood? My god u need help.

I linked a study saying it lowered Type 2 5 alpha reductase which is what makes your dht.
I hope you understand this, since reducing alpha reductase is the sole action of finasteride.

It's not brosciece, I linked two scientific studies

Unless your point is it only acts an an anti androgen in the skin. If minoxidil only acted in the skin, why does it cause heart palpitations, listed clearly on the box?

I actually add to this forum, here I am showing you all scientific information about minoxidil. @ScaredOfBalding sounds like you are a coward who wants to live in denial, if you've added anything to the forum please feel free to show me

 

[eMPowrd]

I am so confused right now I do not know who to trust so I will explain myself

There is the side that says “I should go on finasteride,minxodil and dermaroller”. I did minoxidil 5% and dermaroller 1.5 mm.
I do not want to mess up my hormones though, I just need my hair while I’m young at least. It is so unnatural for a 18 year old to be bald or semibald.

To the side saying “I should not even use minoxidil”...what should I use then? Should I just accept my fate being bald at the age of 19/20? I do not want that. I will take my chances to save my hair at least for a while.
I am not the kind that jerks off all day and sits in his room without any social contacts.
I go to the gym, I want a good body to compensate for the baldness later.
I meditate, I take care of myself and I am a very friendly, confident and positive person.

Point is, I try to make the best of life as I can.

 

[Arrade]

Idk why u wouldn’t try trinov first

 

[Arrade]

I am so confused right now I do not know who to trust so I will explain myself

There is the side that says “I should go on finasteride,minxodil and dermaroller”. I did minoxidil 5% and dermaroller 1.5 mm.
I do not want to mess up my hormones though, I just need my hair while I’m young at least. It is so unnatural for a 18 year old to be bald or semibald.

To the side saying “I should not even use minoxidil”...what should I use then? Should I just accept my fate being bald at the age of 19/20? I do not want that. I will take my chances to save my hair at least for a while.
I am not the kind that jerks off all day and sits in his room without any social contacts.
I go to the gym, I want a good body to compensate for the baldness later.
I meditate, I take care of myself and I am a very friendly, confident and positive person.

Point is, I try to make the best of life as I can.

You try to make your life the best you can but male hormones control the health of your body, as well as important brain chemicals.
It's likely you could feel less confident or impair your development with this drug.

That's why I recommend trying Trinov first as it may be strong enought to get you Nw0 with less sides

 

[ScaredOfBalding]

Idk why u wouldn’t try trinov first

Cuz it doesn't work.

 

[Arrade]

Cuz it doesn't work.

Hmm yes you tried it yourself