I am scared because of post finasteride syndrome…

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If you get sides from Finasteride which blocks less DHT than Dutasteride, and keeping in mind the blocking of DHT is the main cause of side effects, most people who do get sides in Finasteride are likely to get sides from Dutasteride as well, if not worse. But not everyone.
I am talking about avoiding the crash that could happen when you stop, since I couldn't find anyone complaining about pfs after using duta, maybe because it tapers off with its long half life.
 

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Hi

I read all the stuff about post finasteride syndrome etc … and I psychosomatically have myself side effects . Then one day I had a busy day at work and realised with my mind occupied I didn’t have the ‘sides’. Therefore , for me , it was all in my head . I’ve been on finasteride 0.5mg a day for four years And over month ago went up to 1mg a day as starting to lose at the crown . I’ve been fine and had no sides ever , bar the psychosomatic ones I had in the first two weeks .
 

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Definitely not worth it. PFS is true.

And the possibility of Finasteride making your hair worse instead of better + getting PFS which may be irreversible is the reason I would never advise it.

Rather stick to stuff like Minoxidil + Microneedling until 2023 when Breezula and Kintor Pharmaceuticals treatment called Pyrilutamide comes out and does what Finasteride wished it could do and probably without the side effects.
Woah, there is a new treatment coming 2023?
 

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Definitely not worth it. PFS is true.

And the possibility of Finasteride making your hair worse instead of better + getting PFS which may be irreversible is the reason I would never advise it.

Rather stick to stuff like Minoxidil + Microneedling until 2023 when Breezula and Kintor Pharmaceuticals treatment called Pyrilutamide comes out and does what Finasteride wished it could do and probably without the side effects.
Just because you had a bad experience with finasteride doesn't mean that everyone will. I have never had a problem with it and millions of men have not had a problem, There are also people on this forum who have been taking it for over 20 years. OP, if you don't take finasteride or dutasteride, you will go bald, minoxidil by itself might buy you a few years if it even works at all. Min doesn't prevent balding all it does is promote growth and you will lose all your gains eventually as DHT continues to kill your follicles. You could try topical finasteride if you are scared of taking oral finasteride.
 

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Hi

I read all the stuff about post finasteride syndrome etc … and I psychosomatically have myself side effects . Then one day I had a busy day at work and realised with my mind occupied I didn’t have the ‘sides’. Therefore , for me , it was all in my head . I’ve been on finasteride 0.5mg a day for four years And over month ago went up to 1mg a day as starting to lose at the crown . I’ve been fine and had no sides ever , bar the psychosomatic ones I had in the first two weeks .

Since you had no sides after the first 2 weeks you probably never had sides to begin with. Also, almost no one has any noticeable sides in the first two weeks. So yes you were just a case of someone who did not get sides. However, many people do get sides which are real.
 

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Just because you had a bad experience with finasteride doesn't mean that everyone will. I have never had a problem with it and millions of men have not had a problem, There are also people on this forum who have been taking it for over 20 years. OP, if you don't take finasteride or dutasteride, you will go bald, minoxidil by itself might buy you a few years if it even works at all. Min doesn't prevent balding all it does is promote growth and you will lose all your gains eventually as DHT continues to kill your follicles. You could try topical finasteride if you are scared of taking oral finasteride.
And just because you had a positive experience with it doesn't mean everyone will either. Millions have also gotten side effects.

Finasteride doesn't prevent balding for many people either. Blocking DHT isn't a true solution. If it were, they'd be a majority of men with good heads of hair and that is the furthest thing from the truth, obviously.

And I shared a link of a thread which contains loads of studies which prove not only is it my experience but loads of legitimate studies and verified medical professionals who also agree with me.

I've already taken oral Finasteride btw, and topical Finasteride isn't going to prevent it from going systemic and causing the same side effects.
 
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Doubtful … new things have been promised over the years and nothing comes to fruition , just finasteride dutasteride and min

Have you seen the technology we have available nowadays? It's insanely greater than the technology we had before.

Gene Editing using CRISPR, mRNA are just a few names who are very reasonably likely to create cures or extremely effective treatments at the least.

Kintor Pharmaceuticals is already got 2 treatments in clinical trials doing dual trials in 2 countries and flying through the clinical trials process faster than any treatment for Hairloss has ever done before.

Pretty easy to tell we're far closer now than ever before.
 

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I agree we are closer and my lord id like there to be a cure or a complete regrowth treatment soon but I’ve seen it all too many times and got far too excited in the past at my extreme disappointment lol Maybe I’m just scarred lol
 

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First of all claiming Dutasteride is "far superior than finasteride", is just plain wrong at most it can produce marginally better hair outcomes. To answer why Dutasteride didn't progress into phase 3 is quite simple. We know it isn't because of side effects as the incidence isn't any higher than finasteride when looking at clinical RCT data, so you can bet GSK management knew full well they'd very likely gain marketing authorisation from regulators should they have chosen to progress to trials. What likely caused them to cease funding was just down to it under performing in their eyes, not producing outcomes that were that much better than finasteride and with Propecia seen as a commercial failure by analyst at the time the financial risk would have been to high.
Did you even bother to read the studies results of the phase 2 dutasteride for Androgenetic Alopecia ?!
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That is hair count in your left. Did you understand it or I should explain it to you ? Let me explain you , Dutasteride 2.5mg vs finasteride ( 5 times the dose for Androgenetic Alopecia) give 60 % more hair count ! If you don't understand that this are far superior than finasteride, simple you didn't even read the study or you are to stupid to understand it.
 

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Lack of clinical evidence that would suggests it is as dangerous as hysterical forum users would have us believe.
Why ? read the VIOXX scandal . The same board of people in merck push it during the same time , actually 2 years later . So simple like that . Merck hide evidence like they did on VIOXX . Secondly, more than 25 years passed since the original studies where conducted, tons of more information tons of more studies . It is on pubmed, you just need read it .
Again, you are 25 years, at least, late dude. Welcome to 2021.
 

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No males are growing significant hair at all after about 25 years old so most of this is a waste of time. Microneedling grows hair and it grows it better with retin-A and topical minoxidil as carriers.

I take finasteride and duta and I can't even tell that I take them except they turned me trans! Oy vey! Finasteride is the gateway drug to being a tranny. Check and see. We all take it and it is covered by insurance....
 

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Because they’re liars.
Every single person at the entire agency is a liar? Tell us some more agencies to be aware of. Do we want more hair meds or fewer? Because seeing the refusal to create new meds as some sort of conspiracy makes zero sense. People believe what they want and I frankly don't care but for most people the side effects of finasteride are likely to be so meager as not to even consider as a basis for avoiding them. But maybe caring about hair in general is effeminate; going bald is a very male thing so for those folks, it's better to be bald than take a chance on finasteride. But I would never, ever have avoided finasteride and I never had any side effects unless finasteride turned me trans and then, oh vey! As they say....
 

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Every single person at the entire agency is a liar? Tell us some more agencies to be aware of. Do we want more hair meds or fewer? Because seeing the refusal to create new meds as some sort of conspiracy makes zero sense. People believe what they want and I frankly don't care but for most people the side effects of finasteride are likely to be so meager as not to even consider as a basis for avoiding them. But maybe caring about hair in general is effeminate; going bald is a very male thing so for those folks, it's better to be bald than take a chance on finasteride. But I would never, ever have avoided finasteride and I never had any side effects unless finasteride turned me trans and then, oh vey! As they say....
Hey Mr, did you ever consider wearing a wig? Serious question. I know you looked like a convicted child rapist before but even after all your efforts your hair isn’t exactly feminine. It’s a mess. I know your mind is far from stable but ah why am I even responding to you.
 

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No males are growing significant hair at all after about 25 years old so most of this is a waste of time. Microneedling grows hair and it grows it better with retin-A and topical minoxidil as carriers.

I take finasteride and duta and I can't even tell that I take them except they turned me trans! Oy vey! Finasteride is the gateway drug to being a tranny. Check and see. We all take it and it is covered by insurance....
It is not even funny. Lets say you have a reduction in 50 % of your hearth functionality ? you will be death ? No, so according to you, that is a healthy scenario .
Again, If you need to remove almost all your androgens to became a tranny, and if you remove one by a 70 % , yes, you are not a tranny, but neither a 100 % healthy male .
If you think that became a tranny will not give you sides, you are extremly wrong, specially, if you are doing by using drugs instead of surgery to remove your testicles .
Worst part it, we already know how to stop hair loss with side effects, the thing is how to stop it without side effects.
 

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It is not even funny. Lets say you have a reduction in 50 % of your hearth functionality ? you will be death ? No, so according to you, that is a healthy scenario .
Again, If you need to remove almost all your androgens to became a tranny, and if you remove one by a 70 % , yes, you are not a tranny, but neither a 100 % healthy male .
If you think that became a tranny will not give you sides, you are extremly wrong, specially, if you are doing by using drugs instead of surgery to remove your testicles .
Worst part it, we already know how to stop hair loss with side effects, the thing is how to stop it without side effects.
I have no issues with stopping hair loss. My issue is how fast it keeps coming in and when to declare victory and move on to my next challenge. Estrogen has a whole range of beneficial health effects and rejuvenation effects and virtually all trannies note these things, not to mention you lose the male sex-obsession which I had had 35 years of and was quite weary with. I have put my pics up, before, after, high school, college, 40's and 50's pics and pics from all stages and with wig, for you system people so anyone looking at me can see that it's not just the hair, it will lead to androgyny and it did to @bridgeburn heavily even though he wasn't "transgender". But I do agree that even if someone on HRT says they aren't trans, they still think much more psychologically like a woman. Sex becomes nice but non-compulsive and most of us can't plow anyway so SRS vel non doesn't come into play.

What I do agree with about estrogen and not finasteride, is that estrogen is a mind-f*** and if you grow tits and can't handle it, then that's the price. So I shoot for youngish androgyny to the extent that I can; it's a Greek and Roman classical archetype for many gods like Dionysus and Hermes and many other gods and heroes from Atlantis as well, those beautiful sailors sailing to the South....

Way down below the ocean, is where I want to be, like a mermaid with my hair undulating in the current with my dolphin-like body. Everyone should have a goal in terms of attractiveness and then work the hair protocol around that. Just shooting for some sprouts is not worth it in terms of payback for those seeking male, female or others as partners. With male treatments, you will still be old, if you are in fact, like me, pretty old at almost 57. I got over my inhibitions when it was clear my hair was coming in so I post everything I have going back and even the ones that I never, ever would have put into human sight without an incredible transformation. The blessed have an obligation to share so people can see everything, the tits, the hips, the face and hoefully, the hair.


There's a novel in all of this and you, Comrade Booker are a classic character type on the fora, as well will be all of the kvetching by everybody on hair, about how they can't slay anymore without hair and all of the gloom and it turns out that only one thing works and it's E2. Otherwise you get a few tiny sprouts of hair on here from RU486 and people go mad with kvelling and pic posting and I never can see any difference. I think though with oral min, microneedling once a week forever and finasteride for those who will take it, might grow back cosmetically significant amounts of hair but otherwise, it appears I am the only one on here getting Bridge-like results which makes sense since I partially copied his process while adding microneedling at least one a week for 24 months now. These are roughly in order the last six years. What do they have in common? Janey looks better than her alter in the wig pretty quickly but growing one's own hair takes a lot of time. The bald pictures are from almost exactly two years ago when I started microneedling and then moving to high-dose estrogen.

This is the greatest thrill of my life and to that extent, I get why guys are on here all of the time but you have to decide what you want. I want to be androgynously attractive and to look much younger than "I" used to but I don't think in terms of gender anymore. But to anyone inclined this way, it's so, so sweet, like starting over again back at 17 in the first pic, which I think is all but in with all of the tiny white hairs in the temples that finally burst through and people say nothing works for the temples but some things must she says and Will does too. <Both wink>


INFORMAL•NORTH AMERICAN
verb
gerund or present participle: kvetching
  1. complain.
    "Jane's kvetching about her crummy existence"
 

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