I don't put a lot of stock in wild claims that aren't backed up by any research. Since you asked though, I will tell you, my crystal ball(deductive reasoning) tells me that we have to wait at least until Replicel or Follica are available to have a better treatment. For a cure we have to wait for the Riken center to perfect hair multiplication.
Italian Hair Loss Lotion To Hit The Market In 2016
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I don't put a lot of stock in wild claims that aren't backed up by any research. Since you asked though, I will tell you, my crystal ball(deductive reasoning) tells me that we have to wait at least until Replicel or Follica are available to have a better treatment. For a cure we have to wait for the Riken center to perfect hair multiplication.
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You are indulging in irrational levels of skepticism.
1) Bim working the same as minoxidil doesn't make it useless. It might work in different people, it might be complementary, and they have not figured out the dose. It's a promising avenue.
2) Same with SM. When did it die?
3) Seti does not need to outperform finasteride. It will have different side effects so it can work in that manner. Notice how for anti-depressants there are dozens of drugs, because the side effect profile matters. It might also be complementary.
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Deductive reasoning isn't saying "all past treatments have failed, so this one will too." That's called unfounded cynicism.
Deductive reasoning is looking at the ingredients and understanding that nothing in this lotion is a cure.
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And you are indulging in irrational levels of optimism.
1.If there was nothing else on the horizon I'd agree with you. It's useless because by the time it comes out there will be better options.
2.Samumed has never been coy about their progress. All of a sudden after phase IIb they have gone silent. Why? It obviously didn't meet expectations.
3.See number 1 again.
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Except you have no clue if these ingredients will work because they have never been incorporated into a treatment before. Don't you think a world renowned vascular surgeon knows just a bit more than you do?
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When it comes to hair loss, I've come across dermatologists that are more clueless than some members on this board. Knowing the med biz a little, I'd give a scalpel jockey even less credit.
But really, just wait and see. At least it's a decent distraction in the meantime.
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I agree. But to be fair, I would put much more faith in a vascular surgeon than I would a dermatologist. Dermatologists are almost on the level of chiropractors.
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Kind of irrelevant to this topic. You'd have more success posting that news bit in the "The Impact of Hair loss" sub-forum.
Angela Christiano is working on a topical lotion for male pattern baldness? Any thread on this?
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Absolutely, I stress the word renowned.
Brotzu is a brilliant doctor, I'm sure he wouldn't risk his reputation on this.
Nobody expects this to be a miracle cure but if the new lotion is at least as good as minoxidil, I will definitely buy it.
No one has ever tried rubbing cream of mushroom soup all over their head either, but based on what I know about this disease it would be fruitless. I have never heard of this guy before, so what makes him such a "world renowned surgeon"? You are young, so I understand your tendency is to take people at their word. Stick around a while, and you will see a lot of "world renowned" doctors, scientists, and other so-called "experts" touting snake oils. And if you ever get into the world of finance, you will go broke betting on scams from "world renowned experts" with "impeccable credentials". I'm sorry, you seem like a good guy, but you're still naive.
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If I had a dollar for every time I heard that one before.
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I'm not surprised you've never heard of a world renown vascular surgeon. I guarantee that you can't name ANY vascular surgeons off the top of your head. You should understand why YOU having not heard of him isn't a good meter with which to judge his reputation and prestige. You seem so certain that these ingredients have no bearing on androgenic alopecia, which makes me wonder if you know the slightest thing about this disease. Minoxidil, which has been a staple in the big three for decades, works as a vasilodator that can stimulate hair to grow. PGE1/Carnitine works in a similar but more targeted manner. The only question is that of whether minoxidil's effectiveness is due to it's manipulation of potassium channels or it's vasilodative power. These ingredients are not the medical equivalent of cream of mushroom soup. You saying that is just a misrepresentation of my stance in this thread. And you acting like age and experience has made you wise and discerning is not only a joke, it's a false appeal to authority. If age and experience has made you so wise, then why do you keep displaying such ignorance when it comes to the science of hair loss. If anything, your lack of knowledge on the subject, given your age, should make you feel pretty pathetic. It seems you're the naive one in this situation. Naive enough to mistake your ignorance for a useful and educated opinion.
This is assuming I'm uneducated on the "world of finance". You act like this is some divine wisdom. This might mean something if I was investing in penny stocks. Here's a tip for you bud. Invest in blue chip stocks or maybe just to stick mutual funds, assuming you even have the disposable income.
This is assuming I'm uneducated on the "world of finance". You act like this is some divine wisdom. This might mean something if I was investing in penny stocks. Here's a tip for you bud. Invest in blue chip stocks or maybe just to stick mutual funds, assuming you even have the disposable income.
His father was also a Nobel Prize nominee:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Brotzu
I mean, of course everything is possible, but would a respected Doctor in his 80's from a famous family of great reputation file a patent for snake oil? And why would Fidia buy it?
If someone comes out with a scam they usually sell the product themselves and not conduct years of research and file a patent that get's bought by a big pharma company.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Brotzu
I mean, of course everything is possible, but would a respected Doctor in his 80's from a famous family of great reputation file a patent for snake oil? And why would Fidia buy it?
If someone comes out with a scam they usually sell the product themselves and not conduct years of research and file a patent that get's bought by a big pharma company.
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Pegasus doesn't have a clue. "never argue with stupid people they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"
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I emailed Fidia, this is their response from the communications department. I asked how soon will the lotion be available for the public to purchase. This is the response. Dear Mr Martinez Fidia just began a clinical trial, with a defined protocol, focusing on a specific formulation suitable for industrial scaling-up. Regretfully, we are not able to figure out in advance the formulation’s effectiveness and tolerability, that shall be demonstrated during the trial, with statistical significance and clinical relevance.The trial panel has already been defined and we cannot further improve the number of patients included. Neither exact launch plans nor time-to-market priorities have been defined for the product yet. We will keep you abreast of the company’s future steps in this concern. Please, do not hesitate to contact us if you have any further questions on the subject. Cordially yours.Elena FedeliResponsabile ComunicazioneFidia farmaceutici S.p.A.Via Ponte della Fabbrica 3/A - 35031 Abano Terme (PD) - ItalyTel. (+39) 049 8232111 - Fax (+39) 049 810653
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I emailed Fidia, This is their response.
Dear Mr Martinez
Fidia just began a clinical trial, with a defined protocol, focusing on a specific formulation suitable for industrial scaling-up.
Regretfully, we are not able to figure out in advance the formulation’s effectiveness and tolerability, that shall be demonstrated during the trial, with statistical significance and clinical relevance.
The trial panel has already been defined and we cannot further improve the number of patients included.
Neither exact launch plans nor time-to-market priorities have been defined for the product yet.
We will keep you abreast of the company’s future steps in this concern.
Please, do not hesitate to contact us if you have any further questions on the subject.
Cordially yours.
Dear Mr Martinez
Fidia just began a clinical trial, with a defined protocol, focusing on a specific formulation suitable for industrial scaling-up.
Regretfully, we are not able to figure out in advance the formulation’s effectiveness and tolerability, that shall be demonstrated during the trial, with statistical significance and clinical relevance.
The trial panel has already been defined and we cannot further improve the number of patients included.
Neither exact launch plans nor time-to-market priorities have been defined for the product yet.
We will keep you abreast of the company’s future steps in this concern.
Please, do not hesitate to contact us if you have any further questions on the subject.
Cordially yours.