Masturbation and Hairloss, personal experience + 4 m results

[ripple-effect]

For intelligent people:

What is an Internet Troll/ Forum troll?
An "Internet troll" or "Forum Troll" is a person who posts outrageous message to bait people to answer. Forum Troll delights in sowing discord on the forums. A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is purposely provoking and pulling people into flaming discussion. Flaming discussions usually end with name calling and a flame war.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee/forums/a/ ... 1991023353

For bubka to hopefully understand(taken from the urban dictionary):

Definition of Forum troll:
1.) Someone who gets pleasure by typing annoying/controversial/of fensive words at strangers on internet forums, for them to read.

2.) A forum troll is someone who actively watches a forum. Not to be confused with a lurker, or just a forum frequenter, the troll annoys, pesters, and generally insults any thread they open.

3.) Somebody who patrols an interweb forum or message board and uses childish tactics and droll wit. An absolute detriment to the intelegence to an internet group or society as a whole.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... orum+troll

How to deal with a forum troll?

Experienced participants in online forums know that the most effective way to discourage a troll is usually to ignore him or her, because responding encourages a true troll to continue disruptive posts — hence the often-seen warning "Please do not feed the troll".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

 

[Maxpwr]

Masturbation does not cause hairloss. There is no scientific evidence to support this crap.

How contradictory is that? Where's the scientific evidence that it doesn't cause hair loss? Exactly, cause in your mind it's okay because you are also in denial just like the rest.

You are definitely not worth the effort required for this debate. For one thing, when it comes to research, you cannot prove a negative such as "scientific evidence that it doesn't cause hair loss" - that's just ridiculous.

Reading this, as well as your previous posts on the matter, I am happily confident that I do not need to explain or argue with you any further on this matter. If you were willing to do some research yourself you would find, quite easily, that YOU are the one in denial, just because we are speaking common sense... common sense and FACT which goes against whatever prejudices and beliefs you obviously hold dear. You were very quick to defend the views expressed in the first post, however you didn't even read it through in its entirety before posting your opinions. So you're not really worth arguing with if you aren't going to even take a rational approach from the start. I don't feel I should waste my time explaining myself to someone like you.

Not meaning to try and have the last word here, but I only feel justified in holding a debate with someone who is willing to put in a bit of groundwork to justify such a strong rebuttal to our attacks. I feel totally justified in my attacks to these posts and do not wish to withdraw any of my previous comments on this topic.

hah, Denial... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: ....you're pathetic.

 

[Guest]

I really don't see what's wrong with bringing this topic up. The rate that this topic is brought up isn't as high as alot of other topics out there. People have a right to be annoyed, but if you know a topic like this is going to annoy you then why open it in the first place? Go to the threads that deal with treatments if that's what you're looking for.

The sad fact is, some of the people on this forum are uncivilized savages incapable of reasoned discussion without resorting to hostility and personal insults. They are utterly incapable of respecting the fact that some people simply have an honest difference of opinion.

These are the same kind of people who troll for posts and threads they disagree with, with the intent of starting an argument or conflict under the guise of "discussion". It's simply a convenient cloak under which to project their latent hostility and hatred onto someone else, ostensibly for "making a bad post".

They do this while pretending that the conflict is really about the topic at hand, when in many cases, it's really not, and has more to do with a frustrated or hateful persons covert agenda to dump their negative energy onto someone else. Often for no real reason, except that they are craven souls in need of a convenient dumping ground for their pent up hostility and frustration.

Since they are too weak to deal with their own negative emotions, and too dishonest to ask for help, they selfishly look to dump their garbage onto someone else in the form of personal insults and hostility, packaged as "discussion"... a little sugar to make the poison go down smoother.

It's so blatantly obvious in many cases, that it would be infuriating if it weren't so contemptably pathetic.

 

[docj077]

I really like how people can put two things together, because one is seen as religiously immoral and the other is viewed as punishment.

The whole argument here is that excessive masturbation causes nutritional and mineral deficiency. Impossible.

Here is the majority of the chemical make-up of human semen:

Amino Acids
Citrate
Enzymes
Flavins
Fructose
Phosphorylcholine
Prostaglandins
Vitamin C
Acid phosphatase
Citric Acid
Fibrinolysin
PSA
Zinc
Galactose
Mucus
Sialic Acid



So, all you incredibly brilliant people that seem to think masturbation is harmful to one's health, please look up the following and see if you can find clear evidence that people who over-masturbate are known to have the following disease processes:

1.Scurvy
2.Zinc Deficiency
3.Malnutrition (Kwashiorkor or Marasmus)



The vague symptoms such as lethargy, malaise, excessive sleeping, loss of appetite, weight loss or whatever you choose to sight as evidence can easily be explained by other processes, so that is not enough. Some third-party website without proper peer-reviewed and published studies is not good enough, either.

 

[Guest]

Semen contains zinc, and most men in America are already deficient in zinc.

So you really think that expelling large quantities of zinc can't cause a deficiency in it?

And to think I took you off ignore just for that.

I won't make that mistake again.

<click>

 

[kilgore]

Semen contains zinc, and most men in America are already deficient in zinc.

So you really think that expelling large quantities of zinc can't cause a deficiency in it?

so just take a zinc supplement and wank away!! :jackit: :jackit: :jackit: :jackit: :jackit: :jackit: :jackit: :jackit: :jackit: :jackit: :jackit: :jackit: :jackit: :jackit: :jackit: :jackit: :jackit: :jackit:

 

[ripple-effect]

You are definitely not worth the effort required for this debate. For one thing, when it comes to research, you cannot prove a negative such as "scientific evidence that it doesn't cause hair loss" - that's just ridiculous.

Reading this, as well as your previous posts on the matter, I am happily confident that I do not need to explain or argue with you any further on this matter. If you were willing to do some research yourself you would find, quite easily, that YOU are the one in denial, just because we are speaking common sense... common sense and FACT which goes against whatever prejudices and beliefs you obviously hold dear. You were very quick to defend the views expressed in the first post, however you didn't even read it through in its entirety before posting your opinions. So you're not really worth arguing with if you aren't going to even take a rational approach from the start. I don't feel I should waste my time explaining myself to someone like you.

Not meaning to try and have the last word here, but I only feel justified in holding a debate with someone who is willing to put in a bit of groundwork to justify such a strong rebuttal to our attacks. I feel totally justified in my attacks to these posts and do not wish to withdraw any of my previous comments on this topic.

hah, Denial... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: ....you're pathetic.

Once again, on the contrary my dear friend. The statement "you can't prove a negative" is simply false. Sorry. Some examples of negative statements that can easily be proven include: "Three is not equal to two," or "The ancient Hebrews watched television," etc. Clearly, it's quite possible to prove a negative statement. As a matter of fact, you can prove about every negative thing you can think of except for (drum-roll please! :mrgreen the non-existence of supernatural beings such as God because it's impossible to prove if no one actually knows what God is supposed to be.. Having said that...the statement “you cannot prove a negativeâ€￾ is really just a different way of saying “You can’t prove me wrong because I don’t even know what I’m talking about.â€￾
Clearly, you most likely did not respond to my other posts because you did not know how to. You just waited until you could find a flaw with something I said in order to use that as your excuse to disregard my other posts. Not to say that I'm flawless in everything I say. :roll:

hah, Denial... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: ....you're pathetic.

Lol, that gets to you doesn't it? Maybe cause it's true? :innocent:

 

[Guest]

Ripple-effect,

Don't even bother. Some of these people are professional time wasters and sh*t stirrers.

They derive perverse pleasure from antagonizing and irritating other people, with unmerited hostility and sophistry, in order to drag others down to their level.

This is their idea of a discussion: uke:

They're bottom feeders. I've put every one of them on ignore because of their blatantly disgraceful and sociopathic behaviour.

In the interests of conserving your own time and energy for more worthwhile activities and discussions, I suggest that you might want to consider doing the same.

 

[powersam]

See how frustrated you guys are....

the dude who wont masturbate is calling other people frustrated???

 

[flimflam]

These guys are trolls.

And this thread should be moved to the "experimental" section or whatever it's called.

Moderators?

 

[Guest]

How on earth did this ripple-effect dude manage to hi-jack this thread and turn it into a debate of quality of the other users posts? Before I'm going to even think about trying to stop masturbating for the sake of my hair, I wanna see some evidence. The op could always provide some pictures of his hair regrowth? It's funny how no one ever posts pictures after claiming something like this.

 

[bubka]

GrowHairGrow!, that would break the "natural" or "no masturbation" cardinal rule #1

"talk about how much success you have on forums, but don't post pictures"

AKA, be a forum TROLL

 

[docj077]

Semen contains zinc, and most men in America are already deficient in zinc.

So you really think that expelling large quantities of zinc can't cause a deficiency in it?

And to think I took you off ignore just for that.

I won't make that mistake again.

<click>

And...you proved my point. Thank you.

The majority of zinc in semen is associated with the chromatin within the sperm. Without it, there is an increase in sperm fragility and a general decrease in overall fertility.

There is a difference between zinc deficiency is the common population and zinc deficiency causing disease. You are responsible for differentiating between the two, because with a little research you'll answer your own questions.

Also, the amount of zinc in semen is miniscule compared to the amount in the male body. Not as many males are as clinically deficient as what the internet leads you to believe. Not that you probably care, but during times of zinc depletion, the skin does not become depleted of zinc until levels are severely low. The heart, the skin, and the skeletal muscle all maintain their zinc levels while the rest of body shifts the zinc dynamic appropriately. Your skeletal muscle and your bone are major reservoirs of zinc and zinc deficiency leads to growth retardation. Your hair maintains one of the highest mg/kg wet weight values of zinc in your body second only to your teeth.



Unlike the WHO committees, which did not
include an estimate of zinc loss in semen, the FNB/
IOM committee considered information provided in
two papers [104, 105] on the zinc concentration of
semen and ejaculate volume of the same 11 volunteers
for whom surface losses were reported above. The
men’s semen zinc concentrations (0.11 mg/ml) did
not change with restricted dietary zinc intakes, and
the ejaculate volume decreased significantly only at
the lowest level of zinc intake (1.4 mg/day). Thus, the
FNB/IOM committee decided to use a single figure
of 0.10 mg zinc loss per day in semen, considering a
mean ejaculate volume of 2.8 ml and a mean number
of 2.45 ejaculations per week. The IZiNCG committee
agrees with the general approach used by FNB/IOM,
although more information is needed from a greater
range of individuals, particularly on the mean daily
volume of semen. Pending the availability of additional
information, IZiNCG accepts the figure of 0.10 mg/day
for average zinc loss in semen.



If you find this study you'll find that you'd have to masturbate at least 15 times per day to equal the total amount of zinc that is already excreted by your intestines each and every day.

 

[powersam]

If you find this study you'll find that you'd have to masturbate at least 15 times per day to equal the total amount of zinc that is already excreted by your intestines each and every day.

ccs just started a thread about using coconut oil as a wank lube. i suggest that if one is planning to wank 15 times a day, they might want to ask CCS for a little wank lube advice.

 

[flimflam]

lol

 

[ADL]

docj077 wrote

The majority of zinc in semen is associated with the chromatin within the sperm. Without it, there is an increase in sperm fragility and a general decrease in overall fertility.

In this light, I think, it's interesting to mention that sperm quality peaks on the 7th day of abstinence.
According to:http://www.urotoday.com/44/browse_c...reduces_sperm_viability_in_infertile_men.html

 

[notself]

Wow! As a student of pathology I cringe at the amount of misinformation on this site sometimes, this thread being one. I sometimes am not sure if people are being humourous or really serious so I try to avoid comments.

 

[Dogs3]

most people on this thread are just f*****g around im sure, except for the retards who actually believe the BS about jackin off causing hair loss, everyone else is just having some fun at their expense.

 

[Maxpwr]

As a matter of fact, you can prove about every negative thing you can think of except for (drum-roll please! ) the non-existence of supernatural beings such as God because it's impossible to prove if no one actually knows what God is supposed to be

You obviously know exactly what I'm talking about with regards to "proving a negative". By telling someone to prove that something DOESN'T cause something else, one is avoiding the responsibility in proving one's own side of the argument. If someone claims that playing soccer causes hairloss and is asked to prove it, they cannot then turn around and say "No, you prove that it doesn't", and expect people to give them any credit.

Clearly, you most likely did not

You seem to enjoy attacking users on poor grammar and spelling. This is terrible grammar. Just thought I'd point it out :laugh:

Clearly, you most likely did not respond to my other posts because you did not know how to. You just waited until you could find a flaw with something I said in order to use that as your excuse to disregard my other posts.

Nonsense... "Clearly, you most likely" have no idea what you're talking about. But let's just go back and have a look shall we?

I've only made references to his 4-month-no-masturbation observations.

His 4 month observations were great, but unfortunately don't prove anything with regards to masturbation or the absence thereof... The fact that he states he has been doing cardio 5 days per week, has a regimented sleeping pattern and eats a balanced diet would lead any sane individual to believe that THEY are the causes of his results. I don't need to be a doctor or dietician to establish that. I recently quit smoking and started cardio 5 times per week. ...and WOW! I have experienced the exact same effects that stnl has posted in his numbered items, except for maybe for 3 (I don't suffer from depression in the first place) and 7 ("stool"??). As well as that, I have been having a lot more sex in the last 4 or so weeks and have never felt better, physically and emotionally. So if you are basing your replies only on his 4 month observations, just remember that there are lots of things that could contribute towards these results - the main thing being regular exercise which, STRANGELY, HE HAS ALSO IDENTIFIED IN HIS REGIMEN!!!

I only skimmed over the "clinical evidence" part and made no reference to that considering it's length.

Well, that's great... not even willing to read the original post and yet you defend it.

Masturbation is a touchy subject, there aren't very many studies on how it affects the body and mind, so credit stnl's post for what it's worth even though some of it might not even be true.

I give credit where credit's due. I'm not an unreasonable person at all, nor (as Mr Erik D is so desperately trying to point out) am I just arguing for the sake of arguing or being right. I have posted stuff in the past on these and other forums which has been garbage or in poor taste and have humbly apologized when corrected or proven wrong. I don't believe stnl's "clinical evidence" is relevant whatsoever in the battle of hairloss OR the quest for good health. But you haven't even read it, so there's no use in my arguing with you about it.

Ripple-effect, there are many studies completed on masturbation and to my knowledge a huge huge majority of the medical community sees no problem with it.

I really don't think there are....I could be wrong(I'm not going to check), but I remember reading somewhere that there aren't very many

No comment... :roll:

It's almost like a drug....once you start....it's difficult to stop, and it may lead to things that will create an even higher stimulation.

This observation is childish at best. It's statements like this that make me sorry I replied to your posts in the first place. This is something the churches and extremist ways of life try to drum into people as a means of control, by instilling fear and guilt into weak minds.

Masturbation is a sign of insecurity and almost always a sign of deeper need. What is motivating you to masturbate? Are you depressed, lonely, afraid to find a relationship? Whatever the reason may be....it takes a person with repressed emotions to feel the need to let it out.

Another ridiculous statement... This just exposes your complete ignorance on the issue and leads us all to believe you have been influenced by ways of thinking other than fact. (i.e. your religious views or YOUR repressed emotions??)

I'm going to have to disagree with you on the self-denial part because IF you weren't in denial then you wouldn't/shouldn't be supporting the act of masturbation.

How does this statement make any sense? You are obviously the one in denial. I feel absolutely no remorse or guilt whatsoever concerning masturbation in theory or in practice. How does that equate to denial? Maybe from your point of view I am in denial... because I'm not willing to buy into your views and beliefs. So if someone tried to tell me that cardio is bad for my health, and I refused to believe it, I'd suddenly be in denial??? Like I said, pathetic...

It's no surprise why he didn't show real clinical evidence either.

I'm going to agree with you here! It IS no surprise :laugh:



Let's take another look at some of your other classic quotes in this thread:

I do believe masturbation is wrong and less/none of it will result in a healthier life physically, mentally, and emotionally.

it's pretty hard to have a sex life w/o hair unless you were referring to a sex life by yourself that is..

it's because you are all in denial

You guys must really hate the idea that even if you did try to stop, you know you wouldn't succeed because you can't beat the temptation. You don't want to. That's why masturbation can poison one's mind.

If this isn't ignorance then I don't know what is...

Anyway, you're entitled to your own beliefs and views... Just remember, once you let mysticism take over the path of rational thought, your mind will forever be plagued with fear and guilt...

 

[docj077]

docj077 wrote

The majority of zinc in semen is associated with the chromatin within the sperm. Without it, there is an increase in sperm fragility and a general decrease in overall fertility.

In this light, I think, it's interesting to mention that sperm quality peaks on the 7th day of abstinence.
According to:http://www.urotoday.com/44/browse_c...reduces_sperm_viability_in_infertile_men.html

"Dr. Levitas and colleagues conclude that, for optimum sperm motility and morphology, sperm should be collected from men with male factor infertility after 1 day of abstinence. While total sperm and motile sperm may increase after four days of abstinence, they continue, further prolonged abstinence will result in worse sperm morphology."