More Childless Men: Women Do Not Want Children With Low-status Men

[CaptainForehead]

I also got promoted recently.

Congratulations!!

PS: You get two months off a year?!

 

[Exodus2011]

Relationships are not only about sex only, they're also about making each other grow.

You can't do that on your own because you don't have to care about anyone but yourself.

You know I used to be grumpy at the beginning of my current relationship, because I had finally met a woman to who I was strongly attracted to, that was feminine, who had her sh*t together and most importantly who was not a pushover.

She can be an angel but if you do something she dislikes, she'll tell you in a heartbeat, or if you do something stupid, she'll be honest about it. I hated it at the beginning, even thought about ending it because I could not make her submit to me like I did with my ex.

But now I realize, she's exactly what I need, as cliche as it sounds, she made me a better person. The other day, she told me: "You were a bit of monster when I met you, but now you're a nice guy!" Yeah, she's right, even though that doesn't mean that I'm pussy-whipped.

I extend her the same courtesy and I am committed to telling her the truth. If she crosses a boundary, she'll know about it. That's how you develop mutual respect and gradually become better people.

Now don't get me wrong, that sh*t is hard, but it's insanely rewarding, even though there are ups and downs and you might not see the benefits in the short-term. But at a point, you realize that you learn a lot.

damn. kinky

ok so i'm interested in the part about not being a pushover , yet feminine? what do you mean? like she does traditional stuff like cleaning and cooking?

 

[CaptainForehead]

Relationships are not only about sex only, they're also about making each other grow.

You can't do that on your own because you don't have to care about anyone but yourself.

You know I used to be grumpy at the beginning of my current relationship, because I had finally met a woman to who I was strongly attracted to, that was feminine, who had her sh*t together and most importantly who was not a pushover.

She can be an angel but if you do something she dislikes, she'll tell you in a heartbeat, or if you do something stupid, she'll be honest about it. I hated it at the beginning, even thought about ending it because I could not make her submit to me like I did with my ex.

But now I realize, she's exactly what I need, as cliche as it sounds, she made me a better person. The other day, she told me: "You were a bit of monster when I met you, but now you're a nice guy!" Yeah, she's right, even though that doesn't mean that I'm pussy-whipped.

I extend her the same courtesy and I am committed to telling her the truth. If she crosses a boundary, she'll know about it. That's how you develop mutual respect and gradually become better people.

Now don't get me wrong, that sh*t is hard, but it's insanely rewarding, even though there are ups and downs and you might not see the benefits in the short-term. But at a point, you realize that you learn a lot.

A year or so ago, you were of the opinion that if a guy wasn't in the top 25%, he should give up on women as women would never be happy with him, even if he were somehow to land one. Have you changed your opinion on this?

 

[UncleMort]

but f*** it. I don't even really agree with half of what I am saying. I DO miss the feeling of a cute girl jumping on me and kissing my cheek when she sees me. Being in love is the most beautiful feeling ever... but some are simply not destined for it, period. I am one. whatever. f*** all of you. I'll be in my room eating hot pockets and playing COD!!!

The whole point of being on here is:
1. Find some desperately needed fellowship from the stress of balding

2. Develop a plan to HAVE a life. And then finding the support to go do it.

 

[buckthorn]

A year or so ago, you were of the opinion that if a guy wasn't in the top 25%, he should give up on women as women would never be happy with him, even if he were someone to land one. Have you changed your opinion on this?

of course. he is considered attractive by the opposite sex. I understand because I knew the feeling once. It is indeed a very reassuring feeling. I am opposite Fred. Went from desirable to undesirable. I hope Fred remains the same, otherwise his views will quickly revert.

 

[Stanx22]

I have seven close friends that have been married at least seven years. I have talked in depth with five of them, because I am that friend that people really, really open up to. Yes, all of them borderline hate their spouses. Hate is a strong word, but they just can't stand them. Maybe it's just my group. Maybe we are all mentally fucked? i have no idea. But they used to seem so happy. Two are strongly considering divorce. One of them just openly argue and yell at each other in front of other people. I have no idea wtf is happening.

Your friends are betabux. Women don't actually love them, but they stay with them for resources and to cope and forget about their past when they fucked +100 genetically superior guys. They usually get fat, refuse sex (always tired lol), have shitty attitude because they're f*****g miserable. They don't believe that a genetically inferior scum is worthy of a good, sexy wife. So, you friends are probably living in hell because of this, simply married a prostitute. They just have to wait now until their wives divorce them and take all of their money and everything they have.

 

[blackg]

Why is @JohnsonDDG banned?

 

[Saurabhaj]

Your friends are betabux. Women don't actually love them, but they stay with them for resources and to cope and forget about their past when they fucked +100 genetically superior guys. They usually get fat, refuse sex (always tired lol), have shitty attitude because they're f*****g miserable. They don't believe that a genetically inferior scum is worthy of a good, sexy wife. So, you friends are probably living in hell because of this, simply married a prostitute. They just have to wait now until their wives divorce them and take all of their money and everything they have.

 

[Exodus2011]

Ah, she doesn't clean and we've already agreed that we'd hire a maid when we move in together.

But she cooks for me. By feminine I mean that it's the way she behaves, but she can also be tough.

And it's surprisingly not contradictory. Her main flaw (and she bloody knows it) is that she's bossy and too obsessed with conventions (so too traditional I guess).

I'm not the only one complaining about it, sometimes she'll go to far and her parents will tell her to stop.

So yeah, she's working on that, and I'm working on my... unconventionality let's say, it's not that easy to be in a relationship with WhitePolarBear .

ehhh ok you dont have to answer this as its personal, i just can't help but wonder, does that mean she is into BDSM dominant stuff? lol.

that sounds cool tho, like the perfect female 0_0. fuk.

 

[blackg]

Well said, Saurabhaj.

 

[blackg]

No she isn't, that means she pretty conventional in bed too.

That doesn't mean she's boring in bed though.

Most guys would say that the perfect female would be one that he could bend to his will.

Now I think that's a mistake, especially since that was the power dynamic with my ex and look how that turned out.

Just form a personal perspective...
A power inbalance in a romantic relationship is ultimately dull.
We, as men, need a woman that challenges us intellectually.

But there is a caveat; Role play in the bedroom demands that she is the submissive partner.
The female must even except the possibility of bringing other participants into the equation sexually.

 

[blackg]

She's automatically submissive in the bedroom of course, because that's what she wants and it feels good for her.

Sometimes I ask her to take control but that's my personal beta cuck fantasy.

Do you take it up the *** when she takes control?
Does it hurt?

 

[blackg]

Does anyone know the fate of @JohnsonDDG?

 

[Exodus2011]

She's automatically submissive in the bedroom of course, because that's what she wants and it feels good for her.

Sometimes I ask her to take control but that's my personal beta cuck fantasy.

The belgian sub!?

 

[CaptainForehead]

Thank you .

No, I took a lot of unpaid holidays .

Worth it!

Man, I'm envious of:
Your GF
Your job (you like it, good pay, and can take two months of unpaid holidays)
Your height
Your dick
Your smile
Your race
Your voice
Your mother tongue
Your youth

 

[CaptainForehead]

My parents were married from 1975 until 2012 when my dad died. They were legally together but not actually together, as my brother in law pointed out to me, they never did any activities together such as shopping, going on a walk, etc. Throughout my childhood my mother spent hours of the day screaming, often nagging my dad for not making enough money. Meanwhile she made none and was wasteful with what she did have, and just a general psychological drag.

It's not a role model marriage by any means. I guess that they had two kids so that's something.

I take it your sister has had a way easier life in the dating area?

Something to trigger @Xander94: I have encountered three southern european/asian (darker skin) women who are married to blond-blue eyed northern europeans (two of the guys are 7/10+). One dude has a hairstyle coming down to his eyebrows.
I don't know of a reverse situation where a darker skined dude has landed a blond-blue eyed girl.

 

[Xander94]

what does this have to do with hairloss again ??

 

[CaptainForehead]

I haven't. True sexual attraction has to be there from the beginning.

Without that cornerstone, your relationship will be shaky and ultimately built on a lie.

The first post somewhat contradicts the second post. The less attractive a man is, the less worthwhile it is for him to play the relationship game. At some level of ugliness, the negatives outweigh the positives.

You can't be alone and be OK, because who's going to call you out on your BS and various biases on a regular basis then? Yourself? I doubt it.

We call people who remain single (by choice or not) losers because they can't seem to be able to play the game that is a relationship.

Sure, it's a hard game, but that doesn't mean one shouldn't try to play it. And it's one of the main human game that's been played through the ages.

Someone who refuses to play that game will be seen as selfish and possibly dangerous, because they never have to correct their own behavior.

Living on your own is f*****g easy, you move in, and from day 1, you've already won. I wouldn't brag about being able to live on your own.



It's because there is something wrong with you, and there's a myriad of things that are wrong about you, and until you get into a relationship, you will never know about them. And you will continue to foster that destructive mindset.

Read my previous post, if you're in a sexless and toxic relationship / marriage, I'm sorry but that's partly your own fault. It's your responsibility to keep your eyes open at all times and to address the problems that need fixing.



This is wrong on many levels.

What you're saying is one tiny part of the truth, which makes it propaganda. You're leaving out important variables so that you can carve out your pessimistic narrative.

We didn't decide to become monogamous, it's deeply biologically ingrained in us, and it evolved as a result of us realizing that we need to live with each other, that we need to be able to trade with them, to trust them and it goes both ways. Remove monogamy and all hell will break lose, this is already happening in the West to some extent.

We didn't invent marriage and that should be obvious from the cross-cultural studies, marriage is pretty much a human universal and the societies who have decided not to implement the idea of marriage didn't last long.

Yes, we get jealous and we need to shackle ourselves to each other, it's also in our nature, we've figured that out, transgress those moral principles and watch your relationship burn to the ground sooner or later.

You can't feel positive emotions or happiness without trying to attain a higher goal. The higher the goal, the more positive emotions. So no, I'm afraid that happiness is almost impossible without the goal of finding a long-term partner and having children, unless you're incredibly gifted in some area and you can find a goal that would justify your sacrifice of the idea of having a family.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

I take it your sister has had a way easier life in the dating area?

Something to trigger @Xander94: I have encountered three southern european/asian (darker skin) women who are married to blond-blue eyed northern europeans (two of the guys are 7/10+). One dude has a hairstyle coming down to his eyebrows.
I don't know of a reverse situation where a darker skined dude has landed a blond-blue eyed girl.

My sister is better looking than I am and had, as far as I can tell, a comparably easy time on the dating market. She had a few good boyfriends that I knew about, probably more that I did not know about, and she found her life partner in her early 20s.

Her advice to me has been uniformly bad. She wants me to wear better clothes, to trim my eyebrows, and to believe in God. She has actually told me my atheism/agnosticism is the reason I'm single.

Better looking people can be completely clueless.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Only two weeks were unpaid actually .

For the rest yeah, I'm fortunate regarding those aspects.

But, you know my flaws, even though I could argue that even my hellish experiences made me stronger now that I more or less made sense of them.

I'm still half-bald (second FUE in less than two months yey!) and... There are not many problems I can put my finger on right now... Lately I regret spending too much time debating my conspirationist Muslim cousin, the more I talk to him, the more radicalized in his thinking he seems to become.

My main concern right now is to prepare my next performance on stage, and I'd really like to start a blog, on which I'd write articles in English and in French, depending on the issue I'm discussing.

How are you doing at the moment?

It gave you the life lesson that you shouldn't waste time arguing with lunatics.