New Dermaroller Study; Thoughts, comments?

[squeegee]

Admin I see what you did! hahaahahahahahahahahahah!
Breaking bald.. Nizoral is good don't stop using it while derma rolling!

 

[Breaking Bald]

Ok, I thought I read something about not using it. Should I wait a few days after dermarolling before applying it? How man days after DR do you use Nizoral Squeegee?

 

[princessRambo]

Dont lose heart PrincessRambo.
What have we seen so far? From the Original study and from posters with results in this thread and other posts elsewhere like you say we know rolling is doing something positive.
regenerating hair ? I dont know.
But what about some of the result pics that appear to show new growth growing directly from the needle puncture sites ?

This does not mean it's new hair growing from the needle puncture. The hair on squeegees pic is not new hair, it might be existing vellus hair that the needle happen to puncture at the exact same location, and they are growing from the growth factor released by WIHN, which is excellent news. But the fact is we have 100,000+ hair on our scalp, when you dermaroll you likely create tens of thousands of holes and you are doing this weekly, obviously some of those puncture holes will be on top of existing hair holes, this is simply the law of averages, sorry this isn't new hair induced by WIHN.. What you guys are concluding from these images is like throwing darts at a wall and then painting targets around them...

 

[squeegee]

This does not mean it's new hair growing from the needle puncture. The hair on squeegees pic is not new hair, it might be existing vellus hair that the needle happen to puncture at the exact same location, and they are growing from the growth factor released by WIHN, which is excellent news. But the fact is we have 100,000 hair on our scalp, when you dermaroll you likely create tens of thousands of holes and you are doing this weekly, obviously some of those puncture holes will be on top of existing hair holes, this is simply the law of averages, sorry this isn't new hair induced by WIHN.. What you guys are concluding from these images is like shootings darts on a wall and then painting targets around them...

The guys on immortal have pictures that are pretty convincing using chemical peels. Fibrosis is the b**ch.



I am going to peel and roll starting next week!

 

[ganonford]

But that dude has no before pics...

 

[Donc83]

Great so now dermarolling does not work like in the study? Is dermarolling useless? How come those people in the study got such great results? I HATE male pattern baldness

 

[squeegee]

http://www.bmj.com/highwire/filestream/339492/field_highwire_article_pdf/0/1645.2

Even the BBQ guy, it looks like a recovery from TCA peel! hahah .. Hair growth ****ing fast as well.. why.. because the follicles were dormant in that fibrosis ****.

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Great so now dermarolling does not work like in the study? Is dermarolling useless? How come those people in the study got such great results? I HATE male pattern baldness

Derma rolling works.. I just want to add chemical peels to the mix...

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But that dude has no before pics...

you clearly see the miniature follicles coming out..

here is an older one from the same dude :

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All our follicles are still there folks..

Bald scalp in men with androgenetic alopecia retains hair follicle stem cells but lacks CD200-rich and CD34-positive hair follicle progenitor cells

http://www.jci.org/articles/view/44478

 

[closetmetrosexual]

I am going to peel and roll starting next week!

Aren't you risking causing too much damage by doing both?
What will be your schedule? How many days between rolling and doing peels?

I've also considered doing peels, but came to the conclusion - for now - that it would be too dangerous doing both within the same 3 week time frame.

But now I'm thinking maybe rolling Friday, then wait 7 days (next Friday), do a hardcore peel, then wait until next Friday, roll again.

I read the skin takes 10 days to recover from a TCA peel. But that 'recovery' is only in so far that the old skin has now peeled off. It it still very sensitive, and not ready for another peel for another 3-4 weeks (IIRC). Doing heavy rolling during this time might be a bad idea... or it might just be what we need. :shock:

 

[princessRambo]

Great so now dermarolling does not work like in the study? Is dermarolling useless? How come those people in the study got such great results? I HATE male pattern baldness

Who ever said it doesn't work like in the study? What study? The indian study? Yes it works in that context, in fact it works exellent... noone said it was useless in that context. arghhh

 

[DesperateOne]

Armando! What was your theory again? I am buying chemical peels online as I type this. I really think that Fibrosis is the real b**ch in Androgen Alopecia after looking at my own results with the derma roller. Hair are coming out of the punctured area only. People having success with TCA peels on the immortal forum. We almost there!

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Good stuff Jorged!:salut:

See, I kept saying about chemical peels and you blew me off and now you're all on board. Oh well, link us to the other forum thread? Or is it a private forum?

 

[squeegee]

Aren't you risking causing too much damage by doing both?
What will be your schedule? How many days between rolling and doing peels?

I've also considered doing peels, but came to the conclusion - for now - that it would be too dangerous doing both within the same 3 week time frame.

But now I'm thinking maybe rolling Friday, then wait 7 days (next Friday), do a hardcore peel, then wait until next Friday, roll again.

I read the skin takes 10 days to recover from a TCA peel. But that 'recovery' is only in so far that the old skin has now peeled off. It it still very sensitive, and not ready for another peel for another 3-4 weeks (IIRC). Doing heavy rolling during this time might be a bad idea... or it might just be what we need. :shock:

My plan is.. I will start rolling with a smaller size, with the 0.50mm I shed like a mofo still with the 0.50mm, then go with the big size.. 1.5mm+ So I am covering as much ground as possible and get as much skin peeling off.. You don't need to go straight up TCA LOL.. it is hard core! Glycolic acid will do.. TCA would be a good idea, but I need to take time off from work.. With the rolling itself, I shed new skin every week, I also add new capillaries to my scalp with the needles which the Peels cannot achieved.. SO.. a good rolling.. using different sizes.. wait few hours and kill it with a Glycolic acid peel LOL.. or roll a week, peel the other week? I am not an expert of peels yet.. Need a good read on this subject.

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See, I kept saying about chemical peels and you blew me off and now you're all on board. Oh well, link us to the other forum thread? Or is it a private forum?

http://immortalhair.forumandco.com/t9447-scalp-peeling-with-20-glycolic-acid-great-results

With my own results, I realized that fibrosis play a real important role in hairloss. With all the biopsies, the BBQ guy, immortal hair forum results with the TCA peels, old video on youtube..and the study about the progenitor cell.. I concluded that Fibrosis is the #1 b**ch ..

[video=youtube;mZ80u2RoX7o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ80u2RoX7o[/video]

Bald scalp in men with androgenetic alopecia retains hair follicle stem cells but lacks CD200-rich and CD34-positive hair follicle progenitor cells

http://www.jci.org/articles/view/44478

BBQ guy : http://www.bmj.com/highwire/filestre...e_pdf/0/1645.2

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interac...w-Dermaroller-Study-Thoughts-comments/page144

 

[Breaking Bald]

Is everyone here just planing to roll for 3 months and then stop and wait for the results? Or are some people going to continue rolling after 3 months?

I think I'm just gonna do it for 3 months and then stop.

 

[karankaran]

Hey guys LEARN CONTEXT from what is posted here or else your brain work can be done by a computer!!! i am tired of people misinterpreting RAMBO by taking stuff out of context!

 

[ganonford]

Is everyone here just planing to roll for 3 months and then stop and wait for the results? Or are some people going to continue rolling after 3 months?

I think I'm just gonna do it for 3 months and then stop.

I don't know. For most people, three months is just not time enough to see signifcant results, so I think we should keep going if we really want to see something. On the other hand, if you DO see results... why would you stop?. If you get something and just stop, then it would be just a matter of time before you get back into square one once again...

 

[squeegee]

Hey guys LEARN CONTEXT from what is posted here or else your brain work can be done by a computer!!! i am tired of people misinterpreting RAMBO by taking stuff out of context!

I think for myself and I don't focus all my energy and knowledge towards follica's patent . so shut the **** up. People pitching new ideas to the tread are ****ing awesome! Keep an open mind. If you are not happy GTFO! Understood KaranKan?

 

[Breaking Bald]

I don't know. For most people, three months is just not time enough to see signifcant results, so I think we should keep going if we really want to see something. On the other hand, if you DO see results... why would you stop?. If you get something and just stop, then it would be just a matter of time before you get back into square one once again...

Yeah true, it's just that the pictures on the trial were supposedly taken months after the DR sessions took place. So maybe it's best to stop after 3 months and then wait for the results to develop? Just wanted to know what everybody's plans were, anyone else?

 

[squeegee]

Yeah true, it's just that the pictures on the trial were supposedly taken months after the DR sessions took place. So maybe it's best to stop after 3 months and then wait for the results to develop? Just wanted to know what everybody's plans were, anyone else?

I will continue rolling because I am having results from it.. I would be stupid to stop. What do you think?

 

[karankaran]

I think for myself and I don't focus all my energy and knowledge towards follica's patent . so shut the **** up. People pitching new ideas to the tread are ****ing awesome! Keep an open mind. If you are not happy GTFO! Understood KaranKan?

I was not talking to you! And again putting **** ten times in your sentence does not help your argument! and i do not think anyone here is focusing all the energy and knowledge towards follica's patent, it is all being said in a CONTEXT....You do not ****ing own this forum so you GTFO... and i am not amazed that after 2574 posts here after all the "new" ideas you have "absorbed", you still have not found a solution...

 

[mj9]

Lithium Chloride activates WNT pathway ---->>> FGF9----->>>> hair

Apparently Lithium Chloride was used in food in the 50s until some idiots started taking too much.... Anyway, this stuff is cheap and safe (from doing some google searches).... What if we DR and apply a solution of Lithium Chloride????!! Anyone see any problems with this?

 

[ganonford]

I think for myself and I don't focus all my energy and knowledge towards follica's patent . so shut the **** up. People pitching new ideas to the tread are ****ing awesome! Keep an open mind. If you are not happy GTFO! Understood KaranKan?

I was not talking to you! And again putting **** ten times in your sentence does not help your argument! and i do not think anyone here is focusing all the energy and knowledge towards follica's patent, it is all being said in a CONTEXT....You do not ****ing own this forum so you GTFO... and i am not amazed that after 2574 posts here after all the "new" ideas you have "absorbed", you still have not found a solution...

Please guys, not again, the last big fight was very counterproductive, and it started just like this. This time things are going just fine, just ignore each other and that's it...