Oral Steroid Made My Hair Grow Back Thicker!

[Norwoody]

It's not my intention to guilt anyone into any type of diet. Anyone that has hair loss has been dealt a sht hand and that's just the way it is. It's not their fault, nor am I claiming it is. It's clear that there are people out there that can eat whatever they want and they have perfect hair. BUT... we're not them. People that suffer from hair loss have to go out of their way to somewhat attenuate their genetic shortcomings and radically altering your diet can help with this.

My opinion is that hair loss has come from generation upon generation of poor diet and environmental conditions. There's a reason wealthy nations of history have generally had problems with hair loss and those generations of poor dietary habits and dietary excess are compounded with each generation that continues the trend. So, am I saying that my hair loss is my own fault? No. Am I saying that it's my ancestors' fault. Yes. I've inherited the product of their lifestyles for many generations. It's not my fault, but if I choose to eat and live in a way which alters my epigenome in ways that positively affect hair growth, then I may be able to get away with keeping and maintaining a full head of hair and my progeny will have a much better chance of not having to deal with hair loss if I give them a head start by having them when all the sht genes that contribute to hair loss have been epigenetically silenced.

Still fighting an uphill battle.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

It's not my intention to guilt anyone into any type of diet. Anyone that has hair loss has been dealt a sht hand and that's just the way it is. It's not their fault, nor am I claiming it is. It's clear that there are people out there that can eat whatever they want and they have perfect hair. BUT... we're not them. People that suffer from hair loss have to go out of their way to somewhat attenuate their genetic shortcomings and radically altering your diet can help with this.

My opinion is that hair loss has come from generation upon generation of poor diet and environmental conditions. There's a reason wealthy nations of history have generally had problems with hair loss and those generations of poor dietary habits and dietary excess are compounded with each generation that continues the trend. So, am I saying that my hair loss is my own fault? No. Am I saying that it's my ancestors' fault. Yes. I've inherited the product of their lifestyles for many generations. It's not my fault, but if I choose to eat and live in a way which alters my epigenome in ways that positively affect hair growth, then I may be able to get away with keeping and maintaining a full head of hair and my progeny will have a much better chance of not having to deal with hair loss if I give them a head start by having them when all the sht genes that contribute to hair loss have been epigenetically silenced.

How many Roman emperors and kings and wealthy bald people have there been? Lots and lots. If food is the issue, then we should presumably see less baldness now, not more as many allege. People eat far better on planet Earth now, then they ever have in terms of maintaining body weight and nutrients. This is just another version of the ecological healthy native diet among non-industrialized peoples which meant near starvation levels of many important nutrients leading to things like scurvy and yes, apparently lots of clear-cutting of forests even in the tree-hugging Amazon all throughout its history.

I just fail to see any connection at all unless you are claiming that baldness only commenced with the beginning of recorded history among caucasians and Semites. Baldness is most prevalent of all in the areas surrounding the Mediterranean Sea who are purported to have extremely healthy diets. One can make concentric circles outward from this area of largely Semites and whites and the farther one goes, the less baldness there is.

 

[Norwoody]

How many Roman emperors and kings and wealthy bald people have there been? Lots and lots. If food is the issue, then we should presumably see less baldness now, not more as many allege. People eat far better on planet Earth now, then they ever had in terms of maintaining body weight and nutrients. I just fail to see any connection at all unless you are claiming that baldness only commenced with the beginning of recorded history among caucasians and Semites. Baldness is most prevalent of all in the areas surrounding the Mediterranean Sea who are purported to have extremely healthy diets. One can make concentric circles outward from this area of largely Semites and whites and the farther one goes, the less baldness there is.

Yeah good luck fighting against your genes. If you're only genetically prone to go NW2 for most of your life, then sure, diet and stuff can make a difference, but if you're programmed to go NW3 and beyond then you'll need a much more direct and powerful influence to avert it.

 

[czecha]

Still fighting an uphill battle.

Tbf the diet is extremely anti aging as well

How many Roman emperors and kings and wealthy bald people have there been? Lots and lots. If food is the issue, then we should presumably see less baldness now, not more as many allege. People eat far better on planet Earth now, then they ever have in terms of maintaining body weight and nutrients. This is just another version of the ecological healthy native diet among non-industrialized peoples which meant near starvation levels of many important nutrients leading to things like scurvy and yes, apparently lots of clear-cutting of forests even in the tree-hugging Amazon all throughout its history.

I just fail to see any connection at all unless you are claiming that baldness only commenced with the beginning of recorded history among caucasians and Semites. Baldness is most prevalent of all in the areas surrounding the Mediterranean Sea who are purported to have extremely healthy diets. One can make concentric circles outward from this area of largely Semites and whites and the farther one goes, the less baldness there is.

maybe the emperors drank wine and ate meat a lot whereas average folks didn’t. So did their rich parents
Also, do you realize asians go bald more now? If it’s not environment passed on through genetics, what is it? Racemixing?

 

[ChemHead]

There's a reason why eating diary or eating a donut will cause me to get a headache or cause my face to flush and swell within 5-10 minutes after eating. I've only been able to recognize this because I stopped eating anything remotely like it for months... and then when I was tempted to have a slice of pizza or eat a donut, that's when I recognized the effects on my physiology.

I do what I do for a reason. I'm not telling you or anyone else that it's the right way. I only make posts about it because I wish I knew what I now know when I was a lot younger... and definitely wish I knew before I had ever defiled myself with 5a-reductase inhibitors. I post my experience because it's the only the thing I've ever done that has had a profound effect on my health and there is still nothing I've done that exceeds how profound diet has been. I've played around with diets, but I had never subjected myself to fasting and eating exclusively raw plants. I'm not against eating meat. I'm not a vegan. I don't have any stake in telling people they're evil or whatever for killing animals. I'm in this purely for health reasons and I certainly would not continue doing it if it weren't beneficial. Seriously... who of you would want to eat a diet like I do on a regular basis? If I didn't experience really profoundly positive benefits, I would definitely not continue with it.

 

[Norwoody]

Tbf the diet is extremely anti aging as well

maybe the emperors drank wine and ate meat a lot whereas average folks didn’t
Also, do you realize asians go bald more now? If it’s not environment passed on through genetics, what is it? Racemixing?

When one baldy reproduces, the genes spread lol

 

[czecha]

When one baldy reproduces, the genes spread lol

How does the balding gene come into being?

 

[ChemHead]

Yeah good luck fighting against your genes. If you're only genetically prone to go NW2 for most of your life, then sure, diet and stuff can make a difference, but if you're programmed to go NW3 and beyond then you'll need a much more direct and powerful influence to avert it.

I'm genetically prone to being bald asf. I started aggressively losing hair when I was 16-17 years of age.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Tbf the diet is extremely anti aging as well

maybe the emperors drank wine and ate meat a lot whereas average folks didn’t. So did their rich parents
Also, do you realize asians go bald more now? If it’s not environment passed on through genetics, what is it? Racemixing?

I don't think we are alleging more baldness among emperors, just that they balded at the same rate as everyone else:

Tyler Durden:
Listen up, maggots. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else.

 

[Norwoody]

How does the balding gene come into being?

I bet if you asked a geneticist they wouldn't even know lol

 

[ChemHead]

Also, do you realize asians go bald more now? If it’s not environment passed on through genetics, what is it? Racemixing?

Asians have become increasingly more "westernized" in the past 50 years, so I don't think it's any surprise that we're going to start seeing them suffer from diseases and disorders of excess.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

It sounds like an extremely healthy diet and one likely to result in far less disease and to be much healthier in general. It just won't regrow hair is all. You will be a phenomenally healthy bald guy which is much better than fat, lazy and bald....

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Asians have become increasingly more "westernized" in the past 50 years, so I don't think it's any surprise that we're going to start seeing them suffer from diseases and disorders of excess.

My theory is that the set of baldness genes are so virulent that they are not in fact, washed out or diminished by race mixing but rather they are dominant genes that yes, lead to increased baldness everywhere.... If you look at African-Americans or Hispanics (blend of Native American genes with white ones) they start becoming susceptible to baldness in accordance with the increasing mixture of "white" genes. Races should mix of course, I am just stating that we tend to see baldness increase in the non-white group more so than seeing baldness decrease in the white group. The more beard hair, the less hair on the head, statistically (I know there are exceptions) everywhere on the planet.

Guys seem not to perceive the link in baldness and incipient beard growth because baldness is also highly correlated with aging (as is beard growth) and because a select few do have great beards and hair--Jeff Bridges anyone?

 

[ChemHead]

I think the pathology of hair loss and the related changes in genome eventually tie back to specific physical and mechanical characteristics of the scalp and dietary habits and environment. The pattern of hair loss is very interesting to me and I think it should be on the mind of any professional working on trying to figure out the whole hair loss thing. I'm almost certain that hair loss in both men and women is due to the same cause. Women are just more resistant to losing hair because the whole-scalp expression of aromatase is significant higher than men and this is what explains why men will just completely lose hair until they're slick, while most women will experience a "global" uniform thinning. Men have much higher aromatase expression on the sides and back of the scalp compared to the crown and I'm interested in knowing what could lead to that discrepancy. I think the scalp massage and needling crowd are onto something, but I just don't know exactly what it is or how to tie it back nicely into hair loss pathology yet.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

I think the pathology of hair loss and the related changes in genome eventually tie back to specific physical and mechanical characteristics of the scalp and dietary habits and environment. The pattern of hair loss is very interesting to me and I think it should be on the mind of any professional working on trying to figure out the whole hair loss thing. I'm almost certain that hair loss in both men and women is due to the same cause. Women are just more resistant to losing hair because the whole-scalp expression of aromatase is significant higher than men and this is what explains why men will just completely lose hair until they're slick, while most women will experience a "global" uniform thinning. Men have much higher aromatase expression on the sides and back of the scalp compared to the crown and I'm interested in knowing what could lead to that discrepancy. I think the scalp massage and needling crowd are onto something, but I just don't know exactly what it is or how to tie it back nicely into hair loss pathology yet.

That still doesn't account for the huge correlation between increased beard follicles and baldness. Races that barely grow beards all but invariably do not suffer from baldness anywhere close to whites so this isn't actually even a human problem, it's more of an Indo-European/Semitic problem something that all of us on here often forget. Regardless as to why females bald, they do so far less frequently and this has been true in every society except among Native Americans, none of whom grow any significant facial hair. I think inflammation is pretty much the only aspect of baldness which is at all disease-like and it usually comes from the varmints living on our scalps overpopulating and then taking a great big crap all over our heads. They seek sebum, more sebum which is of course, a DHT artifact in terms of normal overproduction thereof.

Females? No beard follicles except for vellus ones unlikely to synthesize DHT. It could be that beard removal at say 13 years of age might be protective of boys and I am not kidding. The beard/scalp hair balance is completely related to resolving this problem. I would assume virtually all boys would opt for hair over beards if given the choice. Beard removal has resolved all of my facial DHT-artifacts like acne and especially dermatitis. Even oral minoxidil re-started my dermatitis by invigorating even my remaining vellus hair.

 

[czecha]

That still doesn't account for the huge correlation between increased beard follicles and baldness. Races that barely grow beards all but invariably do not suffer from baldness anywhere close to whites so this isn't actually even a human problem, it's more of an Indo-European/Semitic problem something that all of us on here often forget. Regardless as to why females bald, they do so far less frequently and this has been true in every society except among Native Americans, none of whom grow any significant facial hair. I think inflammation is pretty much the only aspect of baldness which is at all disease-like and it usually comes from the varmints living on our scalps overpopulating and then taking a great big crap all over our heads.

A significant amount of men with thick beards keep their hair though. You reckon they are all on dutasteride and spironolactone? I don’t think so
So yeah, „exceptions“ aka like 50% of white men lol

 

[ChemHead]

My theory is that the set of baldness genes are so virulent that they are not in fact, washed out or diminished by race mixing but rather they are dominant genes that yes, lead to increased baldness everywhere.... If you look at African-Americans or Hispanics (blend of Native American genes with white ones) they start becoming susceptible to baldness in accordance with the increasing mixture of "white" genes. Races should mix of course, I am just stating that we tend to see baldness increase in the non-white group more so than seeing baldness decrease in the white group. The more beard hair, the less hair on the head, statistically (I know there are exceptions) everywhere on the planet.

Guys seem not to perceive the link in baldness and incipient beard growth because baldness is also highly correlated with aging (as is beard growth) and because a select few do have great beards and hair--Jeff Bridges anyone?

I'm not sure if this is exactly what you're saying, but I agree that whatever causes hair loss does not just cause hair loss on the scalp. It causes it throughout the whole body. Whenever I used finasteride, for the brief period of time that it would have incredible effects on my hair, it would also have those same effects on my beard and body hair. My beard and body hair got thicker and darker along with the hair on my scalp. So, this notion that there's some kind of paradoxical association between hair on the head and all other hair, to me, is just false. Are androgens required for body hair? Certainly, it seems so. Are androgens responsible for paradoxically causing more hair growth on the body and inversely less hair growth on the head? No. Definitely, no, in my experience. I've lost hair on my calves and I think it's the exact same cause as the loss on my scalp.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

A significant amount of men with thick beards keep their hair though. You reckon they are all on dutasteride and spironolactone? I don’t think so
So yeah, „exceptions“ aka like 50% of white men lol

No, it has to do with the capacity to grow a beard race-wise. Huge swathes of male humanity develop virtually no beard follicles at all and these races often have no baldness nor do the male and female hair archetypes differ at all.

Native American men have hair every bit as nice as the females and neither sex produces beard follicles in that race. Remember that beard follicles carry sebum and are DHT artifacts. I can name lots of white men with great beards and hair. Michael McDonald, Kris Kristopherson, Brad Pitt, Jeff Bridges so no, extensive beard growth doesn't necessarily mandate baldness but it is highly correlated. The first thing that I noticed in my fraternity in college was that none of the guys with perfect hair could grow beards by 22. Most only had goatees and I realized right away that there is a hormonal connection.

 

[ChemHead]

That still doesn't account for the huge correlation between increased beard follicles and baldness.

I think this purely comes down to enzymatic expression of 5a-reductase. I think it's easily possible to highly express 5a-reductase in facial skin while simultaneously expressing enough aromatase expression to support normal growth of facial hair. I think the problem in the balding scalp is due to the fact that there is a high expression of 5AR and very little expression of aromatase. I think it wouldn't be as big a deal if the aromatase expression were higher, but, since it's not, the follicle is starved of the genetic signaling caused by estrogenic activity. Aromatase and 5AR are in competition for substrate (which would be androgens) and when you suddenly cut off the 5AR pathway with an antagonist like finasteride, then the little aromatase enzyme that is present in the balding hair follicle no longer has to compete with 5AR for substrate and the follicle is able to produce sufficient levels of estrogens for normal hair growth. This is why I believe finasteride works. And then it doesn't work shortly thereafter because your body is most certainly going to react to cutting of an entire enzymatic pathway by reducing steroid synthesis, among a variety of other defensive actions it takes like reducing aromatase or estrogen receptor expression. And then that just makes the hair loss problem ultimately worse.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

I'm not sure if this is exactly what you're saying, but I agree that whatever causes hair loss does not just cause hair loss on the scalp. It causes it throughout the whole body. Whenever I used finasteride, for the brief period of time that it would have incredible effects on my hair, it would also have those same effects on my beard and body hair. My beard and body hair got thicker and darker along with the hair on my scalp. So, this notion that there's some kind of paradoxical association between hair on the head and all other hair, to me, is just false. Are androgens required for body hair? Certainly, it seems so. Are androgens responsible for paradoxically causing more hair growth on the body and inversely less hair growth on the head? No. Definitely, no, in my experience. I've lost hair on my calves and I think it's the exact same cause as the loss on my scalp.

We largely do not know all of the "duties" of T versus DHT. It is highly likely that both cause hair loss in folks producing large amounts of RI's. Pubic and Underarm hair is strongly correlated with DHT as is hair on the torso. This is less true on the legs of males and females perhaps. But FtM's generally only supplement T and not DHT and they appear to bald at similar rates to other men controlling for age and amount of T exposure. DHT is synthesized in skin and follicles and virtually any amount of DHT puts MtF's at risk of hair loss so most of us stay on dutasteride. DHT does two useful things: it differentiates between the sexes after conception and it mediates pubic and underarm growth.

This means little but all of my chest hair has stopped growing just by hormones but none of the hair below the navel has. My underarm follicles seem to have simply reverted to the child state and not even oral min is producing hair that anymore. As they say, YMMV.