"paying For It" By Chester Brown - Tales From Norwood Cemetery

[jd_uk]

I think Hair Cloning is too difficult to succeed.
Reason is the Immune reaction AT SKIN is GREATEST in human body.
Even heart Transplant,Kidney Transplant,Bone marrow Transplant,Liver Transplant,Corneal Transplant are all below the Immune Response power of Skin.

After reading the Immunological response of skin in medical book,i would have close the research in a single breath

Even if Hair Follicle cloning may be coming in Autotransplant,i think that will fail.
Playing with Skin Immunity is like dropping Nuclear Bomb on your own home.

My bet is that in 2030 treatments wont be much better than they are now, if at all.

 

[Saurabhaj]

My bet is that in 2030 treatments wont be much better than they are now, if at all.

I was dreaming this few years back,as nw6,its a blessing.
But all,all of hair cloning failed at that same level,at that same level.

Read Immune Reactions skin diseases,yow will know how bad it looks.

My question to you..
Why you think hair follicle cloning did not succeed..

Also,i thing I am not sure in this,do not challenge this.
i am talking from non medico perspective,just for sake of curiosity,
if a hair follicle of a person who has non male pattern baldness history is implanted on bald man,he will die more bad than a liver/kidney rejection.
What you think?
Please tell.
Remember, Immune reaction at Skin is GREATEST than at any organ in Human body.

 

[jd_uk]

I was dreaming this few years back,as nw6,its a blessing.
But all,all of hair cloning failed at that same level,at that same level.

Read Immune Reactions skin diseases,yow will know how bad it looks.

My question to you..
Why you think hair follicle cloning did not succeed..

Also,i thing I am not sure in this,do not challenge this.
i am talking from non medico perspective,just for sake of curiosity,
if a hair follicle of a person who has non male pattern baldness history is implanted on bald man,he will die more bad than a liver/kidney rejection.
What you think?
Please tell.
Remember, Immune reaction at Skin is GREATEST than at any organ in Human body.

I have no idea about any of that. All i know is that hair/skin from anyone else would be rejected by the body and that cloning of one's own hair would be very expensive and isn't suddenly going to become available. If people are getting excited about cloning then I think they are being a bit optimistic.

 

[Dench57]

neither of you have any idea what you're talking about

 

[jd_uk]

neither of you have any idea what you're talking about

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[Roberto_72]

I was dreaming this few years back,as nw6,its a blessing.
But all,all of hair cloning failed at that same level,at that same level.

Read Immune Reactions skin diseases,yow will know how bad it looks.

My question to you..
Why you think hair follicle cloning did not succeed..

Also,i thing I am not sure in this,do not challenge this.
i am talking from non medico perspective,just for sake of curiosity,
if a hair follicle of a person who has non male pattern baldness history is implanted on bald man,he will die more bad than a liver/kidney rejection.
What you think?
Please tell.
Remember, Immune reaction at Skin is GREATEST than at any organ in Human body.

I have no idea about any of that. All i know is that hair/skin from anyone else would be rejected by the body and that cloning of one's own hair would be very expensive and isn't suddenly going to become available. If people are getting excited about cloning then I think they are being a bit optimistic.

neither of you have any idea what you're talking about

I agree with Dench. Skin cloning and autotransplant is a reality that saves lives already...

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/06/12/south-africa-burn-survivor-gets-cloned-skin-grafts.html

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1990-03-15/news/9003153786_1_healthy-skin-skin-tissue-burn

 

[Dench57]

I don't understand why Saurabhaj is talking about immune reactions as if any future treatment would involve taking hair from other people.

As for no treatments being better in 2030 - just look at the research section. More solid, promising developments in the last 6 months than there has been since Finasteride came out (1990s)

 

[jd_uk]

I agree with Dench. Skin cloning and autotransplant is a reality that saves lives already...

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/06/12/south-africa-burn-survivor-gets-cloned-skin-grafts.html

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1990-03-15/news/9003153786_1_healthy-skin-skin-tissue-burn

Yes, skin transplantation for burns and other injuries. That is completely different to the commerically available cloning of hair follicles for transplant.

There are two seperate issues:

1) actually achieving it.
2) making it available and afforfable enough for the average person that it is commercially viable.

 

[Roberto_72]

Yes, skin transplantation for burns and other injuries. That is completely different to the commerically available cloning of hair follicles for transplant.

There are two seperate issues:

1) actually achieving it.
2) making it available and afforfable enough for the average person that it is commercially viable.

Correct, but apparently cloned tissue is not rejected by your body because it (rightfully) thinks it is still you. Which is true!

 

[jd_uk]

I don't understand why Saurabhaj is talking about immune reactions as if any future treatment would involve taking hair from other people.

As for no treatments being better in 2030 - just look at the research section. More solid, promising developments in the last 6 months than there has been since Finasteride came out (1990s)

I remember reading about hair cloning 7 years ago. Hair transpant surgeons don't seem confident of new treatments anytime soon from what i've heard.

 

[jd_uk]

Correct, but apparently cloned tissue is not rejected by your body because it (rightfully) thinks it is still you. Which is true!

Yes..that is correct. But cloning of hair follicles in humans hasn't been successfully been achieved unless i' ve completely missed something. Theory is one thing, practice is another. I don't want to knock anyones hopes but at the same time people shouldn't be getting excited about something which is likely a decade or more off being available to them. You can't live life hoping for the future which may not even come.

 

[buckthorn]

My bet is that in 2030 treatments wont be much better than they are now, if at all.

People continue to base the future on the past.. when has that ever worked in science. Sure it may work to some degree in economics, politics or history but it does NOT work in science.

You all can be as pessimistic as you want. I am simply saying the logic here makes no sense. No sense at all. Most of the advances in science today were also those doubted by many five, ten years ago. Biotech grows at an INCREDIBLE rate. As complicated as Androgenetic Alopecia is, I would actually be SHOCKED if we DIDN'T have a reasonable cure in the next five to ten years.

 

[jd_uk]

If you took just a few minutes to read about the last advances in treatments, you would realize you're making a fool of yourself right now.

It's like you're the only person on this forum who has no idea of what's going on. Worse, it seems you don't want to know!

My analysis:bald don't want better treatments to come out, you don't want other people to have to possibility of growing their hair back, you wish everyone was as hopeless as you are.

I was actually awaiting the 'you want everyone to be bald' response from you. Look, if there is a comercially available and affordable cure available within the next few years then I'll be happy for everyone, including myself. Unfortunately, I just can't see it happening. I'm happy for someone to show me that I'm wrong on this but generally even when a new medical treatment has been proven it takes years to come to market. All I have seen is half promises about what 'could' be possible or 'may' be available 'soon'. Again..happy to be proved wrong on this...

I realise that people want to be positive on future treatments and I do too but i remember hearing terms like histogen and Acell many years ago now.

 

[jd_uk]

People continue to base the future on the past.. when has that ever worked in science. Sure it may work to some degree in economics, politics or history but it does NOT work in science.

You all can be as pessimistic as you want. I am simply saying the logic here makes no sense. No sense at all. Most of the advances in science today were also those doubted by many five, ten years ago. Biotech grows at an INCREDIBLE rate. As complicated as Androgenetic Alopecia is, I would actually be SHOCKED if we DIDN'T have a reasonable cure in the next five to ten years.

This isn't just about science...it's about bringing a product to market. Which takes time, even if the science has been proven.. which it doesn't sound yet like it has.

 

[resu]

I agree, if proof of concept worked and the only issue was how to mass produce the same results I would be much more optimistic.

 

[yellowbluegrey]

Hair transpant surgeons don't seem confident of new treatments anytime soon from what i've heard.

Gee I wonder why, not like these new treatments threaten their entire way of making a living...

Also this thread is very sad and a little gross

 

[CopeForLife]

First who will invent cure for baldness'd become AMAZINGLY rich.

That is 4 sure.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

You did not take my ugliness and ED into account; then maybe that "excuse" may not be so poor after all. As I said, I objectively don't stand a chance with girls; besides the options for an inexpierenced, bald, ugly 24-year-old virgin are pretty nonexistent.

For now I'll seek professional help for my depression, and keep saving up money for a transplant. Then we shall see.

Good chance your finasteride-induced ED heals when you get off finasteride.

 

[yellowbluegrey]

You know what's weird, I'm becoming attached to you guys a little. David with his cool & calculated statements, Fred with his crazy anecdotes, Dante with his self-deprecating crippling depression, Buckthorn with his overuse of Breaking Bad references. Weird how a community can form around us all feeling shitty about a common thing.

(now realising I need uni to start again to give me something to do...)

 

[blackg]

You know what's weird, I'm becoming attached to you guys a little. David with his cool & calculated statements, Fred with his crazy anecdotes, Dante with his self-deprecating crippling depression, Buckthorn with his overuse of Breaking Bad references. Weird how a community can form around us all feeling shitty about a common thing.

(now realising I need uni to start again to give me something to do...)

When does uni start?