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Whta do you guys think of him?

It's weird that I usually can't be motivated by extreme cases. I find it difficult to relate to them.


You often see that and I don't know why. There was another example I saw on one of those UK tabloids and the guy had a really good looking gf while he had a deficiency.
 

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Not really.
Braces: 2 years
Weight training: 2 years
These two things are all you need to get back into the normal category. I'm not saying girls will suddenly flock to you, but at least you will not be viewed negatively for being a corpse.

Psychologists say that people usually adjust to an improved standard of life, with their happiness levels returning to the baseline. Except for plastic surgery where the effects are lifelong. Braces and weight training, being aesthetics related, fall under the same category. I have been viewing myself more positively once I got my teeth fixed at 30.

You're 24, so young. I wish I hadn't spent my 20s in a depressed state, shirking work and self improvement.

Source?
 

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Whta do you guys think of him?

It's weird that I usually can't be motivated by extreme cases. I find it difficult to relate to them.

Did you watch the movie The Sessions with Helen Hunt?

On that general subject, you bring up a common argument around here. And my standard answer is that we should follow general rules, not exceptions. Pursuing exceptions is not a great plan.
 

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"The fastest"? I gave up after years of suffering and humiliation. Imagine living the same sh*t for over 6 years without any result nor positive change and realizing that was all because of my appearance. And I only gave up on women, not on life, as you already know.

I lived the same sh*t for far longer than 6 years.

I was in the same Jewish school from age 4 to age 17, constantly bullied by other students and teachers every day. I grew up in a bullied environment. Sometimes I had friends and other people would lobby my friends to betray me, like it was a holy campaign, and eventually they did. I got a lot of comments on my teeth, my hair, my acne, my face, etc.I'd also get bullied at the neighbourhood swimming pool as the guy whose hair doesn't get wet (I had a Jewfro). I was rejected by all the girls I was interested in for a long time. Everything I did was devalidated, my work, my time in gym class, I'd be followed around randomly and verbally abused, all day every single school day for fourteen years, from age 4 (more so from age 7) to age 17.

Looking back I was no bouquet of flowers of myself. I did a lot of gross sh*t, rude sh*t, obnoxious sh*t because I didn't know better, which would have exacerbated all problems.

My parents would fight when I got home, my mother liked to scream for 2 or 3 hours minimum every day, she said that screaming helped her relax. One time, she was screaming the night before a calculus exam. I told her I had an exam the next day and needed to sleep. She said that's not appropriate, if I had prepared properly then the lack of sleep wouldn't affect me.

At an earlier age, we lived in an apartment, and the other tenants in the apartment would organize petitions to have our family kicked out, because my mother was screaming too much and bothering the rest of the building.

I coped by playing a lot of video games. During high school, I became one of the world's best players at Age of Empires II, that was fun and interesting. I saw the life cycle of going from rookie, to being an intermediate at something, to being an expert, to being an eclipsed former expert, and everything that goes into it.

My saving grace was my intelligence and drive, and also living in a socialist state (Quebec) meant I wasn't extremely poor, I didn't need $150,000 in student loans to finish university -- my life would be a lot worse if I had grown up in Tennessee. Got my first serious girl at age 23 which took a lot of work. I was working out and impressing intellectually and wearing nice clothes and it took a long courtship. A few years later I got a splendid PhD, finishing on time, including a ~500-page dissertation and 9 first-authored academic publications.

As an adult I dealt with early-onset erectile dysfunction which dwarfs the other problems. If you have physical health I think you have the single most important thing going for you.

You're also 24 years old, which is young, and you're not short. If you were 5'3 I'd have more understanding for you giving up on life. Women seemingly value height more than all other attributes, so if you're 5'3 it is reasonable to give up on life. You're 5'9 though, you're average height on the most important variable, so that limits how extreme your situation can be. FWIW I'm 1.81 meters, but with all my issues I would throw in the towel if I was 1.60 meters, I might have committed suicide by now honestly.
 
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Not really. My life didn't get better before I survived depression. My hair is still deteriorating. I was failing university. After an attempt at self harm, I realised how sh*t my life has become and I hated every minute of it. I did a lot of self help and got my life back on track in two year. It was a slow process. I attempted self harm again during those two-year period.



I moved to a different country for university. Zero friend. My depression started due to hair-unrelated reasons. Then there came the hair loss b/s which made my depression 10x worse. On top of that, due to my depression, I made very bad judgement and gone out with an emotionally abusive man for two years. I had barely any friends in university even though I lived in student hall. Then after undergrad, I moved to another city for postgrad, again, didn't know anyone before I moved here. I now have my gals who I can hang out and talk about my issues with. I even travelled around the world recently by myself and made some amazing friends in hostels who invited me to their home countries.
Dont mean to brag but there's life if you put yourself out there Dante.

My condolences for you having lived through an abusive relationship. I hope the precursors are behind you and that you never have to go through that again.
 

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That kind of look appeals more to younger girls. See also boy bands, Justin Bieber, etc. When I was in 7th grade, the most popular guy in my class with the girls was a 5-foot tall guy with a smooth baby face. Fifteen year old girls will often say that chest hair is disgusting and that they don't like muscles.

As women get older, rather as girls turn into women, their preferences on the whole shift to men who are tall, dark, muscular, powerful, hairy, etc. Mature women prefer masculine men.

This guy probably won't do as well in the future. And if he goes bald as you're predicting, it's game over.
 
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That kind of look appeals more to younger girls. See also boy bands, Justin Bieber, etc. When I was in 7th grade, the most popular guy in my class with the girls was a 5-foot tall guy with a smooth baby face. Fifteen year old girls will often say that chest hair is disgusting and that they don't like muscles.

As women get older, rather as girls turn into women, their preferences on the whole shift to men who are tall, dark, muscular, powerful, hairy, etc. Mature women prefer masculine men.

This guy probably won't do as well in the future. And if he goes bald as you're predicting, it's game over.

That was my point. Based on his aging history, he is not going to look more mature. He will just have more wrinkles and the baby face will stay.
I look young. Wouldn't say I have a baby face but I age a bit like Miranda Kerr (she is of course 10x more attractive)! Even as a woman, I feel self conscious and I was scared I would not be taken seriously at workplace. It really affected my confidence in front of my "older-looking" peers.

Also, you can tell his forehead is getting bigger from 19 to 24.
 

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Did you watch the movie The Sessions with Helen Hunt?

On that general subject, you bring up a common argument around here. And my standard answer is that we should follow general rules, not exceptions. Pursuing exceptions is not a great plan.

No I didn't.
I've been balding since the age of 21 as a woman, am I not an exception? Medically, no. To the society, yes.
 

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No I didn't.
I've been balding since the age of 21 as a woman, am I not an exception? Medically, no. To the society, yes.

The exception is the couple you posted. For most guys lacking arms and legs, or other comaprable problems, finding a great girl and having a great family is a losing proposition.
 

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@David_MPN - I am sorry you went through that, I truly am. We all appreciate the intelligence and curiosity you bring to the forum. Some people "live" in their twenties, when they don't know how to appreciate it. Some people truly live in their forties and fifties, when they know better than to take it for granted. I lived up my twenties. I hope I get another chance because I know the next time I will cherish every moment.
 

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@David_MPN - I am sorry you went through that, I truly am. We all appreciate the intelligence and curiosity you bring to the forum. Some people "live" in their twenties, when they don't know how to appreciate it. Some people truly live in their forties and fifties, when they know better than to take it for granted. I lived up my twenties. I hope I get another chance because I know the next time I will cherish every moment.

Thanks man. You're a smart and informative guy too and I like that you post here, and I know other good people like you too.

I feel like I'm running out of time. I turn 33 in November. I want children. Women who are desirable are predominantly taken. There are some desirable women left, but they want men who have more height, more money. more muscles, more hair, etc. I wish I knew how to put in all this effort when I was 24.

In general my experience is that I message women or swipe them online and then I never heard back. And then the media gives me article that the only thing women want are men who are kind and who are good listeners, and what women say is that they want men who read their profiles and know how to spell and hold doors.

I did manage to get some dates earlier in the year by dropping my standards to zero, literally, but it was a problematic approach. I am myself incapable of being attracted to a 3/10. Size 16 dress size is too big. The 5+/10 I went out with did not show interest. I stopped the experiment around April or so. Since then I've bought better clothes, got better pictures, and lost ~15 more lbs, so I might get better traction, I don't know.

I can lose 10-15 more lbs, and get a few surgical cosmetic treatments in the next 6 months, after that I'll have exhausted my potential.

ETA: I'm sorry I disliked the post. I just pressed the wrong button. I changed it to a like.
 

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Thanks man. You're a smart and informative guy too and I like that you post here, and I know other good people like you too.

I feel like I'm running out of time. I turn 33 in November. I want children. Women who are desirable are predominantly taken. There are some desirable women left, but they want men who have more height, more money. more muscles, more hair, etc. I wish I knew how to put in all this effort when I was 24.

In general my experience is that I message women or swipe them online and then I never heard back. And then the media gives me article that the only thing women want are men who are kind and who are good listeners, and what women say is that they want men who read their profiles and know how to spell and hold doors.

I did manage to get some dates earlier in the year by dropping my standards to zero, literally, but it was a problematic approach. I am myself incapable of being attracted to a 3/10. Size 16 dress size is too big. The 5+/10 I went out with did not show interest. I stopped the experiment around April or so. Since then I've bought better clothes, got better pictures, and lost ~15 more lbs, so I might get better traction, I don't know.

I can lose 10-15 more lbs, and get a few surgical cosmetic treatments in the next 6 months, after that I'll have exhausted my potential.

ETA: I'm sorry I disliked the post. I just pressed the wrong button. I changed it to a like.

Man, sh*t's tough, tougher for some than others. Sorry you're having such a hard time.

they want men who have more height, more money. more muscles, more hair, etc.

The best we can do is build up from the baseline life has dealt us. It definitely seems unfair that some people are just born with the qualities that will give them success, while others have to give up excessive amounts of personal resources and time just to be remotely competitive. Don't give up though. Sounds like you're taking all the right steps to do everything in your power to improve what you can. Keep fighting.

The things you've been through, and how you dealt with and continue to deal with them, show that you are a warrior.
 

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lol, try and be more bitter about life and insult people along the way you mean?
No thanks.

No I agree he has been insulting people a lot lately, but in his own life he is doing a lot better. He's a bit misogynistic lately because he was betrayed by his ex girlfriend.
 

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Thanks man. You're a smart and informative guy too and I like that you post here, and I know other good people like you too.

I feel like I'm running out of time. I turn 33 in November. I want children. Women who are desirable are predominantly taken. There are some desirable women left, but they want men who have more height, more money. more muscles, more hair, etc. I wish I knew how to put in all this effort when I was 24.

In general my experience is that I message women or swipe them online and then I never heard back. And then the media gives me article that the only thing women want are men who are kind and who are good listeners, and what women say is that they want men who read their profiles and know how to spell and hold doors.

I did manage to get some dates earlier in the year by dropping my standards to zero, literally, but it was a problematic approach. I am myself incapable of being attracted to a 3/10. Size 16 dress size is too big. The 5+/10 I went out with did not show interest. I stopped the experiment around April or so. Since then I've bought better clothes, got better pictures, and lost ~15 more lbs, so I might get better traction, I don't know.

I can lose 10-15 more lbs, and get a few surgical cosmetic treatments in the next 6 months, after that I'll have exhausted my potential.

ETA: I'm sorry I disliked the post. I just pressed the wrong button. I changed it to a like.

But you have height, muscle and hair, and I think money too? You posted your pic before and you look great. You could even post it now and get an opinion from others in this thread.

I don't think you're running out of time at just 32 either. From the way you post and what you've both posted about your life you're a very similar person to Zircon in every way, you're even around the same age, so maybe get him to help you set up a tinder acount as that has worked very well for him. Just get v**** for your ED and never worry about it again.
 

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But you have height, muscle and hair, and I think money too? You posted your pic before and you look great. You could even post it now and get an opinion from others in this thread.

I don't think you're running out of time at just 32 either. From the way you post and what you've both posted about your life you're a very similar person to Zircon in every way, you're even around the same age, so maybe get him to help you set up a tinder acount as that has worked very well for him. Just get v**** for your ED and never worry about it again.

My hair is thinning and diffusing rapidly. I'm a NW2.5 but could be a NW5 in two years. I cope by reading about Brotzu and Histogen. The quality of my hair in pics depends on the camera, the angle, the lighting, etc.

v****/Cialis/Levitra/l-arginine/horny goat weed only helps with nitric oxide. I don't have a nitric oxide problem. I wish people would stop bringing up v****.

I don't have muscle anymore. I was finally growing muscle, because I had figured out how to work out properly. But now I found out I've had a para-umbilical hernia. I cannot lift weights until I get the surgery, so I will atrophy rather than hypoertrophy between a month ago and two months from now.
 
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My hair is thinning and diffusing rapidly. I'm a NW2.5 but could be a NW5 in two years. I cope by reading about Brotzu and Histogen. The quality of my hair in pics depends on the camera, the angle, the lighting, etc.

v****/Cialis/Levitra/l-arginine/horny goat weed only helps with nitric oxide. I don't have a nitric oxide problem. I wish people would stop bringing up v****.

I don't have muscle anymore. I was finally growing muscle, because I had figured out how to work out properly. But now I found out I've had a para-umbilical hernia. I cannot lift weights until I get the surgery, so I will atrophy rather than hypoertrophy between a month ago and two months from now.

Take finasteride, use a penis pump, who cares if you can't bodybuild for a couple of months.
 
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