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[Empire]

I've googled hairloss and vitamin A and some sites say that doses over 25000 IU does cause hairloss after prolonged use...how much is that in mg ? 15 ?
http://allrecipes.com/HowTo/Does-Too-Mu ... etail.aspx

Some other sites suggest that taking biotin with it might help

I'd say the 25,000IU would be a risk factor for smaller framed women than anything. 15mg a day is low.

60,000IU would be a risk factor for the average male.

 

[Jack]

Hmm , 15mg is still over 15 times as much as the daily recommened dose.
I'd start with 2,5 mg daily maybe this will already lower sebum (derms sometimes prescribe such low doses here in europe for acne).

 

[Guest]

I've googled hairloss and vitamin A and some sites say that doses over 25000 IU does cause hairloss after prolonged use...how much is that in mg ? 15 ?
http://allrecipes.com/HowTo/Does-Too-Mu ... etail.aspx

Some other sites suggest that taking biotin with it might help

Yes, too much vitamin A does cause hair loss and not enough Vitamin D also causes hair loss. Our body makes Vitamin D but we need sunlight for this to happen. Not enough sunlight = not enough Vitamin D. Is this the cause for hair loss? no way but I thought I would throw it in.

Keep us posted Empire, I am a person who is in the early signs of male pattern baldness. At 22, I don't want to be a slave to finasteride and minoxidil for the rest of my life.

 

[billythekid]

I'll address this issue for the last time.. even though I've mentioned it a million times already.

ACCUTANE at 40mg, 60mg and 80mg a day has POSSIBLE temporary/permanent hair loss side effect. This side effect seems to be from the liver which fails to be able to produce biotin. After the drug is stopped, hair loss is persistent as the liver is too damaged to produce biotin for healthy hair. 5000mg of biotin a day has regrown hair for these sufferers. GOOGLE IT.

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I started with no knowledge and in days I've become a doctor myself.. Google is your friend, so please do some research before giving input because it'll confuse the hell out of people!

Anyone can be a google scientist, but that does NOT make you a doctor.

I have done research, and you know what I found???

5mg and 10mg has been prescribed to treat acne. Even at these doses, hair shedding has been a reported side effect!

So maybe YOU should do your research.

I really hope that whatever you try works. But just because something seems to make sense in theory, it doesn't always pan out in real life.

Accutane is a dangerous drug, which is why most countries have strict controls over it.

 

[Guest]

if the sebum is the cause of hairloss ...how can we explain that:
1)women never go bald..they have sebum !

To support the OP, Men produce more sebum than woman.

To support el_duterino, some men only lose hair in mid-old age but as one ages, their sebum production declines, not increases. If sebum is the cause of hair loss, why don't older men regrow their hair?

If sebum build-up caused hair loss in women, more women would be bald.

 

[Jack]

5mg and 10mg has been prescribed to treat acne. Even at these doses, hair shedding has been a reported side effect!

What are your sources for these reports? Best I could find are some low dose accutane journals on acne.org , but those are often guys in male pattern baldness ages anyway which makes this highly anecdotical.
Unless you can post some studies , this is also just google science.
Low dose accutane hasn't been studied much at all .

 

[Guest]

Maybe I understood this thread wrong but I have posted here:

http://www.acne.org/messageboard/long-t ... try2557883

If I have misunderstood what's being said here, please let me know

 

[billythekid]

Maybe I understood this thread wrong but I have posted here:

http://www.acne.org/messageboard/long-t ... try2557883

If I have misunderstood what's being said here, please let me know

nice work, i was just going to do the same.

right about when my hairloss was at its most aggressive point, i noticed some acne on my shoulders which had never been there before. it could be just a coincidence but just maybe there is something there.

 

[Empire]

Maybe I understood this thread wrong but I have posted here:

http://www.acne.org/messageboard/long-t ... try2557883

If I have misunderstood what's being said here, please let me know

nice work, i was just going to do the same.

right about when my hairloss was at its most aggressive point, i noticed some acne on my shoulders which had never been there before. it could be just a coincidence but just maybe there is something there.

Can you refer me to a case where 5mg or 10mg a day has caused hair loss? I've been trying to find such a thing for days without luck?

 

[Guest]

Maybe I understood this thread wrong but I have posted here:

http://www.acne.org/messageboard/long-t ... try2557883

If I have misunderstood what's being said here, please let me know

nice work, i was just going to do the same.

right about when my hairloss was at its most aggressive point, i noticed some acne on my shoulders which had never been there before. it could be just a coincidence but just maybe there is something there.

Can you refer me to a case where 5mg or 10mg a day has caused hair loss? I've been trying to find such a thing for days without luck?

I also tried earlier, and I am good at searching. Could not find anything. Not to say it's not out there, but I couldn't find anything. Try and ask your doctor for his email address. Maybe you can communicate not as doctor/patient but as friends or something to that extent.

May be a good idea if he posts on here, if he really is that smart and knows this is the truth, he has some questions to answer but I really doubt this will work.

 

[Empire]

I also tried earlier, and I am good at searching. Could not find anything. Not to say it's not out there, but I couldn't find anything. Try and ask your doctor for his email address. Maybe you can communicate not as doctor/patient but as friends or something to that extent.

May be a good idea if he posts on here, if he really is that smart and knows this is the truth, he has some questions to answer but I really doubt this will work.

I'm not seeing him until my blood results next week. I doubt he'll even have time to use a forum, but I'll ask him nevertheless.

 

[helpmyhair]

I took accutane in my teenage years at about 40mg a day and it definitely dried out my entire body and it did do its job. I went from severe acne to mild acne. After discontinuing it, I heard about a vitamin called Pantothenic Acid (Vitamin B5) and heard it works like Accutane by reducing sebum production. So I went on it after to get rid of remaining acne and it made my skin near perfect I'm wondering if it too could help in hairloss in the same way that your Doctor was saying about accutane. If you wanna find out more, google Pantothenic Acid and Acne to get an idea of how it works.

I recently just started back on Panthothenic acid because when I used to take it, it took away pretty much any stress I had, and I've been having alot lately from hairloss, so perhaps it will also help in the sense that hairloss can be increased with stress, so I'm using it to counter that.

Lets get some thoughts regarding this.

 

[Thickandthin]

If you have hairloss from Accutane it will be in a telogen effluvium pattern - i.e. random and affecting the entire head. You will not develop a receding hairline from Accutane - you develop that from genetics.

 

[Empire]

I took accutane in my teenage years at about 40mg a day and it definitely dried out my entire body and it did do its job. I went from severe acne to mild acne. After discontinuing it, I heard about a vitamin called Pantothenic Acid (Vitamin B5) and heard it works like Accutane by reducing sebum production. So I went on it after to get rid of remaining acne and it made my skin near perfect I'm wondering if it too could help in hairloss in the same way that your Doctor was saying about accutane. If you wanna find out more, google Pantothenic Acid and Acne to get an idea of how it works.

I recently just started back on Panthothenic acid because when I used to take it, it took away pretty much any stress I had, and I've been having alot lately from hairloss, so perhaps it will also help in the sense that hairloss can be increased with stress, so I'm using it to counter that.

Lets get some thoughts regarding this.

Thank you for the info. I'll definately be doing some research on this tonight.

 

[Empire]

If you have hairloss from Accutane it will be in a telogen effluvium pattern - i.e. random and affecting the entire head. You will not develop a receding hairline from Accutane - you develop that from genetics.

Definately makes sense. And it wouldn't be in a male pattern baldness fashion, I'd assume it would attack the hair on the back and sides. Probably even body hair, hair is hair and all hairs need biotin. This is not hormone related hair loss so I'm assuming hair loss would be universal.

 

[Empire]

if the sebum is the cause of hairloss ...how can we explain that:
1)women never go bald..they have sebum !

To support the OP, Men produce more sebum than woman.

To support el_duterino, some men only lose hair in mid-old age but as one ages, their sebum production declines, not increases. If sebum is the cause of hair loss, why don't older men regrow their hair?

If sebum build-up caused hair loss in women, more women would be bald.

THIS question was answered today.

I was sitting down with a friend today having lunch. His skin looked oily, so I asked "Are you sweating?" He said "No, I've just got oily skin".

HOWEVER, he has no pimples. No acne?

For some reason.. bacteria isn't growing in the sebum build up in his skin. And this reminds me of many other people who have oily skin but no pimples or acne.

So Bacteria doesn't harbour ALL sebum build ups.. I'll try to find out why. This may answer why some people with oily skin don't have hair loss.. There is simply no bacteria growth in their hair follicles, hence no immune response, hence no inflammation, hence no reason for the immune system to prematurely boot the hair out.

 

[Empire]

OR! I've just thought about it some more.

Perhaps their immune systems aren't as strong?

I know that I hardly ever get sick.. and when I do.. its short lived. My friend however always has the Flu, the cold etc. Weaker immune system, so no inflammation response causing acne on his perhaps?

 

[billythekid]

I took accutane in my teenage years at about 40mg a day and it definitely dried out my entire body and it did do its job. I went from severe acne to mild acne. After discontinuing it, I heard about a vitamin called Pantothenic Acid (Vitamin B5) and heard it works like Accutane by reducing sebum production. So I went on it after to get rid of remaining acne and it made my skin near perfect I'm wondering if it too could help in hairloss in the same way that your Doctor was saying about accutane. If you wanna find out more, google Pantothenic Acid and Acne to get an idea of how it works.

topical vit B3 cream or niacinamide is meant to be helpful as well.

 

[$tackz]

Don't know why this troll thread has gone on so long.

Doesn't this guy make this kind of thread every few months?

 

[Empire]

Don't know why this troll thread has gone on so long.

Doesn't this guy make this kind of thread every few months?

*sighs*

So what village are you from?