Tfw Having Hair Is Not Nearly Enough

[Xander94]

There's more and more women who end up alone in their 30's-40's without kids by being to picky or slutty on their Chad hunt, in the end, this will maybe have the same effect on demography

When you look at the world demography chart, looks like an exponential chart now.
f*****g scary

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I didnt see @hairblues being alone in her 40s still gets top tier men from tinder

 

[Baldingat188]

It sure as hell beats being ugly and bald

I would love to be able to keep my hair for 30 years and become a silver fox. I'm short (5"6) but the silver fox halo would be to much to resist

 

[Saurabhaj]

Moron, mathematically this "problem" will never impact anyone on HairLossTalk.com during their lifetime. Unless you're living in India, China or similar shithole.

Similar shithole?
confidence of guy from failure history is confusing.

 

[CopeForLife]

Similar shithole?
A guy from failure history..

designated streets

 

[Saurabhaj]

There are people who have become multi-millionares because of population.

This is the difference in mentality between working class and entreprenuer.

 

[Saurabhaj]

Have you ever considered a limb-lengthening surgery? It's not so expensive and scary as most people think. In my country, for example, such operation in a well-known and reputable PhD costs from $2000 to $5000. I know one guy who went from 167 to 182 cm. He increased his tibia and femur, but also did an arm-lengthening, otherwise he would look like Tyrannosaurus rex, lol. Сomplete recovery takes from 6 to 9 months. Pain, from what I read, is bearable.

In my case, I would be more than satisfied with 5 additional cm's to my current height. 177 cm and Norwood 0—that's all what I need to have a decent look and confidence. Also, it's always possible to achieve even more height with some tricks like high platform and shoe-lifts. So, I am pretty nuts to have it done, ha-ha...

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Every person who undergoes hair transplant is going to be remember as "that guy who undergone hair transplant."
This thing is not related to my friend circle or anything.
I have heard this even from western guys.

How can any guy handle if he is forever labelled as the guy who did limb lengthning surgery.

My senior sir is one of the few doctors on planet Earth who were personally taught this Ilizarov technique by dr. Ilizarov.


We used to have one saying here.
You might get patients from 5 cities or 5 states or may be 5 countries.
This orthopedic surgeon had patients from 5 continents.

 

[Exodus2011]

It sure as hell beats being ugly and bald

I would love to be able to keep my hair for 30 years and become a silver fox. I'm short (5"6) but the silver fox halo would be to much to resist

mirin your number of dislikes. f*****g hell m8

 

[IdealForehead]

Every person who undergoes hair transplant is going to be remember as "that guy who undergone hair transplant."
This thing is not related to my friend circle or anything.
I have heard this even from western guys.

How can any guy handle if he is forever labelled as the guy who did limb lengthning surgery.

My senior sir is one of the few doctors on planet Earth who were personally taught this Ilizarov technique by dr. Ilizarov.

We used to have one saying here.
You might get patients from 5 cities or 5 states or may be 5 countries.
This orthopedic surgeon had patients from 5 continents.

What does that mean? Your "senior sir"? Do you mean you are a student of some kind of an orthopedic surgeon who is good at leg lengthening? Curious what they think about cosmetic leg lengthening if so.

Also f*** what people you know think. It's all about what people you haven't met think. Ie. Girls you want to f***. Most people wouldn't know or understand why you all of a sudden were 2-2.5 inches taller anyway. You can easily camouflage this also by wearing lifts for a year before the surgery.

 

[Trichosan]

It would take me a year to write up everything I know about ...penis enlargement...

Just give me the short course.

 

[whatevr]

It's better than being short, ugly AND bald atleast

 

[IdealForehead]

Just give me the short course.

Okay. Simple basics.

• Gentle traction is likely the most effective method for penis enlargement and there are numerous published studies showing you can gain about an inch in erection length and maybe half an inch in girth from stretching. The best devices for traction are likely the Phallosan Forte or a device like this which is much cheaper but follows the same principle. In order to make gains from traction, you need to wear it for at least 8 hours a day (ie. overnight while sleeping). This is the hardest part, as you may find it difficult to sleep with one of these on you. That's always been my biggest problem.
• A lot of people say jelqing can help and give serious results, but in my opinion jelqing can also damage the valves and vessels of the penis. A lot of guys who jelq suffer serious injuries from doing it. Probably not a great idea.
• Bathmate is likely a waste of time and will just cause temporary edema to your dick making it look like a swollen slug after use for an hour or two.
• Chemical penis enlargement involves rubbing Adractim (DHT gel) on your dick and/or injecting Caverject directly into the penis. The idea of DHT gel is to saturate the androgen receptors of the dick, and the Caverject is to try to get and maintain an erection for as long as possible to stimulate stretching of the tissues. Obviously this is really dangerous.

Some guys get good results but there is a high injury rate as well and some guys just don't seem to grow no matter what they do, suggesting just like everything, there is an individual variation in responsiveness.

 

[CopeLikeThePope]

Agreed.

Currently topical, 2 mL at bed after showering and 0.5 mL in morning to hairline:

Darolutamide 0.25%
RU58841 7.5%
Minoxidil 4.5%
Niacinamide 5%

Adding Desloratadine 1% as of tonight. I still pop 2.5 mg minoxidil orally on average once or twice a day but I'm less regular with that since it's rough on my face and shouldn't be necessary. I do 10 min of LLLT with red laser a few times a week. Just trying to expedite things.

I have never heard about Darolutamide 0.25%, not sure about Niacinamide and definitely no idea about Desloratadine. Where did you get these from? Where can i learn about them in the context of hairloss?
And are you using all of that on a single product mixed?

Never tried RU. Heard daily chronic usage could do a boomerang effect on the androgen receptors.. scared.

What was your Norwood level before seeing visible regrowth? Im starting to see diffusion on my hairline and I feel like going ER. If it continues I will not be able to leave my bedroom forever.

 

[IdealForehead]

I have never heard about Darolutamide 0.25%, not sure about Niacinamide and definitely no idea about Desloratadine. Where did you get these from? Where can i learn about them in the context of hairloss?
And are you using all of that on a single product mixed?

Never tried RU. Heard daily chronic usage could do a boomerang effect on the androgen receptors.. scared.

What was your Norwood level before seeing visible regrowth? Im starting to see diffusion on my hairline and I feel like going ER. If it continues I will not be able to leave my bedroom forever.

Darolutamide is a highly experimental androgen receptor antagonist. See the anti-androgen forum for info on that. It is completely unregulated and not yet approved for human use. It will be used for prostate cancer when it makes it to market.

Niacinamide is a simple vitamin B with only mild benefits for reducing sebum and inflammation. It does not have very impressive evidence for hair so I wouldn't stress it either way. I get it from herbstoreusa.com. Cheap as dirt. I like it on my face more than on my hair to be honest.

Desloratadine is an antihistamine with mast cell stabilizing effects, reducing PGD2 and other inflammatory mediators that contribute to the "male pattern baldness itch". Cetirizine 1% has been shown to promote hair growth in at least two studies. Cetirizine is basically the same as desloratadine, but cetirizine is not stable in alcohol formulations, so desloratadine makes more sense to me. I got it from Geekee Biochem on Alibaba.

Yes, I am using it all together. My hairline at its absolute worse 2 months ago was a deep NW2 with thinning to the NW3 range under harsh lighting. Seeing that deep thinning put me into a severe panic and I went on all sorts of crazy meds like cyproterone, spironolactone, and now topical darolutamide. I'm quite happy with the topical darolutamide so far, though I can't really recommend it to anyone else, because who knows what this stuff will do long term? Could be very problematic.

But I'm back to a NW1.5-2 range on both sides now with no deep thinning, and continuing to regrow hair steadily, so can't really complain at least about that. Nice to have one part of the equation figured out. Even if it just reminds you how many other problems you have that you can't fix, and how much time you spent obsessing over your hair.

It's a mixed bag. But overall obviously I'm happy to be regrowing hair irrespective of anything else. It's just that you spend so long hoping for something, and then when you get it, you realize it's not enough. Feels like the "minimum requirement" for what I want is so f*****g high I can never get there.

 

[CopeLikeThePope]

Darolutamide is a highly experimental androgen receptor antagonist. See the anti-androgen forum for info on that. It is completely unregulated and not yet approved for human use. It will be used for prostate cancer when it makes it to market.

Niacinamide is a simple vitamin B with only mild benefits for reducing sebum and inflammation. It does not have very impressive evidence for hair so I wouldn't stress it either way. I get it from herbstoreusa.com. Cheap as dirt. I like it on my face more than on my hair to be honest.

Desloratadine is an antihistamine with mast cell stabilizing effects, reducing PGD2 and other inflammatory mediators that contribute to the "male pattern baldness itch". Cetirizine 1% has been shown to promote hair growth in at least two studies. Cetirizine is basically the same as desloratadine, but cetirizine is not stable in alcohol formulations, so desloratadine makes more sense to me. I got it from Geekee Biochem on Alibaba.

Yes, I am using it all together. My hairline at its absolute worse 2 months ago was a deep NW2 with thinning to the NW3 range under harsh lighting. Seeing that deep thinning put me into a severe panic and I went on all sorts of crazy meds like cyproterone, spironolactone, and now topical darolutamide. I'm quite happy with the topical darolutamide so far, though I can't really recommend it to anyone else, because who knows what this stuff will do long term? Could be very problematic.

But I'm back to a NW1.5-2 range on both sides now with no deep thinning, and continuing to regrow hair steadily, so can't really complain at least about that. Nice to have one part of the equation figured out. Even if it just reminds you how many other problems you have that you can't fix, and how much time you spent obsessing over your hair.

It's a mixed bag. But overall obviously I'm happy to be regrowing hair irrespective of anything else. It's just that you spend so long hoping for something, and then when you get it, you realize it's not enough. Feels like the "minimum requirement" for what I want is so f*****g high I can never get there.

Link to said anti androgen forum? What's the monthly price for your current darolutamide usage? I couldn't care less about sides, I never get sides, I just want hair. My DHT is very high naturally, im bullet proof, I just need f*****g hair on my scalp. Im entering that insanity area too of a diffusing hairline starting to show. The problem I have with chronic androgen receptor antagonists is adaptation and thus increased hairloss once it stops making any effect... (which again is why I never used RU. I used topical spironolactone on the weekends for a while, it did sh*t nothing but give me greasy hair and bad smell)

Desloratadine sounds great and something I probably need. I suffer from male pattern baldness itch, the finasteride and minoxidil foam help a bit but not completely, this may be the missing piece. I suspect mastocytosis as well. I tried cet orally, unsuccessfully, I didn't notice anything. What's the monthly price on this thing? Also can you trust alibaba chinks on something as sensitive as meds? they are evil merchants.

How would you even know what is working anyway? that's a heavy mix.

 

[IdealForehead]

Link to said anti androgen forum? What's the monthly price for your current darolutamide usage? I couldn't care less about sides, I never get sides, I just want hair. My DHT is very high naturally, im bullet proof, I just need f*****g hair on my scalp. Im entering that insanity area too of a diffusing hairline starting to show. The problem I have with chronic androgen receptor antagonists is adaptation and thus increased hairloss once it stops making any effect... (which again is why I never used RU. I used topical spironolactone on the weekends for a while, it did sh*t nothing but give me greasy hair and bad smell)

Desloratadine sounds great and something I probably need. I suffer from male pattern baldness itch, the finasteride and minoxidil foam help a bit but not completely, this may be the missing piece. I tried cet orally, unsuccessfully, I didn't notice anything. What's the monthly price on this thing? Also can you trust alibaba chinks on something as sensitive as meds? they are evil merchants.

How would you even know what is working anyway? that's a heavy mix.

I don't need to know what's working. I just need my hair back, and it's accomplishing that. That's the point. That's the only point.

Daro thread:
https://www.hairlosstalk.com/intera...01-a-better-topical-than-enzalutamide.105402/

But again, I really don't recommend it. Too experimental at this stage. Still adjusting dose myself. Read the whole thread if you're curious. Current usage is costing me around $2.50 USD per day.

If you are desperate, you should really try the high dose RU like 5-10% twice daily first. Androgen receptor adaptation will only happen to a small extent. If you use a high enough dose of any antagonist you should be able to override it.

I test my chemicals as described here:
https://www.hairlosstalk.com/intera...or-structural-confirmation-and-purity.110078/

 

[CopeLikeThePope]

If you are desperate, you should really try the high dose RU like 5-10% twice daily first. Androgen receptor adaptation will only happen to a small extent. If you use a high enough dose of any antagonist you should be able to override it./

Thanks for input, but where did you get that claim from?

And also, don't forget we are in this forever. We depend on treatments for life. You can't expect to be raising dose indefinitely. At some point it collapses. I would like to know people that has used RU daily with good results to feel better, a decent pool of people then decide.

Also: any comments on PRP therapy? i've seen some people injecting finasteride, minoxidil, even dutasteride. I wonder how viable this is.

 

[IdealForehead]

Thanks for input, but where did you get that claim from?

And also, don't forget we are in this forever. We depend on treatments for life. You can't expect to be raising dose indefinitely. At some point it collapses. I would like to know people that has used RU daily with good results to feel better, a decent pool of people then decide.

First of all, nothing on the planet can override darolutamide. It's the strongest thing there is. Not even aggressive prostate cancers can beat it, as long as they are androgen dependent.

It is true that androgen deprivation/blockade will likely lead to upregulation of androgen receptors. But the only studies I've seen on it suggest it's a transient and weak process. I haven't researched it too extensively because it's simply not something I worry about or think is anything to worry about based on what I've seen.

As an example, this was an animal study of how castration (both physical - cutting off the nuts, and chemical with the androgen receptor antagonist flutamide, etc.) affected androgen receptor expression in the prostates of rats.

Here was their primary finding on physical castration, which matched what they saw with chemical castration:

In other words, there was a temporary increase in androgen receptor expression after the castration, but it went back to normal levels within a week.

Here is what they had to say about it:

So like I said, it's not something I worry about.

PRP is okay for growth stimulation effect. I had some standard PRP done a few years ago. But for male pattern baldness, you must find a solution to the androgen problem above all else or things like PRP won't make a difference. PRP is like icing on a cake.

 

[CopeLikeThePope]

First of all, nothing on the planet can override darolutamide. It's the strongest thing there is. Not even aggressive prostate cancers can beat it, as long as they are androgen dependent.

It is true that androgen deprivation/blockade will likely lead to upregulation of androgen receptors. But the only studies I've seen on it suggest it's a transient and weak process. I haven't researched it too extensively because it's simply not something I worry about or think is anything to worry about based on what I've seen.

As an example, this was an animal study of how castration (both physical - cutting off the nuts, and chemical with the androgen receptor antagonist flutamide, etc.) affected androgen receptor expression in the prostates of rats.

Here was their primary finding on physical castration, which matched what they saw with chemical castration:

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In other words, there was a temporary increase in androgen receptor expression after the castration, but it went back to normal levels within a week.

Here is what they had to say about it:

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So like I said, it's not something I worry about.

PRP is okay for growth stimulation effect. I had some standard PRP done a few years ago. But for male pattern baldness, you must find a solution to the androgen problem above all else or things like PRP won't make a difference. PRP is like icing on a cake.

The study is interesting, but I see two flaws:

1) It is done on rats. Rats are known to grow hair so easily. A ton of treatments that never worked within human scalp worked on rat tissue. I would need to see this study on human scalp.

2) Duration of the study. I would like to see a longer period, ideally of a couple of months, to cement the notion.

In any case, let me know how it goes for you. If you are still doing ok in a couple of months, I may bite the bullet and go for it. I just can't my let hairline go, im going nuts. I may only try it on one temple to experiment so I can confirm it's the new treatment.

 

[razzmatazz91]

Every person who undergoes hair transplant is going to be remember as "that guy who undergone hair transplant."

Seriously though. How do guys who get hair transplants handle that?

@shookwun @Wolf Pack @JeanLucBB
Would love to hear your thoughts especially

Edit:
Another honourable mention : @WhitePolarBear
How could I forget?

 

[blackg]

Why is the kid not wearing underwear in the before/after pictures, lol WTF is that about haha

Don't go there.