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[shookwun]

To be fair to the guy you are replying to, and I'm not sure which country you are in, but a lot of men feel like this. The reason being that in the dating game, particularly these days, women often have the upper hand. Online dating made things very straightforward for women where if they wanted sex then they could get it in an instant (not that it was too difficult before). In the UK for sure, that coupled with a new type of feminism which says that girls are cool to take what they want when they want has lead to a sense of entitlement in a lot of women and that is where the resentment from a lot of guys comes from.

Now, I am clearly not someone who believes in baldness being the end of the world like many on here. But I do understand why a lot of guys feel the way they do. On a dating site you will see it - the average looking women only 'giving a chance' to the very best looking guys in her mind (just because she can)...having her fun until she is late 20's/early 30's then panicking and settling with any old guy. It has almost become so easy for many women that most barely take care of themselves/put on weight etc, because it isn't really going to impact on their dating prospects hugely.

The intelligent guy sees things like online dating for what it is and maybe uses it as an occasional extra option but instead focuses on improving himself and generally being sociable in other areas. That is when things become more balanced and a guy who has a strong frame (metaphorically) can have a great dating life even if he isn't 6ft+ with pretty hair and a handsome face. Many of the most outspoken 'redpill' guys on this forum are almost exclusively online daters - it is a surefire way to become bitter.

I agree with this.

Most men who are not exceptionally good looking, will have a far better chance at meeting, and dating women in real life situations. being able to showcase there personality..

Online dating can be harsh, where women will only give handsome men generally a chance at dating. I dont blame them though, when a guy is swiping on every single women, why would they choose an average guy when they can have a hot one? men operate the same way, but given our options and the bad hand, we have stiff competition.

 

[hairblues]

That´s why it is ok for some, when the husband is going bald. It is an excuse for them to become fat themselves.

did your girlfriend or wife get fat?

i want to know what your experience is with women--not other guys.

 

[hairblues]

I agree, the things you mentioned are unavoidable.

Of course having kids means that your sex life is going to suffer to some extent.

Women care about looks at any age, and in my experience, they get even pickier with age if they don't want to settle down.

If they want to settle down, they know the drill, find some average NW3.5 beta who is guaranteed to stay with them since they have almost no other option.

I've seen so many former highschool hotties use that strategy on my Facebook it's not even funny.

One day they'll miss their former life, and when that happens, I wouldn't want to be in their boyfriend's shoes.

These girls would not have touched an average balding guys with a 10 foot pole when they were in their prime.

I remember them mocking and rejecting guys for the tiniest flaw and always dating tall NW1 muscular guys who seemed to have jumped right out of a Diet Coke commercial.

But hey, they were reaching their late 20's, quick! Let's find a sucker to support me before I lose too much sex appeal!

yeah but your ex GF who had the abortion without telling you--don't you now see things in her that you did not see while you were with her?

wasn't it a learning experience of certain things you now know would not work for you in a relationship in future?

Are there things about your current GF personality or outlook on life that you appreciate more so maybe even more so now then you would have before your former GF?

I mean obviously and sadly it would make me think that your new GF would be a better Mother than you old GF perhaps..also a better life partner since she did something so huge without consulting you.

At very least without criticizing her i would say she was 'sneaky' to do that.

Attraction can be blinding to faults--that later become magnified.

Once you start seeing it you can actually change what you find attractive. It naturally changes. Im not talking 'physically pleasing' i mean when someone starts talking and you learn the personality.

 

[kj6723]

At this point in my life I just cannot relate to people letting themselves go

I've been eating kind of shitty for the last couple weeks, and even though my abs are still very visible there's a tiny layer of fat beginning to develop and I'm like, "ok, time to pull back a bit with the eating"

Like that picture shook posted of Vin Diesel with his shirt off....I'd be freaking out LONG before even getting close to that point

I just can't relate to it. There has to be something else going on that causes people to let their bodies get like this....? Seeing sh*t like that honestly worries me that at some point in my life a switch is going to flip and I'm going to become complacent about my aesthetics. f*** I hope I never get to that point

 

[IggyPop]

did your girlfriend or wife get fat?

i want to know what your experience is with women--not other guys.

I don´t care what you want, my life is/was very strange, nevertheless here is the short version:

I was ugly most of my life, then within a short time I became really good looking. And now I am starting to become ugly again. It was absolutly ridiculous how girls/women suddenly started to treat me after I had become good looking. And I am talking about "women" from 13 to 53.

Now that I am starting to become ugly again, I am feeling so depressed about going back to where I am started.

 

[jd_uk]

I agree with this.

Most men who are not exceptionally good looking, will have a far better chance at meeting, and dating women in real life situations. being able to showcase there personality..

Online dating can be harsh, where women will only give handsome men generally a chance at dating. I dont blame them though, when a guy is swiping on every single women, why would they choose an average guy when they can have a hot one? men operate the same way, but given our options and the bad hand, we have stiff competition.

Yep. Just basic supply and demand and online dating is a marketplace where a woman's value is elevated because every guy swipes or messages them. As a man, even as a decent looking man then you must be able to 'approach' women in real life. Otherwise it is just a case of accepting what you are given on an online dating site - which may not be what you are happy with. The concept of confidence is mocked on here but while women are clearly interested in looks just like guys are, without confidence then you are just relying on being chosen.

 

[jd_uk]

Women always do the choosing, if you can't get a woman through online dating, you won't get her in real life either.

Is there ever a point where you stop and think 'maybe what i'm writing is wrong because there are countless examples to the contrary'?

Most men can get a woman online dating. It is just unlikely to be the type of woman that they want. Women will get 10x the number of messages online that guys do hence they hold all the power in thst "marketplace'. Elsewhere, women still hold a lot of power but not as much as online because many guys (like you) are scared to approach. Women are often confused (and annoyed) by the guys who will look and stare but don't have it in them to start an interaction. There are however millions of (more confident) men everyday who do approach women to begin an interaction which later turns sexual - it is normal human behaviour and has been since the beginning of time.

And stop with the 'in my culture' nonsense. I have travelled around Europe quite a bit and it never really changes anywhere. I remember you trying to claim that it was illegal in Belgium to talk to women in the street...the reality is that there is an ambiguous law saying that sexual harassment is prohibited (i.e. crude, indimidating remarks etc).

You have said yourself that you are desperately scared of rejection - that is why you are limited to online dating.

 

[jd_uk]

You can only get one type of woman: your looksmatched. None of the women I've been with from online (90%) and offline (10%) were way hotter or way uglier than me.

Ugly women would think I'm joking if I messaged them (why would I anyway?) and I would kid myself if I tried to message hot women (I did for the lol though, it's useless of course, since they have plenty of guys on their level).

You know nothing about dating websites. Women don't get tons of messages anymore. Do you even know how dating apps work these days? The women actually have to match you otherwise you can't even talk to them!

I did get women in real life multiple times, but it happens once in a blue moon, it was always a big stroke of luck. Think about all the variables that need to be just right for it to happen: she needs to be single (that already removes 50% of the women out there), looking (another 25% that's out), not indisposed at that particular moment, shaved (yes), not with friends who might 'protect' her from you.

I could go on.

Online, you know that they are available immediately. There's a reason it exists, and there's a reason that it's so popular around the world. It's a better matchmaking option, especially for introverted people like me and believe it or not, many women out there.

Before that, people would just go to a nightclub (here in Belgium at least, since bars are not made to meet people but to go out with your friends and stay with your friends). I still do that sometimes, and it works pretty well for me too. Why? Because nightclubs, just like online dating, were made for that. Meeting people there is expected and encouraged. If you meet the minimum looks threshold of course.

Yes, I am scared of rejection. But I almost never get rejected so I don't really care about it. Girls always make the first move, open your eyes and capitalize on it. Only PUA retards approach a girl who didn't 'invite' them and start spittin' mad game!

- yes i very much know how dating sites work and how easy it is for women. A girl casually dated showed me her tinder...she said she didnt use it much because every single swipe was a match etc.. (She was showing off a bit). I got her phone and swiped maybe 30 times. Sure enough, every single one was a match. She was a decent looking girl but i have female friends who are less good looking and get inundated with messages too (on pof for example). It isn't the best option for guys.

You are scared of rejection as you say. That is very common. The guys who aren't scared of rejection and who are prepared to take risks often get the most attractive girls. One of my mates has probably never even heard of 'game' but he is a salesman by career and talks to anyone, anywhere. He has zero fear. He is no more than average looking but he gets more women than most guys i've ever known. He has a girlfriend but does regularly cheat on her (not something I agree with myself) but the girls are always ones he has met in the daytime or at night. His whole selling point is his fun personality/ability to 'banter' as we say in the UK.

 

[tellersquill]

Fear in sales is usually down to outcome dependence. You essentially care too much if they say yes or no. After a long time doing it you don't give a damn because you gain confidence through experience and success.

You grew to learn that if you approach 10 people then 1 person will say yes.

I suppose you can apply that to dating.

Maybe an 8 out of 10 guy would get 5 out of 10 women he approached and maybe a 5 out of 10 guy would only get 1 in 10.

But once you find an average you can go on quite fearlessly.

 

[shookwun]

Trump for most alpha man of the year award.

Nobody stumps the Trump

 

[jd_uk]

I just thought of something: the explanation to why a lot of guys like @jd_uk lose it when I say that you need to wait for a sign from the woman to approach: it's because they barely ever get any signs, therefore, they can't believe that women actually signal guys they like that they want to be approached.

No sign = no interest. They have no reason to hide it.

You're kidding nobody. Well certainly not me. You didn't 'just think' of anything. You are reading off the same broken script which every single one of those red pill conspiracy videos writes (one of which you are even featured in!). "People who dont believe this theory dont get looks from women...". You have reguritated this same script pretty much every single day on this forum for at least the last year.

By your logic, I would never have got laid in my life because 1) apparently i get no 'invites' from women and 2) an invite is a prerequisite for a sexual interaction. Except I do have a lot of experience with women, and away from dating sites. Because of your rigid beliefs and you complete fear of rejection then you are somewhat emasculated - the woman has 100% control over you and your life basically because according to you then what you say, what you do, how you do it etc has no bearing on any outcome. That is your problem and I'm glad I don't share it or I'd be a lot more bitter.

 

[That Guy]

I went from being a long-haired dude who didn't really give af about his appearance and never getting the girl no matter how "confident" I was.

to getting a much better, shorter haircut, getting my teeth filled and whitened, better skin care, better clothes, etc. and then I suddenly didn't get "no" as the exclusive answer to dating women I previously only lusted over. I've never joined a dating site.

It is purely about looks. In combination with personality, etc. it forms the ingredients for healthy, long-term relationships. However, without it that first ingredient appealing to the recipient of your affections, nothing else matters. Deal with it.

 

[Patrick_Bateman]

What is 'sales' anyway, do they trick people into buying sh*t?
Personally when I walk into a store I already know what I want and just go buy it. If I'm going to buy something expensive like a car I research for days on my own online.
Why do we even need people to tell us how great their own products are, does anyone listen to them?

 

[CaptainForehead]

What is 'sales' anyway, do they trick people into buying sh*t?
Personally when I walk into a store I already know what I want and just go buy it. If I'm going to buy something expensive like a car I research for days on my own online.
Why do we even need people to tell us how great their own products are, does anyone listen to them?

Most people do not research for days.
Part of sales is tricking people. Part of it is listening to their needs, or even better convincing them that they have needs, and giving them appropriate options.

 

[hairblues]

Trump for most alpha man of the year award.

Nobody stumps the Trump

I would not say he's an alpha male

He's a sales man.

Figure out what people want to hear and keep saying it.

 

[tellersquill]

Sales is like spam approaching women.

None of their BS techniques actually work, but sometimes, they stumble upon a client who actually wants to be tricked by that particular person, for no other reason that they find the person likable.

My best friend is an insurance salesman, and he's explained to me how and why he made successful deals.

Usually, it's for no other reason that he 'clicks' with his or her client.

There was this guy who was into soccer, just like him, they hit it off immediately and it was like they had been best friends for years.

The guy invited him to have a beer with him and my friend had almost forgotten to pitch about his offer.

In the end, he signed, just because he liked my friend.

At the same time, he goes to clients he does not get along with, and no matter how much he tries to show off his skills, he can never change the outcome.

So much for sales being a skill. It's about luck and stumbling on people who are on your team by default as I call it.

It's the same with women, every 100, there will be one who will be all over them because she's actually sexually attracted to the guy before he even opened his mouth.

My friend even slept with one of his clients, and of course, he also closed the deal with her afterwards.

So much for: "See?! Sales/game works!" No it doesn't, sales/game is a pretty ineffective way to do business/to get women in my opinion.

The only way I can prove you wrong is to get five men with your pics and to go on somewhere like pof and see how many men can get dates based on your looks and there verbal game.

I absolutely promise you that each person will get different results based on their online skills - theyre ability to chat, articulate themselves, ask questions etc.

Some guys don't even have the social skill to even do it online!

 

[tellersquill]

Don't forget you're talking to a man who has slept with around 30 women from online dating and has had over a 100 dates. I'm probably the one man on this forum with more experience than you.

I've got decent looking male mates who aren't do that well. It comes down to a 1000 factors - ability to put time into it, good at chatting online, spelling (some women wont date an idiot), humour - all these can be factors.

 

[IggyPop]

I just thought of something: the explanation to why a lot of guys like @jd_uk lose it when I say that you need to wait for a sign from the woman to approach: it's because they barely ever get any signs, therefore, they can't believe that women actually signal guys they like that they want to be approached.

Exactly.

I used to be ugly (or average at best) for most of my life but started to become rather good looking within a really short time. It was ridiculous how suddenly so many young pretty girls were standing/sitting next to me in the supermarket, in the train or at University.
I was being asked stupid questions so that at first I started wondering whether these chicks were somehow retarted.

As long as you aren´t totally aspie it is very obvious if you have a chance with women. Cold approaches are rather useless, probably even harmful (no girl will want you, if she notices you have been rejected countless times before approaching her). PU is mostly bullshit, but one central aspec ist, that the best way to get female attention is not to care about women. I basically agree with that.

 

[tellersquill]

Ha! I have roughly same numbers, in 5 years of active dating. 87 dates in total.

Did you actually believe that your chatting skills, spelling and humor mattered? Just lol! (Hadn't used that one in a long time)

It's easy to talk normally, to not spell like a moron and to be a minimum playful and nice.

If have good-looking friends who also thought it was their skills doing the trick.

They laughed at me for being so direct, yet their stats are not better than mine despite trying to be witty and writing targeted messages based on the girl's profile.

Your pictures, your looks were the deciding factor. Stop deluding yourself.

You don't believe me? Well, use that guy below as your profile picture and see how far your humor and smooth-talking will take you!

Lol, can't believe how blue-pilled some people are.

Yep, I've not responded to women who use txt speech. I know women who do the same thing.

I actually sampled openers a year back on tinder.

If I just said 'HI' I would get 3 out of 10 responses.
If I wrote: 'You're stunning, lets chat' I got a 7 out of 10 response.
When I wrote something personalised I got a 9 out of 10 response.

I promise - just try different openers, do the test yourself, and you will be surprises how much your messages can change the outcome of interactions.

 

[IggyPop]

Thank you.

Since they don't get signs, they can't possibly think that so few girls like them.

So of course they'll encourage you to approach indiscriminately, surely there are plenty of girls who want my c*** but don't signal it to me, because... because they're sh*t-testing me, they want me to boldly approach them without an invitation, so I can prove how much of a real man I am!

What a load of PUA nonsense. Yeah, when women see a man they find hot, they'll shoot themselves in the foot and hide their interest. Some guys have watched too many Hollywood movies, where the woman hiding her interest is actually used to create tension and a more interesting plot than: "Hello, do you come here often? *Some more platitudes* " "Wanna go to my place?" "OK" which is how it happens in real life, at least according to my experience.

Ask the truly good-looking guys, they'll tell you. Women make sure that you notice them if they like you.

Women always make the first move, except for PUA retards who get rejected 99 times before stumbling by chance upon a woman who likes them.

sh*t-tests are literally sh*t (=they don´t exist). Though there are actually girls who are a bit shy and have a bit of trouble looking into your eyes if they like you. The look is hard to describe, but very easy to notice (for Non-Aspies) after a few times: A smile combined with eyes pointing down to the left or right side.