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[frankwhite]

Obama was treated with a unique level of disrespect from day one, and inherited the worst economy in recent memory. That doesn't mean you can't be disappointed with many aspects of his presidency.

While unemployment has technically gone down since he first took office, this is small consolation to the many Americans that work multiple low paid jobs, have no work related benefits, and still can't make ends meet. We are disconnected from this reality in the northeast and liberal west coast.

The economy has changed and most people are not doing any better than they were before the recession. Income inequality is growing, there are fewer solid jobs you can feed a family with, and there doesn't seem like there's much to do about it aside from increase welfare or create another bubble. Neither is a solution.

I won't get started on foreign policy other than saying our approach on the mideast went from GWB's haphazardness to naivete. Overall, I would guess we are seen by the world as weaker now than we were 8 years ago. With all that said, I thought Obama had good intentions, particularly with regard to healthcare and poor Americans.

This all to say that reasonable people can disagree on Obama's legacy.

 

[hairblues]

Many of the people I know are also doing well, he's been a good president for academia. I meant the economy as a whole, not certain privileged sectors like academia, hollywood, wall street, etc.

i dont know why you keep talking to me like i am having lunch with studio heads and I live in a penthouse.

i am not in a bubble.

I know many friends who have opened small business over the past few years..I can think of two off top of my head and neither one was a big business one was a small restaurant in suburbs and tother other was a salon also in a lower income area.

I know many friends who almost lost homes to mortgage companies in 2008 but Obama made it possible for them to be protected and when i say homes i am talking about $300,000-500,000 homes NOT wealthy homes--middle class homes...I can think of two off top of my head i am sure there is more.

I know many people who now have insurance who did not have insurance...i think 20 million people are currently insured and it would have been a lot more if the Republican Governors did not block the medicaid expansion...they did this to sabotage him...because if it had been double the amount of people allowed with the expansion then the more people insured and the premiums would have come down for people buying insurance.

Obama also increased Pell grants for college students

He created something for single Mothers to go back to school for free or at a lesser expense or free if qualified.

These things helped people.

I honestly do not know anyone who is in a bad place or worse place compared to 8 years ago. Are they out there?
sure of course its 300 million people.

the health care for people who are making good money and have to buy it themselves--that is definitely killing people--but that was killing people 8 years ago also. IT sucks and i wish it could be fixed without throwing out the whole Obama care..but thats not how Republican work.



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[Afro_Vacancy]

The U.S. economy is still ranked number one in the world.

The US economy will continue be ranked number 1 in the world in terms of gross domestic product (a flawed statistic) for a very long time. However, there are structural problems contributing to long-term secular decline, problems that Obama has either failed to address, or exacerbated. There are massive, parasitic sectors in the USA such as post-secondary education, pharmaceuticals, housing, et cetera and there's been no attempt to address these. All of the structural problems have gotten worse. Meanwhile, life expectancy is declining, and the violent crime rate is increasing again.

I don't actually believe that Trump will address these problems. I would love to believe it, to buy into that kind of soma, and he may well fix one or two things, but there's just no evidence that he has the will to undertake the necessary reforms. Though he talks a big game of draining the swamp, his walk is of Goldman Sachs appointments.

I hope I'm wrong as I live here, but I think we're living in a period comparable to the decline of the Roman Empire. Trump will be like Commodus, not as Commodus was misportrayed in Gladiator, but rather as he was in the histories of Cassius Dio. An unqualified celebrity who will withdraw from military conflicts without addressing foreign policy concerns and who will not have the necessary experience to properly administer the Empire, leaving the door open to parasites.

 

[blackg]

How about we all just take a deep breath and just see what Trump does in terms of foreign policy decisions.

All these catastrophic predictions are overstated as far as I'm concerned.
Trump still has to work within the checks and balances of the US political system.
Congress.

 

[hairblues]

You are being angry today. You did turtle after I wrote you a well-researched post that you didn't know how to respond to and acted al belligerent for a bit.

But it's all right, this is the internet and it's kind of been a stupid thread. We're both still stephanie seymour fans, you still have a very interesting job, you're experimenting in the hair loss section and you have a lot of life experience which you share, so I still like you. I'm not even mad

Im not angry at all David and i did not say anything that is belligerent.

I think you were the one who told me my response was lazy and anti intellectual when you wrongly assumed i did not read an article..which i did read.

You keep making assumptions about me and my life and to be honest that is kind of insulting to do to anyone who you dont know.

 

[nameless]

How about we all just take a deep breath and just see what Trump does in terms of foreign policy decisions.

All these catastrophic predictions are overstated as far as I'm concerned.
Trump still has to work within the checks and balances of the US political system.
Congress.

I agree. I think we should let some months go by. And you're right about those checks and balances. There are some anti-Putin GOP house and senate members who could join democrats to prevent Trump from giving too much away to Putin. I'm going to just watch things for a little while.

And if Trump turns out to be as bad as he seems to be then I'll move to Spain or Australia sometime in 2018 after completing Pilofocus, if it achieves quality donor regeneration.

 

[hairblues]

How about we all just take a deep breath and just see what Trump does in terms of foreign policy decisions.

All these catastrophic predictions are overstated as far as I'm concerned.
Trump still has to work within the checks and balances of the US political system.
Congress.

Well i think as soon as his popularity goes down they will find a way to impeach him.

I will take Pence with all his fucked up domestic policy over Trump any day.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

i am not in a bubble.

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I honestly do not know anyone who is in a bad place or worse place compared to 8 years ago.

In my opinion, if everybody you know is doing better than 8 years ago, you're in a bubble. Some 42% of Americans say they are doing less well than 8 years ago.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/188867/half-say-better-off-eight-years-ago.aspx

 

[hairblues]

In my opinion, if everybody you know is doing better than 8 years ago, you're in a bubble. Some 42% of Americans say they are doing less well than 8 years ago.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/188867/half-say-better-off-eight-years-ago.aspx

As for your post yes I agree Obama was often blocked by the GOP who are a very effective opposition party. However, it was part of his job as a politician to grow the democratic party, which he failed to do. The democratic party is weaker than it's ever been in the modern era, according to James Carville.

He also didn't do well with the powers he did have, for example he had the authority to not destroy Libya (a lot of people died, increased instability in North Africa, increased terrorism elsewhere), and to prosecute Wall Street for the GFC. He chose not to. It's not that the GOP blocked him -- he made no effort to do so.

Wow yet again you are obnoxious making assumptions about my life.

 

[nameless]

In my opinion, if everybody you know is doing better than 8 years ago, you're in a bubble. Some 42% of Americans say they are doing less well than 8 years ago.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/188867/half-say-better-off-eight-years-ago.aspx

As for your post yes I agree Obama was often blocked by the GOP who are a very effective opposition party. However, it was part of his job as a politician to grow the democratic party, which he failed to do. The democratic party is weaker than it's ever been in the modern era, according to James Carville.

He also didn't do well with the powers he did have, for example he had the authority to not destroy Libya (a lot of people died, increased instability in North Africa, increased terrorism elsewhere), and to prosecute Wall Street for the GFC. He chose not to. It's not that the GOP blocked him -- he made no effort to do so.

Hey David, Seriously isn't it possible that some of those 42% of people who say they're doing worse really aren't doing worse?

I know conservatives who think they're doing worse but they're just talking themselves into thinking that because they hate Obama. They hate Obama and Obama's the government so they hate the government. Their hatred of him seems to seep into their perceptions of how they themselves are doing.

Some of these people work with me at good-paying jobs at a major hospital, and they have gotten raises during the Obama years, and those raises were greater than the cost of living. But they hate Obama so they perceive themselves as living in misery.

I know a dozen retired people who go to church with a friend of mine. They get retirement and social security so their wages haven't stagnated since they get COL increases every year. They're Christians and they all vote republican. And every last one of them complains about Obama ruining the economy. These people all have lots of kids and I don't think any of their kids are doing poorly. I spend a little time with them and their families because they have something they call "Monday Breakfast" once a month and my friend drags me there sometimes.

I don't ask them what their problem is with Obama because I have to get along with them since my friend is their friend, but I know them and their family situations well enough to believe that they hate Obama's economy ONLY because they hate Obama and they hate democrats. They're conservative Christians. They just like to say bad things about Obama so they say Obama's economy sucks.

 

[rclark]

You've read my posts.

nameless is somewhat illiterate though so he is misunderstanding what I wrote. A lot of the current problems are due to Obama being a passive president, and are thus a missed opportunity of prevention. For example, his administration chose not to pursue criminal action against Wall Street. None of them have gone to jail, this will lead and likely has led to long-term structural problems.

On the economy, here's a good recent anecdotes. The vast majority of new jobs created during the Obama era were part-tme or contract jobs:
https://www.investing.com/news/econ...ing-obama-era-part-time,-contract-work-449057
https://www.rt.com/usa/371329-obama-freelance-contractors-job-growth/

Most jobs today are contract jobs. That's the US economy. The only thing I dislike about Clinton is NAFTA. That's it.

But Trump has already backed out of his promises. He's not penalizing companies for outsourcing US jobs.

He's already been vocal about that. Everybody knows this.

He hasn't started his first day in office, and he's already breaking promises.

 

[hairblues]

Hey David, Seriously isn't it possible that some of those 42% of people who say they're doing worse really aren't doing worse?

I know conservatives who think they're doing worse but they're just talking themselves into thinking that because they hate Obama. They hate Obama and Obama's the government so they hate the government. Their hatred of him seems to seep into their perceptions of how they themselves are doing.

Some of these people work with me at good-paying jobs at a major hospital, and they have gotten raises during the Obama years, and those raises were greater than the cost of living. But they hate Obama so they perceive themselves as living in misery.

I know a dozen retired people who go to church with a friend of mine. They get retirement and social security so their wages haven't stagnated since they get COL increases every year. They're Christians and they all vote republican. And every last one of them complains about Obama ruining the economy. These people all have lots of kids and they say their kids are doing well. I don't ask them what their problem is with Obama because I have to get along with them, but I know them and their families well enough to know that they hate Obama's economy ONLY because they hate Obama and they hate democrats. They just like to say bad things about Obama.

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This is true...my friend who lives in suburbs her house was in foreclosure when Obama took office from Mortgage crisis there was a policy Obama put into action to protect people facing foreclosure and she benefited from it..she is a life long Republican but i remember her joking with me singing his praises because she needed some relief and she got it...at that time she was out of work because place she worked let her go....8 years later? she opened a business sold it for a profit and opened a second business still lives in same home and she is sending her son to private school....who did she vote for Trump--oh and she is driving a BMW.

Please. thats some rough life.

 

[rclark]

Economy is doing incredibly well compared to 8 years ago when we were tanking.

is it perfect and is everyone in better place? no but from the nightmare we survived its pretty damn good for 8 years.

Im going by people i know and where they are now compared to 8 years ago.

I do not believe in my life time (perhaps in 70s but i was a child) I can ever think of a time when a President was so throughly disrespected and blocked at every angle by congress.

In spite of all that purposeful and unprecedented obsructionism--he was a damn fine President.

Obama didn't concentrate on one race/group of people. He treated everybody as equals.

Although I am straight, Obama really helped the LGBT community. He made marriage equal across
the board.

Considering the fact LGBT people are a minority, that's impressive that he did so much.

 

[hairblues]

Trump cannot penalize or reward anybody, yet. He hasn't been inaugurated yet! Lol.

Stay away from the lame stream media, it is not what it appears. Prepare for revival.

Most of my criticism of him come from his cabinet picks, his tax plan and his twitter feed...not main stream media.

 

[rclark]

Trump cannot penalize or reward anybody, yet. He hasn't been inaugurated yet! Lol.

Stay away from the lame stream media, it is not what it appears. Prepare for revival.

What I'm talking about is what Trump has said himself.

I'm not taking anything else into context. Lots of people voted for him because of US outsourcing/manufacturing.

It's a true fact. Other than repealing the NAFTA act (which I support), he is backing out of penalizing these
companies.

Instead, he is saying they will get "less of a tax break". In one word, that's bullshit. And this comes
out before he's even President.

That was a BIG reason people voted for him (not myself, because I find Trump to be a racist, which
I don't tolerate).

And he already said, in his own words, on his own account, he won't do that.

 

[hairblues]

That was a BIG reason people voted for him (not myself, because I find Trump to be a racist, which
I don't tolerate).
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Of course not after all Jesus was a middle easter brown man.

 

[nameless]

You are being angry today. You did turtle after I wrote you a well-researched post that you didn't know how to respond to and acted al belligerent for a bit.

But it's all right, this is the internet and it's kind of been a stupid thread. We're both still stephanie seymour fans, you still have a very interesting job, you're experimenting in the hair loss section and you have a lot of life experience which you share, so I still like you. I'm not even mad

This is very patronizing.

 

[hairblues]

This is very patronizing.

Yup.

Honestly re reading that i have more respect for Fred than David at this point..."You didn't know how to respond" lol.

I have responded all afternoon.

 

[nameless]

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This is true...my friend who lives in suburbs her house was in foreclosure when Obama took office from Mortgage crisis there was a policy Obama put into action to protect people facing foreclosure and she benefited from it..she is a life long Republican but i remember her joking with me singing his praises because she needed some relief and she got it...at that time she was out of work because place she worked let her go....8 years later? she opened a business sold it for a profit and opened a second business still lives in same home and she is sending her son to private school....who did she vote for Trump--oh and she is driving a BMW.

Please. thats some rough life.

I don't come across it all the time but I do come across it. A guy who was restoring a piece of furniture for me had so much business it took him 5 weeks to get to me and when we meet he found a way to slip in some insults of Obama's economy into our conversation. I was confused because he has business backed up so far and yet he's complaining about Obama's economy. Whatever.

 

[Dench57]

butthurt cos David destroyed you