Under 25 And Balding, What Cures Are You Looking Forward To?
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shookwun
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Realistic post on expectations.
No point waiting. Money can be earned, but lost time cannot.
Finasteride and hair transplants to restore your youth and buy time until a better solution comes
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Yeah I am pessimistic about new treatments as well. I want to be hopeful but we have heard the old "next 5 years" for 20 years now. So I am tackling my hair loss with the options available and not really banking on future treatments.
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I am just glad we have SOME treatments now. 100 years ago you would have only had a rug. There is still a lot you can try now, finasteride, dutasteride minoxidil, transplants, even that sketchy Chinese stuff if you want to try it. If something comes along I am all for it but I would advise people not to get their hopes up and use the available treatments to their maximum potential.
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Not basing my peace of mind on these things that are massively uncertain. I live in 2017, so I use finasteride and minoxidil, and as far as I'm concerned the only additional treatments that may be in my future are an FUE in the next few years and dutasteride if finasteride loses effectiveness
If these new treatments turn out to be legit, then great, I will utilize them when they become accessible to someone in my position, but I just can't allow myself to live on hopes and maybes while my follicles die off
If these new treatments turn out to be legit, then great, I will utilize them when they become accessible to someone in my position, but I just can't allow myself to live on hopes and maybes while my follicles die off
I've got my plan laid out.
I wanted to wait one year after starting the big 3 before getting a transplant. It's been 14 months, recently got my hair cut and I can already say that starting those meds is already one of the best decisions of my life, and I'm not saying it to be dramatic — I mean it.
Save for the hairline, my hair is back in the state it was before I noticed it was going and I could really see the diffuse after a shower. It really does feel like this huge weight has been lifted from my shoulders after spending a year of "I think it's getting better" some days and "OMG I think it's getting worse!" on others. Nope, it's definitely better.
I'd get the transplant now, but I want to give it a shot on a dermarolling because Follica is the only treatment that would provide the regrowth I'd need and is the only one with real potential to be out by the end of next year. If I were to get the transplant now, by the time it grows out, Follica could be out or nearly so and would no doubt be a cheaper, better option; and those thousands I'd have spent on the transplant would go to waste.
I know I'm a good responder to the meds, so now it's just a process of elimination to decide what method of restoring the hairline recession is the wisest choice.
I wanted to wait one year after starting the big 3 before getting a transplant. It's been 14 months, recently got my hair cut and I can already say that starting those meds is already one of the best decisions of my life, and I'm not saying it to be dramatic — I mean it.
Save for the hairline, my hair is back in the state it was before I noticed it was going and I could really see the diffuse after a shower. It really does feel like this huge weight has been lifted from my shoulders after spending a year of "I think it's getting better" some days and "OMG I think it's getting worse!" on others. Nope, it's definitely better.
I'd get the transplant now, but I want to give it a shot on a dermarolling because Follica is the only treatment that would provide the regrowth I'd need and is the only one with real potential to be out by the end of next year. If I were to get the transplant now, by the time it grows out, Follica could be out or nearly so and would no doubt be a cheaper, better option; and those thousands I'd have spent on the transplant would go to waste.
I know I'm a good responder to the meds, so now it's just a process of elimination to decide what method of restoring the hairline recession is the wisest choice.
hanginginthewire
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Congrats on your response to the Big 3.
I would say that your positive experience might color some of your commentary on upcoming treatments. I feel like some of your postings may castigate people who have not had the same luck with the existing treatments, and definitely does towards people who are skeptical of upcoming treatments. It's like "this worked for me and I foresee this or that upcoming treatment working for me, therefore anyone with a more pessimistic view is a hurr durr Neanderthal," etc. Occasionally you yourself seem to be skeptical of a given treatment but as you get more optimistic you expect everyone else to do the same. Just an observation. I don't think there are many people here who cling to their baldness for some obscure psychological purpose, as you've implied. Let's assume future going that people are simply requiring evidence as any savy consumer would and be more open-minded to questions and concerns that members have about future treatments.
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What about shiseido? They plan to release it in 2018
I disagree, I feel my posts castigate people who don't even try existing treatments.
I'm skeptical of the same technologies as ever, I think. I don't believe that topical compounds alone are going to be a cure for hairloss (JAK) because at present, there is nothing that demonstrates — in humans, anyway — that this is even possible when it comes to Androgenetic Alopecia.
I disagree entirely. A great example of this is in recent discussions regarding Follica.
People who by my understanding are significantly bald, but yet feel that the results of even something like the Dhurat study would somehow not be worth their time or is "disappointing." The impossible-to-find-a-citation-for claim of "only 25 hair per/cm". Okay well, we know it's a microneedling procedure and the results of professional microneedling studies have grown quite a bit of hair; such that the responders are not likely to be seen as "bald" by society at large.
If one is significantly balding, but would not take those kinds of results, then I'm afraid there is no other explanation than an aversion to actually doing something about the problem, because it's no coincidence that they're always the same people complaining over in Impact, daily. People use baldness as justification for every slight against them.
They won't even try finasteride or minoxidil, they won't get a transplant, certainly won't wear a piece and no matter what results are either shown or promised from upcoming tech, it's just never good enough. So what other explanation is there?
shookwun
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Is a wig a viable alternative to treatment and surgery?
hanginginthewire
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Utter dissatisfaction with the current treatments? Nothing is good enough until it's a viable solution to the problem. That's why I say you're positive results on the Big 3 and need for only minimal transplant or treatments is coloring your commentary. If you are diffusing in a NW6 pattern like me, transplant is not really an option. Rejecting a hair piece is not some kind of infantile tantrum, wearing a wig is literally committing a kind of social suicide. (No offense whatsoever to those who are brave enough.) Men are not socialized to wear hair pieces, end of. I do agree that people are sometimes too timid to try propecia, which is foolish. That said, lots of people are (apparently) non-responders, or do incur sides. But yeah, in general the current offerings are notoriously insufficient, and the upcoming treatments™ have long taken on the characteristics of a mirage in the desert, despite the imprimatur of whichever cult figure scientist hero du jour - Tsuji, Costeralis, Brotzu, etc. has promised to rescue us. With Follica, it seems there is frustration because the claims of Follica are so hard to pin down. As I mentioned in a Follica thread, 25cm2 is considered piss poor density for even a hair transplant. People are not going to be enthused about walking around w/a severely diffused rat's nest on their head. Perhaps Follica could be combined with a transplant though, we'll have to see. There may be a couple special nameless characters who will miss these forums and lack purpose without being able to b**ch about hair loss, but I think most of us are just surmising correctly that the current landscape is totally lacking in viable options. And I can't blame people for being suspicious about new treatments, when people are as vulnerable as most of us are, you've got to be suspicious, otherwise we'd have been utterly duped and manipulated, whether by the delusions of slyguy baldies, greedy transplant docs, or any number of snake oil salesmen. That's why I'm saying a NW2 super responder to the Big 3 should be more humble and respectful.
But anyway, I just think you could be more compassionate.
For guys who are high NWs and well past the option of finasteride and a transplant would never provide sufficient coverage, I don't see any other option.
It's hard for me to be compassionate when there are options available to you, but one chooses not to take them because they're "dissatisfied".
We're all dissatisfied with the conventional options even if they give good results. I don't want to eat brain-chemical inhibiting pills and spray my head with minoxidil every day, and I don't believe anyone finds the idea of undergoing FUT or FUE appealing, but it's done because it's what can be done.
I've had so many conversations that go exactly like this:
"I'll never touch finasteride! It's poison!"
"Okay, have you considered minoxidil?"
"I tried it and it didn't work / fear of side effects that don't even happen (aging)"
"How about a transplant?"
"Nope! The 1% of people who are norwood spotters might realize it's a transplant and muh social stigma!"
"Okay, well your last option is a hairpiece"
"No f*****g way".
Then, when something like Follica is faced with being a reality before too long, and by all current professional trials and super-successful DIY guys, there is no reason to believe that a worst-case scenario isn't something like a diffuse NW1-2. To that, we still saw people like "Ugh f*** no" Even though that amount of hair leaves people in a situation where their hairloss is hardly noticeable or outright cured and they still. aren't. happy. and usually this follows the rants about girls hating bald guys and stuff over in Impact.
I'm sorry, but if you actually care about doing something for your hairloss and getting on with your life, you'll grow some balls and settle with something at SOME point in the chain rather than turning your nose up at everything that has potential to improve your situation just because it doesn't fit your "ideal".
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at this point, with me headed for a nw7 in my 40s, i would be happy to just have SOME coverage on top and keep it buzzed. i love to get a full head of hair again, but what i dont want is this
digusting
i hope future tech can save me from this fate
shookwun
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You are as old as your hairline
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well i must be dead cos i dont have one anymore
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What's wrong with this guy?
Are you serious?
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No, he doesn't.
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