We killed Bin Laden! f*** your Jihad! Hoorah Seals!!!!!!!!!!

[powersam]

Re: We killed Bin Laden! f*ck your Jihad! Hoorah Seals!!!!!!!!!!

If you think shooting a 15yr old kid in the back for throwing rocks at your car is justified, then you are a monster.

 

[kadosh]

Re: We killed Bin Laden! f*ck your Jihad! Hoorah Seals!!!!!!!!!!

I remember that survey. i didn't take part of it but it was published in all the mainstream media and had quite an effect for days. i still need to find the original hebrew version because surveys can have different results when you ask the questions a bit different and i have the feeling that it was misquoted. I do agree however that extremist opinions on one side will result in extremist opinions on the other side and the whole thing just escalates as time goes by.

Nearly the entire Israeli society is endorsing a settlement project in the West Bank whose goal is rid the land of it's inhabitants so Jewish people, and only Jewish people can live there. As far as I'm aware Jewish populations aren't being chased out like that in the Muslim countries they live in.

really? 55 seats out of a 120 in the parliament belong to parties that declare on their agenda that they will not support the settlement project. and it's not like the other parties wish to clear all non Jews from every part of the west bank. just because some people don't believe that going back to the 1967 lines will solve everything and that we can reach an agreement that will satisfy both sides without doing so doesn't mean that people wish to clear all the west bank non Jewish inhabitants.
The Jewish people in Muslim countries never claimed that they own the land that they lived on even if they lived there for many generations. they didn't cooperate with enemies of the states they lived in and didn't undermined their regimes. they didn't protest even though they weren't an equal right citizen and were under restrictions as there status was non Muslim. in 1948 900,000 of the Jews who lived in several Muslim countries were forced to give up their citizenship and belongings and were deported.
That is not the situations with Arabs in Israel. not even close.

And I haven't even mentioned the laws on Israel's books which only apply to Arabs.

please do.


This is taking a lot of my time and energy. i'll have to continue this another day.

 

[Ori83]

Re: We killed Bin Laden! f*ck your Jihad! Hoorah Seals!!!!!!!!!!

Kadosh i wrote a few posts myself and deleted them, as you can clearly see, its pointless, some here arguing only for argument-sake.

 

[kadosh]

Re: We killed Bin Laden! f*ck your Jihad! Hoorah Seals!!!!!!!!!!

The Israeli army's chief rabbinate gave soldiers preparing to enter the Gaza Strip a booklet implying that all Palestinians are their mortal enemies and advising them that cruelty is sometimes a "good attribute".
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 16805.html

he would never been able to attain the position he enjoys without having support for his views amongst a fair number of people and it seems pretty obvious from the conduct of the Israel military in regards to deliberate targeting of civilians, racist graffiti, those infamous t-shirts etc that those views aren't exactly abnormal, at least in the military

The Israeli army does not deliberately target civilians. that doesn't mean that civilians weren't killed but the IDF conduct when it comes to fighting in an urban landscape is nothing like what NATO does in Libya for example or what Hamas does when he targets towns.
the chief rabbi influence inside the army is not as profound as some people would like you to believe. most of the soldiers are not even religious. he was more involved than the former rabbis and some people didn't like it. he wasn't the one who wrote it and he needed to clarify the matter to the chief of general staff. the booklet was not distributed to every soldier and it was by the end of the operation not the beginning. his opinions did not buy him this position. if anything it would harm his chances if he spoke his mind before he became chief rabbi.

 

[Viens]

Re: We killed Bin Laden! f*ck your Jihad! Hoorah Seals!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, I haven't had time to keep up with this thread. Just wanted to say try and watch this if you can http://www.channel4.com/programmes/disp ... /episode-1 very relevant to this discussion.

 

[virtuality]

Re: We killed Bin Laden! f*ck your Jihad! Hoorah Seals!!!!!!!!!!

I actually don't like this thread because I think we are no better than the extremist terrorists if we sing and chant at the death of someone we want to kill. It's not a sport, it's the death of a human.

100% agreed.

 

[Bryan]

Re: We killed Bin Laden! f*ck your Jihad! Hoorah Seals!!!!!!!!!!

I actually don't like this thread because I think we are no better than the extremist terrorists if we sing and chant at the death of someone we want to kill. It's not a sport, it's the death of a human.

100% agreed.

I can understand and appreciate that sentiment to a certain limited extent, but I can't get too upset at putting down a rabid dog.

 

[virtuality]

Re: We killed Bin Laden! f*ck your Jihad! Hoorah Seals!!!!!!!!!!

I actually don't like this thread because I think we are no better than the extremist terrorists if we sing and chant at the death of someone we want to kill. It's not a sport, it's the death of a human.

100% agreed.

I can understand and appreciate that sentiment to a certain limited extent, but I can't get too upset at putting down a rabid dog.

I served in NATO forces and my ID card had "THIS IS A GENEVA CONVENTION CARD" written on it. The rules and regulations stipulate that any soldier shoots to kill only and only if there is a clear and immediate danger to his/her life, which was not how the killing of OBL happened. It doesn't matter if I agree or disagree with the law, I was bound by the international law and if I ever came across someone like OBL, I couldn't shoot him if he was no immediate danger to me. It's the court of law that decides what to do with him. Eg, the Serbs were taken to The Hague.

I know the US is not a signatory of the Geneva Convention, which is a different subject on its own.

For me the biggest crime here was the violation of the UN decleration of human rights. I know those killed on 911 had rights as well, they had the right to live and be with their loved ones. But, the moment we start disregarding the basic principles of the human rights, who decides where we stop and what's allowed and whats not allowed? The human rights should apply to everyone, even to the criminals. For the criminals we have the court of law. No one, including the US, should be above the law.

TBH, I'm also happy OBL is gone. However, the end does not justify the means.

 

[Bryan]

Re: We killed Bin Laden! f*ck your Jihad! Hoorah Seals!!!!!!!!!!

{big snip}

TBH, I'm also happy OBL is gone. However, the end does not justify the means.

If you had access right now to a working time machine that could take you back more than 71 years, would you use it to go back and kill Adolf Hitler before the start of World War II? :dunno: I would, and I wouldn't lose even a moment's sleep over it.

 

[oni]

Re: We killed Bin Laden! f*ck your Jihad! Hoorah Seals!!!!!!!!!!

{big snip}

TBH, I'm also happy OBL is gone. However, the end does not justify the means.

If you had access right now to a working time machine that could take you back more than 71 years, would you use it to go back and kill Adolf Hitler before the start of World War II? :dunno: I would, and I wouldn't lose even a moment's sleep over it.

And maybe then, Stalin would have taken over the world.......................

[youtube:1rn5kvus]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb3IMTJjzfo[/youtube:1rn5kvus]

 

[Bryan]

Re: We killed Bin Laden! f*ck your Jihad! Hoorah Seals!!!!!!!!!!

And maybe then, Stalin would have taken over the world.......................

On the other hand, maybe he would only have taken over England, and not the whole world. Seems like a reasonable compromise.

 

[virtuality]

Re: We killed Bin Laden! f*ck your Jihad! Hoorah Seals!!!!!!!!!!

{big snip}

TBH, I'm also happy OBL is gone. However, the end does not justify the means.

If you had access right now to a working time machine that could take you back more than 71 years, would you use it to go back and kill Adolf Hitler before the start of World War II? :dunno: I would, and I wouldn't lose even a moment's sleep over it.

I don’t know where to start from… I have so many things to say about your post but I’m gonna go to bed soon.

Your hypothetical scenario of preventing a war is exactly why the League of Nations was set up, to prevent wars like WWI and WWII. Hence, the human rights.

Your idea of having a time machine and going back in time to kill ONE person to prevent a WW is probably a very American way of thinking, ie Hollywood style hero kills the villain to save the world. We live in societies, the public opinion forms over a period of time; once the conditions for war are present, ONE person would not make a difference. If Hitler had died from natural causes in 1940, someone would have replaced him and WWII still would have happened. If I had a time machine, I’d rather go back to early 1930s and do my best to prevent the Germans from embracing Nazi ideas.

In an ironic way, the West probably benefitted from the Nazi Germany. If it wasn’t for them, who knows what Stalin’s USSR might have done. Don’t forget that Stalin was at least as bad as Hitler.

 

[s.a.f]

Re: We killed Bin Laden! f*ck your Jihad! Hoorah Seals!!!!!!!!!!

I think I might just go back in time and distribute contraceptives.

 

[oni]

Re: We killed Bin Laden! f*ck your Jihad! Hoorah Seals!!!!!!!!!!

I think I might just go back in time and distribute contraceptives.

Houston.......................would be a good place to start.... :whistle:

 

[powersam]

Re: We killed Bin Laden! f*ck your Jihad! Hoorah Seals!!!!!!!!!!

There is a very real possibility that if Hitler had not been in charge, Germany would have won the war.

 

[hairrific]

Re: We killed Bin Laden! f*ck your Jihad! Hoorah Seals!!!!!!!!!!

No No THERE WOULD BE A VERY GOOD CHANCE OF NO WAR and many person would of live a full life. Hiltler is the one that got them into the war due to his crazy ideology.

Good grief why are there so many here with such back *** thinking. When a rat, feral cat, wild dog, goat, mosquito or pig, is purposely killed to save the natural habitat of Hawaii you are the ones that screams YOU MURDEROUS MONSTERS THEY HAVE RIGHTS TOO!

Sometimes there is no perfect solution and one has to choose the more evil of the 2.

Now there is a saying that will go right over some peoples stubborn heads.

 

[HughJass]

Re: We killed Bin Laden! f*ck your Jihad! Hoorah Seals!!!!!!!!!!

I do agree however that extremist opinions on one side will result in extremist opinions on the other side and the whole thing just escalates as time goes by.

well said

really? 55 seats out of a 120 in the parliament belong to parties that declare on their agenda that they will not support the settlement project.

I think that's just lip service for the most part. Meretz and the Arab parties no doubt are 100% against it but they are a minority of course. You could find a poll showing a majority of the Israeli public is against the settlements but unless they are willing to make it a real issue then it's just meaningless and as far as I can tell the settlements just aren't an issue in Israeli elections.

and it's not like the other parties wish to clear all non Jews from every part of the west bank. just because some people don't believe that going back to the 1967 lines will solve everything and that we can reach an agreement that will satisfy both sides without doing so doesn't mean that people wish to clear all the west bank non Jewish inhabitants.

but that is what is happening and unless a majority of voters and politicians are advocating for a stop to those activities then they're complicit.

You see the same kind of attitude in the UK, US and Australia- a majority are against the Afghan war but it really doesn't mean anything because nobody is willing to turn into an election issue therefore we're all still responsible.

The Jewish people in Muslim countries never claimed that they own the land that they lived on even if they lived there for many generations.

They claimed land that belonged to Arab Palestinians and proceeded to drive them off it with force, that's still going on the in the West Bank today.

I've already posted this I think,Israel also revoked the residency status of 140,000 Palestinians when they were travelling overseas.

in 1948 900,000 of the Jews who lived in several Muslim countries were forced to give up their citizenship and belongings and were deported.

That's disputed to a certain extent:

The assertion that Jewish emigrants from Arab countries should be considered refugees has received mixed reactions from various quarters.

Iraqi-born Ran Cohen, a former member of the Knesset, said: "I have this to say: I am not a refugee. I came at the behest of Zionism, due to the pull that this land exerts, and due to the idea of redemption. Nobody is going to define me as a refugee". Yemeni-born Yisrael Yeshayahu, former Knesset speaker, Labor Party, stated: "We are not refugees. [Some of us] came to this country before the state was born. We had messianic aspirations". And Iraqi-born Shlomo Hillel, also a former speaker of the Knesset, Labor Party, claimed: "I do not regard the departure of Jews from Arab lands as that of refugees. They came here because they wanted to, as Zionists."[112][dead link]

Historian Tom Segev stated: "Deciding to emigrate to Israel was often a very personal decision. It was based on the particular circumstances of the individual’s life. They were not all poor, or ‘dwellers in dark caves and smoking pits.’ Nor were they always subject to persecution, repression or discrimination in their native lands. They emigrated for a variety of reasons, depending on the country, the time, the community, and the person."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exo ... ting_views

And I haven't even mentioned the laws on Israel's books which only apply to Arabs.

please do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citiz ... cal_status
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_dis ... ontroversy
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/op ... 85794.html
http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/ ... -citizens/

Seem to be a fair few there. The law of return standing out as the most obvious.

The Israeli army does not deliberately target civilians

There's a wealth of information that suggests the opposite-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on ... nd_convoys
http://en.wikipedia.orghttp://en.wikipe ... ebanon_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targeting_ ... _by_Israel
http://www.flw.ugent.be/cie/Palestina/palestina264.htm
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semp ... round.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nat ... a_Conflict
http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/01/the-m ... ion-force/


Even the Israeli military doesn't deny it's used human shields-
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/102637 ... misconduct

 

[oni]

Re: We killed Bin Laden! f*ck your Jihad! Hoorah Seals!!!!!!!!!!

Some fruits of the raid...........



AP Sources: Bin Laden documents sharpen US aim

''WASHINGTON – The U.S. is tracking possible new terror targets and stepping up surveillance of operatives previously considered minor al-Qaida figures after digging through the mountain of correspondence seized from Osama bin Laden's hideout, officials say. The trove of material is filling in blanks on how al-Qaida operatives work, think and fit in the organization, they say.

The new information is the result of five weeks of round-the-clock work by a CIA-led team of data analysts, cyber experts and translators who are 95 percent finished decrypting and translating the years of material and expect to complete the effort by mid-June, two U.S. officials say.

Al-Qaida operatives worldwide are feeling the heat, with at least two of them altering their travel plans in recent weeks in apparent alarm that they might become the targets of another U.S. raid, one official said.

All officials spoke on condition of anonymity to describe the review of bin Laden files taken by U.S. Navy SEALs in a May 2 raid on his Abbottabad, Pakistan, hideout.

The items taken by the SEALs from bin Laden's second-floor office included a handwritten journal, five computers, 10 hard drives and 110 thumb drives.

[ For complete coverage of politics and policy, go to Yahoo! Politics ]


Copies of the material have been distributed to agencies from the FBI to the Defense Intelligence Agency to continue long-term analysis, one official said. The material is now classified, greatly limiting the number of people who can see it and making any detailed public accounting of the contents a crime.

FBI Director Robert Mueller told Congress on Wednesday that one of the early assessments from the trove is that al-Qaida remains committed to attacking the United States.

"We continue to exploit the materials seized from bin Laden's compound" and "we are focused on the new information about the homeland threat gained from this operation," Mueller told the Senate Judiciary Committee, which is considering legislation that would extend Mueller's job for up to two more years.

There is nothing in the bin Laden files so far to indicate an imminent attack, three officials said. The U.S. has increased its vigilance regarding some of the targets bin Laden suggests to his operatives, from smaller U.S. cities to mass transport systems, to U.S. embassies abroad and even oil tankers in the Persian Gulf.

A law enforcement official briefed on the process said investigators have been analyzing raw digital data found on multiple hard drives and flash drives, and that ''some of it consists of sequences of numbers. Investigators were trying to discern potential bank account or phone numbers that might point to al-Qaida contacts in the United States or elsewhere, or codes that could produce other leads, said the official, who was not authorized to publicly discuss the analysis and spoke on condition of anonymity.

Especially useful in the communications between bin Laden and his followers from Asia to Europe to Africa is the light they shed on the personalities of known al-Qaida operatives and what drives the various terrorist commanders who corresponded with bin Laden, officials said.

Like an email chain showing office politics, with various members of the hierarchy weighing in and sometimes back-stabbing each other, the communications show different officials vying for the boss' attention and working the system, the officials said.

Some proposed daring raids aimed at causing mass casualties, like the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, while others proposed smaller targets to circumvent increased security measures worldwide.

While bin Laden continued to laud the merits of large-scale attacks, the records show he also embraced the shift to smaller operations carried out by Yemen's al-Qaida of the Arabian Peninsula as a way to retain the broader organization's image as a viable terrorist group able to strike U.S. targets, officials said.

It's not clear that any of the affiliates who were proposing some of the larger-scale attacks had the ability to carry them out, one of the officials said. After the initial proposal of an idea, there were no follow-up proposals in the trove describing specific resources available to go after a suggested large-scale target.

And while the al-Qaida chief advised his operatives on targets to strike, and helped them devise ways to hit those targets, there is no evidence in the files that any of the ideas bin Laden proposed led to a specific action that was later carried out, the officials say. For instance, though bin Laden advised Europe-based militants to attack in unspecified continental European countries just before Christmas, the threat never resulted in an actual attempted attack, the officials said.

There have been small-scale violent incidents in Denmark, where bin Laden had repeatedly encouraged followers to attack because of disparaging references to the Muslim prophet Mohammed in Danish media, the officials said. But he did not seem to be involved in planning those specific incidents, the officials said.

As for bin Laden's suggestion to hit oil tankers, there is an indication of intent, with operatives seeking the size and construction of tankers, and concluding it's best to blow them up from the inside because of the strength of their hulls. In a confidential warning obtained by The Associated Press, the FBI and the Homeland Security Department said that al-Qaida operatives also recommended test runs, but there's no evidence the plot went any further, the officials say.

The U.S. has briefed allies such as Britain, Germany and other countries in Europe on the contents of the trove relevant to their nations or their portions of the counterterror fight, officials said.

They have also shared some of the information with Pakistan, as part of an effort to renew cooperation with Islamabad, in the wake of the raid, U.S. and Pakistani officials said. The U.S. hid the operation from Pakistan for fear that the raid plans would leak to militants, but the unilateral action brought protests from Pakistani leaders over what they called an affront to their sovereignty.

High-level U.S. visits have aimed to take the edge off that dispute, including a visit by CIA Deputy Director Mike Morell, who met with intelligence chief Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha last month.

After that outreach, Pakistan allowed the CIA to re-examine the bin Laden compound. Pakistan also returned the tail section of a U.S. stealth Black Hawk helicopter that broke off when the SEALs blew up the aircraft to destroy its secret noise- and radar-deadening technology.

The investigative team, made up mainly of intelligence officers from both nations, will compare the CIA's analysis of computer and written files with Pakistani intelligence gleaned from interrogations of those who frequented or lived near the bin Laden compound, the officials said.

Pakistan's intelligence service has been interviewing those who spent time at the compound, from a guard who used to do the compound's grocery shopping, to an extremist sheik who came in weekly to teach the 18 children that Navy SEALs counted at the compound the night of the raid.

Pakistani officials described the emerging picture of life inside the compound. One official described it as bleak, almost prison-like in its austerity.

Some of the roughly two dozen surviving residents told Pakistani intelligence they subsisted on a weekly delivery of one goat, which they slaughtered inside the compound, plus milk from a couple of cows kept in the courtyard. There were also eggs from chickens that roamed the courtyard, and vegetables from a small kitchen garden.

Bin Laden's upper apartments were bare of paint or adornment on the walls. There were only two beds, a double and a single, both of poor quality, one Pakistani official said. Officials haven't determined the sleeping arrangements for bin Laden and his three wives among the beds, he added.

Bin Laden's rooms did have the only air conditioner in the compound, in a region where summer temperatures can top 100 degrees Fahrenheit. There were no heaters, despite winters where temperatures can drop to freezing. That could explain the blanket bin Laden clutches around him in one of the videos taken from his office.

___

Associated press writers Pete Yost in Washington and Tom Hays in New York contributed to this report.

Source- http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110608/ap_ ... aden_trove

Blah blah blah, make some crap up to scare people, blah blah blah keep up crappy foreign policy, blah blah blah disaster capitalism, blah blah blah collateral damage, blah blah blah invest in more drone tech, blah blah blah,
police state, blah blah blah finfighter is a troll, blah blah blah copy and paste is finfighter's friend, blah blah blah 1984.................................................make money. :whistle:

 

[HughJass]

Re: We killed Bin Laden! f*ck your Jihad! Hoorah Seals!!!!!!!!!!

Some fruits of the raid...........

AP Sources: Bin Laden documents sharpen US aim

''WASHINGTON – The U.S. is tracking possible new terror targets and stepping up surveillance of operatives previously considered minor al-Qaida figures after digging through the mountain of correspondence seized from Osama bin Laden's hideout, officials say. The trove of material is filling in blanks on how al-Qaida operatives work, think and fit in the organization, they say.

The new information is the result of five weeks of round-the-clock work by a CIA-led team of data analysts, cyber experts and translators who are 95 percent finished decrypting and translating the years of material and expect to complete the effort by mid-June, two U.S. officials say.

Al-Qaida operatives worldwide are feeling the heat, with at least two of them altering their travel plans in recent weeks in apparent alarm that they might become the targets of another U.S. raid, one official said.

All officials spoke on condition of anonymity to describe the review of bin Laden files taken by U.S. Navy SEALs in a May 2 raid on his Abbottabad, Pakistan, hideout.

The items taken by the SEALs from bin Laden's second-floor office included a handwritten journal, five computers, 10 hard drives and 110 thumb drives.

[ For complete coverage of politics and policy, go to Yahoo! Politics ]

There is nothing in the bin Laden files so far to indicate an imminent attack, three officials said. The U.S. has increased its vigilance regarding some of the targets bin Laden suggests to his operatives, from smaller U.S. cities to mass transport systems, to U.S. embassies abroad and even oil tankers in the Persian Gulf.

A law enforcement official briefed on the process said investigators have been analyzing raw digital data found on multiple hard drives and flash drives, and that ''some of it consists of sequences of numbers. Investigators were trying to discern potential bank account or phone numbers that might point to al-Qaida contacts in the United States or elsewhere, or codes that could produce other leads, said the official, who was not authorized to publicly discuss the analysis and spoke on condition of anonymity.

Especially useful in the communications between bin Laden and his followers from Asia to Europe to Africa is the light they shed on the personalities of known al-Qaida operatives and what drives the various terrorist commanders who corresponded with bin Laden, officials said.

Like an email chain showing office politics, with various members of the hierarchy weighing in and sometimes back-stabbing each other, the communications show different officials vying for the boss' attention and working the system, the officials said.

Some proposed daring raids aimed at causing mass casualties, like the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, while others proposed smaller targets to circumvent increased security measures worldwide.

While bin Laden continued to laud the merits of large-scale attacks, the records show he also embraced the shift to smaller operations carried out by Yemen's al-Qaida of the Arabian Peninsula as a way to retain the broader organization's image as a viable terrorist group able to strike U.S. targets, officials said.

It's not clear that any of the affiliates who were proposing some of the larger-scale attacks had the ability to carry them out, one of the officials said. After the initial proposal of an idea, there were no follow-up proposals in the trove describing specific resources available to go after a suggested large-scale target.

And while the al-Qaida chief advised his operatives on targets to strike, and helped them devise ways to hit those targets, there is no evidence in the files that any of the ideas bin Laden proposed led to a specific action that was later carried out, the officials say. For instance, though bin Laden advised Europe-based militants to attack in unspecified continental European countries just before Christmas, the threat never resulted in an actual attempted attack, the officials said.

There have been small-scale violent incidents in Denmark, where bin Laden had repeatedly encouraged followers to attack because of disparaging references to the Muslim prophet Mohammed in Danish media, the officials said. But he did not seem to be involved in planning those specific incidents, the officials said.

As for bin Laden's suggestion to hit oil tankers, there is an indication of intent, with operatives seeking the size and construction of tankers, and concluding it's best to blow them up from the inside because of the strength of their hulls. In a confidential warning obtained by The Associated Press, the FBI and the Homeland Security Department said that al-Qaida operatives also recommended test runs, but there's no evidence the plot went any further, the officials say.

The U.S. has briefed allies such as Britain, Germany and other countries in Europe on the contents of the trove relevant to their nations or their portions of the counterterror fight, officials said.

They have also shared some of the information with Pakistan, as part of an effort to renew cooperation with Islamabad, in the wake of the raid, U.S. and Pakistani officials said. The U.S. hid the operation from Pakistan for fear that the raid plans would leak to militants, but the unilateral action brought protests from Pakistani leaders over what they called an affront to their sovereignty.

High-level U.S. visits have aimed to take the edge off that dispute, including a visit by CIA Deputy Director Mike Morell, who met with intelligence chief Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha last month.

After that outreach, Pakistan allowed the CIA to re-examine the bin Laden compound. Pakistan also returned the tail section of a U.S. stealth Black Hawk helicopter that broke off when the SEALs blew up the aircraft to destroy its secret noise- and radar-deadening technology.

The investigative team, made up mainly of intelligence officers from both nations, will compare the CIA's analysis of computer and written files with Pakistani intelligence gleaned from interrogations of those who frequented or lived near the bin Laden compound, the officials said.

Pakistan's intelligence service has been interviewing those who spent time at the compound, from a guard who used to do the compound's grocery shopping, to an extremist sheik who came in weekly to teach the 18 children that Navy SEALs counted at the compound the night of the raid.

Pakistani officials described the emerging picture of life inside the compound. One official described it as bleak, almost prison-like in its austerity.

Some of the roughly two dozen surviving residents told Pakistani intelligence they subsisted on a weekly delivery of one goat, which they slaughtered inside the compound, plus milk from a couple of cows kept in the courtyard. There were also eggs from chickens that roamed the courtyard, and vegetables from a small kitchen garden.

Bin Laden's upper apartments were bare of paint or adornment on the walls. There were only two beds, a double and a single, both of poor quality, one Pakistani official said. Officials haven't determined the sleeping arrangements for bin Laden and his three wives among the beds, he added.

Bin Laden's rooms did have the only air conditioner in the compound, in a region where summer temperatures can top 100 degrees Fahrenheit. There were no heaters, despite winters where temperatures can drop to freezing. That could explain the blanket bin Laden clutches around him in one of the videos taken from his office.

___

Associated press writers Pete Yost in Washington and Tom Hays in New York contributed to this report.

Source- http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110608/ap_ ... aden_trove

I just love mainstream 'journalism' :whistle:

 

[HughJass]

Re: We killed Bin Laden! f*ck your Jihad! Hoorah Seals!!!!!!!!!!

The spread of global Shariah Law is the goal of Islam!

Think about it............

Then why is it this supposed goal ranks well below other goals in Al-Qaeda's manifest, FinFighter?

Why is it whenever we see a video from some suicide bomber it always starts with "we're doing this because you're troops occupy our lands", as the latest Al-Zarwari video does.


They aren't as interested in converting us to Islam as they are in getting us to remove our troops from Muslim countries and for us to drop our support of Arab police states.


Below is a pretty good piece from the former head of the Bin Laden section at the CIA. It basically says what we all know deep down- that killing the leaders of AQ is only good for sensational journalism, the politicians who capitalize on it and the borderline simpletons who think it's a credible measure of success in defeating AQ as an organization:

–While the West must clearly continue to kill and capture as many al-Qaeda leaders in as many places as possible, this alone will not stop the steady growth in al-Qaeda’s size and thus in its ability to replace leaders. Likewise, the martyrdom of bin Laden and other senior leaders is likely to inspire numbers of young men to join the cause.

–Until the West’s political leadership accepts the clear reality that young Muslims are inspired to join al-Qaeda and its Islamist allies not only because of the words and deeds of the groups and their leaders, but because of what Western governments do in the Muslim world, U.S. military and intelligence services will find that their efforts to kill or capture al-Qaeda leaders and other Islamist chiefs will do little to slow the growth of the international militant Islamist movement in the coming generation, and with it the threat to U.S. interests at home and abroad.

Always ready for death: Leadership succession in al-Qaeda