Yeah hairloss kills your chances

[imlosinit]

I think I'd much rather be single than just be a meal ticket for some desperate woman with no sense of independance or integrity.

I hope you're not naive enough to believe that every woman in the "first world" marries for love. And I hope you dont believe that every woman from another country is desperate and marries only for money.

The fact is, in the marketplace of relationships, people have all sorts of reasons for selecting their partners.

 

[HairPieceMan]

this is true and men and women are calibrated differnetly, that is why money has little affect on me when i see a women but the other way around money means a lot to women and if you have money (and she knows) that is going to help A LOT.

this is the way things work, we can't change the way we feel about each other, an average looking guy becomes SUPER HOT if she knows you have money, an avegare looking girl DOES NOT become SUPER HOT if she has money.

this is the dating world.

money helps for guys
means little if a girl has money
wieght destroys women
weight oesnt make that much of a difference on guys
baldness -mostly- fucks over young caucasians
beign 5' 2" short is bad for a guy
being 6' 0" tall is bad for a girl
etc.

 

[Ori83]

money helps for guys
means little if a girl has money
wieght destroys women
weight oesnt make that much of a difference on guys
baldness -mostly- fucks over young caucasians
beign 5' 2" short is bad for a guy
being 6' 0" tall is bad for a girl
etc.

Yes, this is very true, i have a 27yo friend, he is tall and nw1, he just came back from a week in brlin, and he been some hot local girl ages from 18-19, they didnt know he was poor as f***, but the money part is easy to disguise.... specially in other countries when you just visiting ... bastard! lol

 

[HairPieceMan]

yes and even when your friend is 37 and tall NW1 (many are) the results wouldnt be much different.

vs the 5' 5" NW5 24 yr old.

his chances are nil 4 ever!

he basically jsut needs hair and shoe lifts or something.

that is why i hate it when people tell me just wait until your 30 you will feel normal being bald.

that's not true im a freak now and ill be a freak always, it's too much sh*t, too fast, and too young IMO

 

[HairPieceMan]

also guys in late 30s with perfect hair can pass for early 30s

i will myself in late 20s with wig on will pass for early 20s (will be 27 but can say 23).

that is - at least one- power of hair, its important.

 

[Oknow]

also guys in late 30s with perfect hair can pass for early 30s

i will myself in late 20s with wig on will pass for early 20s (will be 27 but can say 23).

that is - at least one- power of hair, its important.

So, do you have a girlfriend. You have a hairpiece on, and judging from your signature corrected a lot of other things.

 

[s.a.f]

I have a 32 year old friend average looking guy. He's is an accomplished doctor and univ prof here with aggressive hair loss. He's from a culture where the parents do the matchmaking and "on paper" he's a great catch.

He's pursuing girls between 20-27 and he's probably "talked to" about 300 girls. He's a picky guy so these girls are all above average looking (i.e. his parents are looking for hot girls). Anyway, he's been nixed by all the girls he's liked out of this group (approx 40 or so).

I would have thought some of these women might have taken the plunge just for the financial security and giant home. Not to mention, he's a very nice guy who would treat his spouse right. But no one bit.

He is now focussing his efforts overseas to countries where women still have "financial security" high on their priority list. So, in this case, the hairloss killed him.

I think I'd much rather be single than just be a meal ticket for some desperate woman with no sense of independance or integrity.

I would have to disagree with this. For instance women in Russian look for men oversees because there are more women than men due to the aftermarth of ww2. And very successful marriages blossem.
Thai brides true lack financial stability in their country so if you mean by independence these women should suffer for the rest of their lives or marry someone who will love them, give them stability, and in turn they will worship their husband then why the hell not. Being single sucks. Sorry.

I have to dispute this the rise in 'mail order' brides has only happend recently with the onset of websites ect that allows men to find and contact these women. So its too soon to say wether or not they are successful. There have certainly been many stories in the press about situations where its gone badly wrong.
Are these women simply swapping financial destitution for personal and emotional destitution?
How can you respect a woman or have self respect for yourself knowing that she's only interested in your money and without it would'nt look twice at you?

To say womens priorites are totally different to mens is also false if thats the case why are we here bothered about our hairloss, why are we not just concentrating on making money?

And if men and women are not the same how do you explain the many cases of middle aged women going on forign holidays and falling victim to local toyboys from poorer countries. We hear these stories all the time of women in their 50's marrying waiters in their 20's and then bringing them here and it all going wrong and they end up losing their life savings ect.

 

[Oknow]

I have to dispute this the rise in 'mail order' brides has only happend recently with the onset of websites ect that allows men to find and contact these women. So its too soon to say wether or not they are successful. There have certainly been many stories in the press about situations where its gone badly wrong.
Are these women simply swapping financial destitution for personal and emotional destitution?
How can you respect a woman or have self respect for yourself knowing that she's only interested in your money and without it would'nt look twice at you?

To say womens priorites are totally different to mens is also false if thats the case why are we here bothered about our hairloss, why are we not just concentrating on making money?

And if men and women are not the same how do you explain the many cases of middle aged women going on forign holidays and falling victim to local toyboys from poorer countries. We hear these stories all the time of women in their 50's marrying waiters in their 20's and then bringing them here and it all going wrong and they end up losing their life savings ect.

Yeha, and what's the difference between her marrying you because of the way you look? i.e. having a good set of hair etc. Looks are like money, a form of value, just in a different form.

 

[s.a.f]

Because thats what sexual attraction is based on, thats something that matters in the bedroom.

 

[HairPieceMan]

yeah but this is how the world works.

i mean look at bruce willis a 50 year old bald man dating a playboy playmate in early 20s, this is becuase of his social status.

if he was bruce willis the bartender she wouldnt give him the time of day, "jsut some old bald guy who cares".

nothing in dating is truly real, it's based on random things that just happen, let's say you are 5 6 and you could approach a girl in a club and she ignores you, BUT if she knew you had moeny her opinion would change, but she can't see your money at that time so it's her loss (or she doesnt see your extra "hiden" value)

to me their are hidden values a man has, money, confidence (which helps), an other personality traits.

women are differnet their value is their looks, and they know it, they are not stupid, they see better lookginan thinner girls gettig mroe attention, this is they way the world works, "would men love me if i was thin" the answer is YES!

also women value a free lifestyle over an attractive partner almost always, they see it as your basically paying for her, becuase she gets a free life, if your rich she almost wont even have to work a day in her life, that is far more valuable to her than say a more pretty bf.

but it doesnt work the other way around, im not attracted to susan boyle becuase she is rich/famous, it doesn't flip any attraction switches, but since patrick stewart became famous all of a sudden young/hot girls are "into" him.

the very same "type" of high value young/hot girls that would NOT have given patriack stewart the time of dayy when he had a horshoe ring in his early 20s.

now that he has social status those girls are all over him.

that is becuase this is the real worl and men have value far over their looks.

is that legit? is it right? is it "love"?

at the end of the day this is reality, and you can see this in everyday mating in famous people and regular people.

also on my dating front i have not sorted out my hairpieces for dating in bars /clubs, im still testing the medical grade adhesive ultra hold on my hairpiece, its going to take some work i dont think i will be ready until january.

its very depressing i have to wear a toupey at 25 becuase im TOTALLY bald at 23, if i was 18 and i thought what my life would be liek in 5 year time i woulnd't picture myself as a NW5, VERY pre-mature male pattern baldness has literally destroyed my life making me become a recluse and ignore women as soon as i hit 20.

this is not fair, i see 20-30 year old men all the time witha full head of hair, they don't realise how perfect their life is.

im not bitter though, im gogin to keep on going and not give up the persuit of having hair that works for dating girls even if it required more testing time on the hairpieces, there is no way im gogin to meet girls at 25 looking 35 and lookgin HORRIBLE bald, with the hair piece at 25 i can pass for 20 or 25 and i look NORMAL.

i don't wear hair for vanity, i wear hair so i look normal, so i look like a normal person (say a 6/10), not some alien that crash landed here from panet mars that looks 3/10

if i was an attractive girl (6+) i wouldn literally laugh in my face the way i look bald, im basically totally fucked bald.

 

[Oknow]

Because thats what sexual attraction is based on, thats something that matters in the bedroom.

So, what happens when your looks fade with age?..divorce?

You make it sound like everyone retains their youthful looks. When this is not the case. A lot of people age and dont look as good in their 40s then when they were in their 20s. Same goes with women too.

Which is why, attraction is much more complicated then "how you look", otherwise you will not have any monogamous marriages due to partners wanting to be with someone who is more youthful. Yet, this isnt the case.

 

[Oknow]

this is not fair, i see 20-30 year old men all the time witha full head of hair, they don't realise how perfect their life is.

im not bitter though, im gogin to keep on going and not give up the persuit of having hair that works for dating girls even if it required more testing time on the hairpieces, there is no way im gogin to meet girls at 25 looking 35 and lookgin HORRIBLE bald, with the hair piece at 25 i can pass for 20 or 25 and i look NORMAL.

i don't wear hair for vanity, i wear hair so i look normal, so i look like a normal person (say a 6/10), not some alien that crash landed here from panet mars that looks 3/10

if i was an attractive girl (6+) i wouldn literally laugh in my face the way i look bald, im basically totally f***ed bald.

If it makes you feel any better, my jawline is completely fucked irrespective on being a NW1-2.

Has it made the dating game harder, yes, much harder. Impossible - no. All it has meant, I am not a "looker", and I have to work hard in other ways. Career etc, with it also being a numbers game. Every 10 girls, I normally get attention by 3-4.

The trouble is, A LOT of guys get so fixated on their looks, that they forget to work on other areas of their lives, like their careers.

A bald NW5 who is a high flyer in his career, is much more attractive then a bald NW5 who is penniless. You seem to forget Bruce Willis, just didn't become Bruce Willis, the guy had to work hard to become rich and famous. Wasn't given to him on a plate.

Do you have a girlfriend now since wearing the hairpiece?

 

[HairPieceMan]

it depends how the bald NW5 looks like (does he look like ***, or does he look liek statham), and also depends on what type of girls he is going for (unnatractive -6 or attractive 6+)

at the end of the day im not really interested in unnatractive girls (call me vain i dont care), yet i look VERY unnatractive with no hair, i need hair to look attractive.

i am caucasian, this makes sense that i looks sh*t bald.

bruce willis's baldness does not apply to the common man, impretty sure he wore wigs in his 30s, anyway his siuation does not apply , he can get attractive girls without having to "do" anything becuase of his social status.

honestly how bad I look bald will mean i will literally get ignored by almost any remotely attractive woman.

i do not have a gf and i am NOT willing to accept an unnatractive GF into my life, i am still working on my hairpieces, i need more time testing, possibly a few months to get my hairpieces working.

i did go online dating with a picture of myself with the hairpiece and managed to talk to some girls, but that was it, jsut talking, but they defo woudlnt talk to me if i showed my tru self (bald), so that is at least something

what you have to keep in mind is that the hairpieces are really hard to figure out, i wear full cap which is unique becuase im balding in the horshoe, typically only cancer paitents wear full cap, so the differnce is hard to work out becuase i need to focus on the sides and make sure a girl can touch the sides in the bar and club arena.

as i said before i WANT attractive girls, i CANT get them bald, i NEED hair to look normal/attractive.

call me vain for not wanting to date girls bald and have to go for unnatractive girls (liek many of my friends have done, even if they have NW1 hairlines!), but this is my passion and i DON'T want to give up on this dream of looking normal with hair and dating attractive girls.

i need more time, its ok though, i'll get their eventually, just need more time.

thanks for taking interest though, yor support is helpful.

 

[CaptainForehead]

Because thats what sexual attraction is based on, thats something that matters in the bedroom.

Men and women process sexual attraction differently. For guys, its mostly the genes of the girl, ie, whether they are beautiful or not. For women, its not just genes, but the resources the guy can provide. Money DOES increase sexual attraction for them. Its not just a case of higher level concious reasoning.

If you watched this week big bang theory, the girl has a line where she says "he is cuter now that I know he is rich"

 

[HairPieceMan]

how would we define rich now anyway?

does the guy need to live in a big house to be rich?

like a $300K home or something?

i meanyou shound't need to be elton john type rich to be classed as having money to the opposite sex.

 

[CaptainForehead]

how would we define rich now anyway?

does the guy need to live in a big house to be rich?

like a $300K home or something?

i meanyou shound't need to be elton john type rich to be classed as having money to the opposite sex.

Rich would be relative to the girls net worth, and upbringing, and area.

Eg, in California, a $300k home would be below the average home price (what is the avg, 600k?).

 

[hairlosshippie]

Maybe I wen't a little overboard with a "starving children" comparison. Whoever said they're concerned about "reality"...well...so is the lives of many in developing countries. Go live in one for a while and you might gain a new perspective.

I also didn't mean to come across with an attitude that nobody should worry or complain, as that absolutely wasn't my intention. I also wouldn't be on here if that were the case. This is an excellent place to vent frustrations, thoughts, concerns, etc. I didn't intend to demean anyone's problem or concern.

I do, however, want to help people gain a positive outlook which I sure as hell hope, if not all, would prefer over the self defeatist misery throughout this thread. It seems those with a lighter outlook, like myself, can quickly be written off with a number of excuses or "he has it better because.." responses. It seems that no matter what some post, others don't want to gain any glimmer of hope and would prefer to assume the absolute worst.

If you wan't to assume my story of me getting women as of late is because my hair must not be that bad, that's fine. I'll send anyone a picture who desires to show you otherwise.

How does one explain Neill Strauss? Well, you can't, because I'm not sure it fits anyone's logic in this thread. He in itself should be proof that most of the theories floating around in here are unfounded.

I posted http://www.slybaldguys.com forum to show the new lease on life bald men can have. Yes, we're talking about younger NW4/5's as well. Read their stories, see the women they date, and be impressed. It will counter theories in this thread.

http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts7055769.aspx <---here's an 8 page thread of multiple women saying bald guys are sexy, confidence is more important, etc.

http://www.datehookup.com/Thread-587138.htm another

http://www.helium.com/items/1512608-how ... g-bald-men a response to balding men written by a WOMAN. A myriad of other positive responses lie below hers


http://www.helium.com/items/1528760-ladies-prefer-bald

I could post these for days. Sure, there are a few women in all of these that say no, but we know that comes with everything in life. Again, my intention is to encourage and provide hopefulness. I'm not here to patronize anyone. We're all in this together.

 

[s.a.f]

Because thats what sexual attraction is based on, thats something that matters in the bedroom.

So, what happens when your looks fade with age?..divorce?

You make it sound like everyone retains their youthful looks. When this is not the case. A lot of people age and dont look as good in their 40s then when they were in their 20s. Same goes with women too.

Which is why, attraction is much more complicated then "how you look", otherwise you will not have any monogamous marriages due to partners wanting to be with someone who is more youthful. Yet, this isnt the case.

Umm is'nt it obvious?
The looks fade for both partners as they age. So you dont get the case of 1 partner losing their looks whilst the other stays the same. But in general terms somebody who is a hot 20 yr old and in the top 10% of their age groups will be a hot 40 yr old obviously not the same as 20 yrs before but most 40 yr olds are no longer looking for 20 yr old partners.
And initial attraction is something different to the situation of 2 people being together for years. They have kids they have invested in each others lives. So the importance of looks between the two of them fades over time.

 

[s.a.f]

Because thats what sexual attraction is based on, thats something that matters in the bedroom.

Men and women process sexual attraction differently. For guys, its mostly the genes of the girl, ie, whether they are beautiful or not. For women, its not just genes, but the resources the guy can provide. Money DOES increase sexual attraction for them. Its not just a case of higher level concious reasoning.

If you watched this week big bang theory, the girl has a line where she says "he is cuter now that I know he is rich"

how would we define rich now anyway?

does the guy need to live in a big house to be rich?

like a $300K home or something?

i meanyou shound't need to be elton john type rich to be classed as having money to the opposite sex.

Thats the whole point how many millionaires is the average woman likely to come across?
If you're talking regular guys a ugly guy on $60k a year is still going to lose out to a goodlooking guy on on $30k a year.

And the theory that all girls would find a man attractive just because he's rich is ridiculous.
Both of my sisters went for men who earned less than them and where I work the wage is below average and with most of the guys there who have partners that work full time their wives G/F's usually earn more than they do.

 

[HairPieceMan]

that artical cites that they prefer a man to get rid of all his hair to adopt a fully bald look than a "i am balding and here is my combover" or somethign to that affect.

fact is that people look different fully bald, we don't all look the same.

also no man is concrned about unnatracti girls, baldingn men feel weak and lack confidence with girls 6 and over, becuase they lack the sexual power of hair that 95% of their peers have.

for some peple it makes little difference, for others its like a train wreck to your face.

we can't all be neil struass, what if we have other phyiscal problems, really sparse eyebrows, worse face than him, even shorter (iam an inch shorter), what happens when i reach 40 and I look 10xworse with no hair? neil strauss hasn't aged in the face in his late 30s, butwhat happens when i reach my late 30s, what if things turn to more sh*t then? how can i keep an even remotely atractive gf at any age? what if we have other big problems to.

there are many people that have said on dating forums that when i went bald the female attenion went from 100% down to 5%, that is the difference it made, even with a tan and my head is like an orange instead of a cueball etc.

first thing girls look at is your eyes,mouth? lol no its the HAIRLINE.

on neil strauss - well it's nice to know he has done very well but there are still some annoying situations where you will put down socially for being bald and if your looking to do online dating baldness is out of the question.

and while its nice to overcome a physical problem is personality, you still feel pretty bad being a guy that doesnt have that initial sex appeal that you had with hair, i mena not one caucasian guy has sex appeal with no hair, all male models and classed "good looking" guys have full mames, in top 100 sexiest guys, its very depressing ot never have that "appeal" that 96% of young adults have, so it's just frustrating to not be "sexy" as a man.