Do you want to have kids?

[CaptainForehead]

Some of you might find this to be of interest:
https://www.quora.com/I-dont-want-t...ctive-and-healthy-than-his-side-What-can-I-do

 

[marco75]

In my opinion the baldness is mainly from the mother's side, so if I decide to have kids I'll try to make sure it's with someone with THICK hair, and check the father and mother for hairloss.

I have two daughters and won't have anymore kids so they are ok. My father is 70 and a Norwood 3 at worst, my 3 brothers are all Norwood 1-3 at worst . My mothers father was Norwood 7 by time he was 50. But I would say I got the best of the other genetics, height, looks and brains. Hair was the only short straw I pulled I am Norwood 5 to 6 but meds are pulling me back. Hoping to get to Norwood 4 then hair transplant to Norwood 2 then cloning to Norwood 0 then grow it long and be a hippie.

 

[Wolf Pack]

^ Sounds like you have a good plan. Plus you got some things that your siblings didn't.

In regards to the thread: everyone has a right to family outside of some serious genetic deformities. No, being ugly or bald is ridiculous for not having kids in my opinion.

 

[marco75]

^ Sounds like you have a good plan. Plus you got some things that your siblings didn't.

In regards to the thread: everyone has a right to family outside of some serious genetic deformities. No, being ugly or bald is ridiculous for not having kids in my opinion.

Yes I agree, plus by the time your son is 25-30 the options to treat baldness should be much higher.

 

[swingline747]

Yes I agree, plus by the time your son is 25-30 the options to treat baldness should be much higher.

exactly what EVERY guy has said for the last 60+ years as they rubbed the latest goose piss snake oil on their heads.

If you have the height, over 6', then youre fine. In other cases being under 5-11 and losing your hair is basically like screaming out loud "I HAVE GHONNA-HERPE-AIDS!" everywhere you go.

At least you got a trade off with your siblings, height wise. Imagine just getting the short end of everything from all your siblings. Where its presumable you each have different fathers (my sis def does) and YOURS was the genetic retard your stupid mother picked to breed YOU!
I have this awful feeling that when me and my brother do get him tested its going to turn out hes the son of some MILLIONAIRE hollywood guy whos been looking for him for the last 25 years and then Ill truly be a lump of schit by comparison.

Now where will you get hair cloning? As far as I know thats not available yet

 

[marco75]

exactly what EVERY guy has said for the last 60+ years as they rubbed the latest goose piss snake oil on their heads.

If you have the height, over 6', then youre fine. In other cases being under 5-11 and losing your hair is basically like screaming out loud "I HAVE GHONNA-HERPE-AIDS!" everywhere you go.

At least you got a trade off with your siblings, height wise. Imagine just getting the short end of everything from all your siblings. Where its presumable you each have different fathers (my sis def does) and YOURS was the genetic retard your stupid mother picked to breed YOU!
I have this awful feeling that when me and my brother do get him tested its going to turn out hes the son of some MILLIONAIRE hollywood guy whos been looking for him for the last 25 years and then Ill truly be a lump of schit by comparison.

Now where will you get hair cloning? As far as I know thats not available yet

:laugh: I don't think its all that bad for you, you are funny as hell.

Hair cloning will come at some point, to honest I think it's to late for me to do anything. I will keep on the meds for a few years incase of a miracle or to maybe add a bit on top. I am happy now buzzing it with a 1" and growing stubble going for the look of pep guardiola, maybe with my other attributes it will be enough otherwise I always have beer and the internet

 

[Wolf Pack]

Is that the Barca coach? Yeah he looked good iirc.

 

[swingline747]

:laugh: I don't think its all that bad for you, you are funny as hell.

Hair cloning will come at some point, to honest I think it's to late for me to do anything. I will keep on the meds for a few years incase of a miracle or to maybe add a bit on top. I am happy now buzzing it with a 1" and growing stubble going for the look of pep guardiola, maybe with my other attributes it will be enough otherwise I always have beer and the internet

yup cause funny always gets you laid!

 

[Wolf Pack]

Swing, why don't you dye your hair and keep it cropped? I'm all for showing greys at a certain age provided the hair is good and skin. But it seems like you are not happy with how your hair looks following the transplant - dyeing it will give a youthful look. I thought it looked okay in that picture, just grow it a bit down.

 

[swingline747]

Swing, why don't you dye your hair and keep it cropped? I'm all for showing greys at a certain age provided the hair is good and skin. But it seems like you are not happy with how your hair looks following the transplant - dyeing it will give a youthful look. I thought it looked okay in that picture, just grow it a bit down.

no after hair transplant my front is cool, crown still sucks. Greys dont bother me. Remember my hair is WAY better but as I say even a hair transplant will not give you great hair again. Ill never dye my hair.
I just get down everytime I have my little brother over and see his hair and listening to his hook ups while trying to figure out a way to murder my GF and get a dog.
Im just over tired and in a mood lately.

 

[Wolf Pack]

That's good the front is much better. Yes I thought greys didn't bother you until I saw one of your recent posts. I always admired the fact that you like showing those greys, I will too one day Crown is such a big area to cover even when one has good donor, it's not worth it like in your situation. They probably just threw in what was left over. It's a hard area to style/layer and mask the loss, unlike the front.

Just dump your gf, seems like you're not happy for ages with her, you can easily get a pretty girl. I think I remember you saying you had some mortgage issues tied down with her.

I do get what you mean about your bro. You showed me a picture once of his hair and when it's that good and presuming he is attractive, he probably doesn't need to work on much. Sad but true. I still think with your great build, decentish hair - girls will not be an issue. I know if you could permanently glue on a wig, you would be very happy, by default it has become your hair

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yup cause funny always gets you laid!

Just saw this. My sis is in a long term relationship but I still remember when she rejected this guy ages ago. He really liked her. She goes he had the best personality ever, job, money and life experience. But he was basically bald, feminine physique and not good looking. She goes I couldn't see us as a couple at all. This is a reality of attraction. We are picky and so are they; as you rightly said, we shouldn't hate on them for it.

You have way more hair, better looking, great body, attraction is a non issue for you imo.

 

[marco75]

That's good the front is much better. Yes I thought greys didn't bother you until I saw one of your recent posts. I always admired the fact that you like showing those greys, I will too one day Crown is such a big area to cover even when one has good donor, it's not worth it like in your situation. They probably just threw in what was left over. It's a hard area to style/layer and mask the loss, unlike the front.

Just dump your gf, seems like you're not happy for ages with her, you can easily get a pretty girl. I think I remember you saying you had some mortgage issues tied down with her.

I do get what you mean about your bro. You showed me a picture once of his hair and when it's that good and presuming he is attractive, he probably doesn't need to work on much. Sad but true. I still think with your great build, decentish hair - girls will not be an issue. I know if you could permanently glue on a wig, you would be very happy, by default it has become your hair

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Just saw this. My sis is in a long term relationship but I still remember when she rejected this guy ages ago. He really liked her. She goes he had the best personality ever, job, money and life experience. But he was basically bald, feminine physique and not good looking. She goes I couldn't see us as a couple at all. This is a reality of attraction. We are picky and so are they; as you rightly said, we shouldn't hate on them for it.

You have way more hair, better looking, great body, attraction is a non issue for you imo.

The question is if he had a full head of hair would she have gone for him? Probably not, but if he was tall, handsome with a good body (but bald) she might?

 

[CaptainForehead]

In regards to the thread: everyone has a right to family outside of some serious genetic deformities. No, being ugly or bald is ridiculous for not having kids in my opinion.

It is important to keep in mind that there is another human being at stake here: your potential kid. I raised this point in another thread (the thread was deleted :-\), that parents do a LOT for their kids, they make many sacrifices --- why not do the same with regards to genetic material?

Consider the case of a couple where the man is infertile. The couple go to a sperm bank. They pick the best possible genes from the bank. Now suppose there is another potential donor who has a similar genetic profile as yours. Would his genes stand a chance of being picked?

Aren't you being super selfish by insisting on YOUR genes (vs elite sperm bank genes) to burden a future human being with?

 

[swingline747]

It is important to keep in mind that there is another human being at stake here: your potential kid. I raised this point in another thread (the thread was deleted :-\), that parents do a LOT for their kids, they make many sacrifices --- why not do the same with regards to genetic material?

Consider the case of a couple where the man is infertile. The couple go to a sperm bank. They pick the best possible genes from the bank. Now suppose there is another potential donor who has a similar genetic profile as yours. Would his genes stand a chance of being picked?
Aren't you being super selfish on insisting on YOUR genes to burden a future human being with?

cant spread more rep lol

 

[Wolf Pack]

It is important to keep in mind that there is another human being at stake here: your potential kid. I raised this point in another thread (the thread was deleted :-\), that parents do a LOT for their kids, they make many sacrifices --- why not do the same with regards to genetic material?

Consider the case of a couple where the man is infertile. The couple go to a sperm bank. They pick the best possible genes from the bank. Now suppose there is another potential donor who has a similar genetic profile as yours. Would his genes stand a chance of being picked?
Aren't you being super selfish on insisting on YOUR genes to burden a future human being with?

It's a human right to start a biological family period. Infertility/sperm bank or adoption is a different issue. Like I said, unless there are certain major diseases present that can be screened at pregnancy, we all have a right to family. I don't want to live in a eugenics world. I know where you're coming from but things can go wrong with a kid even if they are good looking and not bald! What if they fall with the wrong crowd and become alcoholics? What if they join a gang? It's not just genotype but the environment plays a role too. What if the parents split up and the child is unstable? What if they are poor? Do we need to account for all this somehow?

It's an individual choice whether that person wants to pass on their genes, but it should not be the governments job to tell anyone whether they can procreate or not. If one feels they have such major flaws physically and mentally, health wise, then that is their choice. How many people do I meet like this? Very few.

Having the right genes doesn't also lead to a perfect child necessarily.

It's natural selection. If you found someone to mate with you, then end off.

 

[CaptainForehead]

I know where you're coming from but things can go wrong with a kid even if they are good looking and not bald! What if they fall with the wrong crowd and become alcoholics? What if they join a gang? It's not just genotype but the environment plays a role too. What if the parents split up and the child is unstable? What if they are poor? Do we need to account for all this somehow?

The same argument can be made for child molestation. "Plenty of kids who are unmolested get screwed up by other factors".

What we do is we try to create an environment which maximizes the chances of the child being successful in life. Of course, nothing is guaranteed. However, better genes mean better chances of success, that is the whole theory behind evolution.

It's a human right to start a biological family period. Infertility/sperm bank or adoption is a different issue.
It's an individual choice whether that person wants to pass on their genes, but it should not be the governments job to tell anyone whether they can procreate or not.

This I agree with, it should not be the governments job.

It's natural selection. If you found someone to mate with you, then end off.

It is anything but natural selection. Natural section would result in most males not passing on their genes.

 

[Wolf Pack]

The same argument can be made for child molestation. "Plenty of kids who are unmolested get screwed up by other factors".

Child molestation happens without consent and is a violation. It cannot be compared to consensual sex and procreation.

What we do is we try to create an environment which maximizes the chances of the child being successful in life. Of course, nothing is guaranteed. However, better genes mean better chances of success, that is the whole theory behind evolution.

Indeed. But most people out there can achieve something if they work hard at it. Looks don't matter in most careers. I disagree with the notion that only good looking people can start a family for example.

It is anything but natural selection. Natural section would result in most males not passing on their genes.

My point is if you find someone who wants to have a family with you, no one has the right to come between you. I know you think it's selfish but these are two consenting adults. That kid has no right as a foetus, it's the woman's body and her property until then as per the law.

You feel strongly about this CF Will you reproduce? Do you regret your existence? Sorry if it's personal. Just don't answer if it is.

 

[CaptainForehead]

I know you think it's selfish but these are two consenting adults. That kid has no right as a foetus, it's the woman's body and her property until then as per the law.

I agree about the rights issue, my question is about ethics and what should a couple ethically do.
Legally, the mother can drink, can smoke, do all sorts of things I have a problem with.

You feel strongly about this CF Will you reproduce? Do you regret your existence? Sorry if it's personal. Just don't answer if it is.

I've mulled over this the past few weeks. In the end I decided I could not justify giving my genes vs top spermbank genes to a kid. I'm not talking just about beauty. I also want intelligence.

This realization hurts a lot, but if I take my selfishness out of the picture and think only about the best interests of the child and the mother, it is the only logical conclusion.

Anyway, the point is moot. I don't have the option of reproducing. My parents geneline ends with me and my brother.

 

[Wolf Pack]

I agree about the rights issue, my question is about ethics and what should a couple ethically do.
Legally, the mother can drink, can smoke, do all sorts of things I have a problem with.

I see where you're coming from. It is an ethical choice for sure.

I've mulled over this the past few weeks. In the end I decided I could not justify giving my genes vs top spermbank genes to a kid. I'm not talking just about beauty. I also want intelligence.

This realization hurts a lot, but if I take my selfishness out of the picture and think only about the best interests of the child and the mother, it is the only logical conclusion.

Anyway, the point is moot. I don't have the option of reproducing. My parents geneline ends with me and my brother.

I think you have an unrealistic low perception of yourself. If you find someone, there is no reason for you not to reproduce, what's this obsession about looks? You're debating on here, you must have average intelligence at least. There is every chance that kid would be happy in a loving family. Good looks doesn't necessarily = happiness.

 

[swingline747]

It's a human right to start a biological family period.

NO NO BAD BAAAAAAAAAAAAD!!!!!

Having kids is NOT a right, its a privileged which should be earned. To many people in the US think kids are a right..... so are guns (Im pro gun by the way) but do you want guns in ANYONE and EVERYONE's hand???? And kids are A LOT more dangerous than a gun!

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My parents geneline ends with me and my brother.

ditto