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Can you elaborate on this please?Do you really think that the third-party analysts who analyzed their data lied to them?
Can you elaborate on this please?Do you really think that the third-party analysts who analyzed their data lied to them?
Can you elaborate on this please?
My apologies for using a generic term.Shiseido didn't "buy" it; they licensed it. A company can only license what the rights holder is willing to license.
This question can easily be flipped onto the other side of the coin: Why would Shiseido, one of the oldest and largest cosmetic firms in the world, license the technology and invest their own money and capital into building a cell-cultivating facility for a product that doesn't work?
I honestly don't get this argument at all.It's not; retarded claims that fly in the face of any fact are.
No, the FDA and the equivalent administrations need evidence; any data that gets released to the public is really just a bonus.
Do you really think that the third-party analysts who analyzed their data lied to them? Or that the company is just going to bullshit the FDA? They won't get away with it anyway and it would destroy the potential future of a company that as of right now, is not a revenue-generating company.
You're a scientific guy, so surely I don't have to explain ...
You guessed correctly.I'm guessing you haven't visited many subforums here if you expect it to be a reflection of reality instead of the distortion of it that it often is.
First of all, please, guys, may we keep it civilized?
My apologies for using a generic term.
Shiseido is a japanese company and Japanese have set their minds and hearts on everything that is related to stem cells and tissue and organ regeneration. Which in itself is great, 'cause we all know they are one of the most efficient peoples around the globe, but that also means they are willing to take risks.
And RCH-O1 might be a risky investment, might it not?
I honestly don't get this argument at all.
Don't you need solid evidence that a treatment is effective?
Do we have it?
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Hallelujah, after a year of fighting one another, we've come to an agreement.It could be; I doubt there's any "safe" investment in hairloss research.
But I don't look at it from the perspective of "the Japanese" as most here do: I see it as a company who rose to become a titan in the cosmetic industry making an investment they obviously feel is worth their time and I stagger to think they'd have become such an industry player over a hundred years by making too many stupid decisions.
The argument I made is that they're not in a position where it's in their interest to forge data which I'm also fairly certain is illegal, and that the general public aren't the ones who need to see that data when something is still in clinical trials, anyway.
I'll have all the evidence I need to see when it passes the necessary trials and regulations and is approved. If it gets canned, then obviously I'll know it wasn't very good.
That being said, I do wish these companies were more transparent with the public. Follica is supposed to publicly reveal the findings of their first two clinical trials (they planned to start the pivotal study this quarter) sometime in the near future and I really wish they'd get on with it: I want to know if this thing is going to be a practical solution for me or not and the wait is brutal.
But until then, all I can do is wait for the system to do its thing and scrutinize whatever morsels of info they do give us.
Μην το γαμάς.f*** him, man. He is a clown.
That's why i was sceptical to reply at the first time.
http://www.hairlosscure2020.com/shiseido-and-adenosine/
Its getting late in my part of the world. But as I said before Replicels first trial results were a joke for those that dont remember the hype before they released them. They had animated pictures of a guy growing hair back, and then after the first trial changed there tune and said they were immunizing hair. Have they actually proved thjs theory? And Shiseido who is a massive Japanese company that makes expensive hair and skin creams and shampoos. There product Adenosine which was and probably still is expensive AF, had great figures in trials and yet in reality hasnt even been as good as crappy minoxidil. Just because Shesiedo has licenced it or whatever dont mean sh1t
If they believe the hair loss is arrested because the affected cells are being replaced with inmune cells from the back and they have 5 year data to prove that I don't know why you think otherwise. Unless you think they lie on the info they release
why aren't any other companies buying it, except for Shiseido?
There will be no better treatement coming out for the next 30 years? I find that hard to believe. Hair loss is a big market with people becoming more and more obsessed with their appearance.
You're new here; newer than even I, so let me tell you this: There are a lot of crazy people here who flat out do not want anything better to come along.
In the past two pages and in recent threads we've seen:
• At least one person who doesn't think RepliCel or Shiseido will make it, but provides no explanation other than "just a feeling"
• Another person who claims there is a slim chance that said company can arrest hairloss, despite all evidence thus far indicating it can do just that.
• People who argue that JAK inhibitors will cure hairloss, but fail to provide an explanation as to how this will regenerate the hair follicle organ and actually believe that a topical will work for Androgenetic Alopecia because "it can better reach the follicle" and somehow still believe this when shown actual scientific studies that oral JAK (much like finasteride and other drugs) has absolutely no problem reaching the follicle and toward the outermost skin.
When it comes to New Research, there are many who are downright ideologues to whom facts do not matter.
They want to wallow in self pity and believe nothing is happening and it won't matter what breakthroughs happen or how many successful trials we see — they'll still say the same things.
There are dumb guys already declaring Shiseido a success for stopping hair loss based on study results involving only 19 test subjects.
Shiseido has not yet released any results from their phase II study or any study period. Are you referring to the study done by Replicel? If so, then your comment should read "There are dumb guys already declaring Replicel a success for stopping hair loss based on study results involving only 19 test subjects."
Surely though, with your vast intellect, you were aware of this. It must be that I am too simple minded to understand what you meant. That is the only logical explanation right?
I transposed the wrong company name into the sentence. Whoop dee doo.
In any case, it's my understanding that Shiseido is using the same treatment as Replicel. Hence, that means the treatment that Shiseido is using has accomplished nothing so far other than to arrest hair loss in 19 test subjects.
Now that having been said, you have to keep in mind that unlike Replicel, Shiseido is using repeat follow-up injections so there is also a slim chance that Shiseido might get better results. Anytime you change a protocol you can get a different result from the previous result.