Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[Aleksey(Aleks)]

Guys, hello, everybody. Can anybody give me a hint? I need your advice. Thanks

 

[Hair sausage]

I had no dead zones / bald spots so i cant tell you bica regrew my hair, i just had diffuse thinning which was 100% stopped on bica and reversed a fair amount. Anyway would rather go bald than to be on this drug long term. Im already shaving my head anyway and looking into alternatives as they do exist today.

For people like us, these drugs are contraindicated. I was supposed to have sex with two pretty girls who invited me to a party and my dick didn't get up when I only took finasteride for a month. This shocked me to the core, because before the libido sparkled just from ordinary thoughts. Then I sat on E for a while, but changed my mind in time and now I understand that not a single hair is worth a penis. By the way, it suits you to be shaved, so in any case, you will be fine bro. if you find alternatives that do not affect sex life - let me know in a personal message)

 

[tato123]

thank you very much friend for your availability, I have read the whole discussion twice, but in the end your path seemed to me the most suitable for a man who wants to take risks .. and honestly in my opinion you have had excellent results with low dosages. I think the hormonal path is very effective, unfortunately if you want to remain men or at least half men you can't go easy with this .. when i was on androcur and oral E2 i saw hair grow that wasn't there for at least 15 years, but then I had a real nervous breakdown .. that being a man cannot be accepted. it would not make sense.I have been fighting this battle for a long time ... until one day I came across this forum without participating however ... it was 2017 and I started taking spironolactone until 2020 and it gave me excellent maintenance, unfortunately then I discovered this discussion and everything went to get fucked up .. I say so because maybe today I was still on spironolactone without problems and instead in 2020 I started cyproterone for 8 months in mono therapy with good results .. but I wanted more, and I added oral E2 and minoxidil oral 5mg. the hair started growing but one fine day I notice that my penis has shrunk in size and this can't go for a man. so from that day it is an exhausting battle but without E2 it seems that nothing works for me anymore .. sorry for the digression it was to point out that I know the medicines and their effects ... I keep asking you questions if you don't mind ?! I also need to understand how far it can go by measuring estrogen. are you still being treated today? have you lost your earnings? What role do you give to bicalutamide, metformin in the treatment? Thanks again.
I apologize if some words seem out of place but I write with the translator ..

My big problem has always been this, getting hair but keeping as close to "ordinary" as possible.

I started my journey on this forum a long time ago but I only created this account in August 2019.

I've always been intrigued by how much this disease affects our quality of life and how we have so little information about it, and even fewer treatments available.

So I did it like a good scientist and started to research and take notes by observation and analysis, and then apply it in a clinical way.

And after so many hours of research into this, between scalp massages, and laser for photostimulation, you start to realize that you'll only get results by trying extreme things, and even then limited.

I had great results through the hormonal route, absurd, but some with limited side effects, for me it's no use being hairy but losing libido and fertility, and not only that, playing with hormones is dangerous.

The truth is, you can try bicalutamide and E2 and it might not work anyway, or it might.

See which treatment will be sustainable for you.

I had a lot of results with CPA and E2, with E2 alone I was in maintenance, I certainly had better skin and hair quality, and maybe a limited regroth, I grew a lot in the treatment as a whole, I spent about 2 years alternating bicalutamide, CPA, Spirolactone, E2, I changed my hormonal profile, but over the months you feel your body changing, you can't stay in the regimen, this is the big problem with this route, there may be some that will hold your libido, masculinity and etc, but I don't with you.

Lack of libido, sentimental lability, very watery semen or sometimes nothing at all, the list is endless. Depressed, unexplained feelings, loss of quality of life, just like you described the set almost gave me a nervous breakdown.


I stopped taking finasteride about 2 months ago, and I stopped E2 at some point in December 2021.
I only took oral minoxidil today.

Everything else I tried didn't pay off in risk benefit.

Today my hair is certainly less quality, my skin has returned to its previous quality, but I don't have any problems from any source.
I've been on finasteride for 5 years, without failing a day, today 2 months after the last pill the difference is really stark, I feel better, more alive, I can't explain, maybe the brain fog of finasteride is real, my libido is insane. My seminal fluid is thick and with a lot of volume, in short, finasteride, anti-androgens in general, definitely change our behavior.

Well I've been shedding for a while, but with oral minoxidil it's always like this, my hair goes into cycles.

But still good volume, I'm around nw1-2.

I respect those who can, but it is difficult to maintain these treatments to obtain a systemic female profile that would be an AR Blocker or blocker of T+ Hormones production of estrogenic origin. This can work, there are many MTF that have complete recovery, but it is completely different from an XY that just wants to have hair, there are things you won't want to give up.

So what I have to say to you is that it works, at least most of the time, the question is whether you want to sign the contract or not.

As I always say, seek your treatment and prepare for consequences.

In search of something new.

Metformin is a drug with many details, I've even made a post about it, but that's up to you, it's more of a drug, and the less the better, but yes it can help, why not.

And some studies say it potentiates the effect of AR blockers.

But everything is very experimental.

In short

I did a lot, I took a lot, Flutamide, E2, CPA, bicalutamide, Spirolactone, finasteride, dutasteride. I always wrote and took notes of all the drugs, the post is going to be huge I won't go on.

I had results with some, not others, but in all of them I had side effects that I couldn't stand, that's my opinion, but it can work.

It's a leap of faith.

 

[tato123]

Yes everyone buy from Sabrina at Wuhan P&Q lab because anageninc and chemyo can't be trusted to consistently sell pure products and they are resellers anyway, they buy from labs and resell it for 2x, better to go straight to the source where its synthesized.

& dude are why you such a miserable human being? No one wants to hear your toxic thoughts. Get some therapy or be frowned upon by society idc, no one wants to be around someone like you, you're so negative. I almost pity you, poor thing, must be so hard losing the battle .

Hello, are you feeling something with the RU? Something heart-related disorder?

Thank you!

 

[tato123]

For people like us, these drugs are contraindicated. I was supposed to have sex with two pretty girls who invited me to a party and my dick didn't get up when I only took finasteride for a month. This shocked me to the core, because before the libido sparkled just from ordinary thoughts. Then I sat on E for a while, but changed my mind in time and now I understand that not a single hair is worth a penis. By the way, it suits you to be shaved, so in any case, you will be fine bro. if you find alternatives that do not affect sex life - let me know in a personal message)

I even reported this here in my old posts.

I had a similar experience in my time, it was the attack on pearl harbor for me, it's no use being the most beautiful man in the world if I'm not healthy. And libido is part of perfect male health

I lost wonderful sex with a wonderful woman because I just didn't have a libido, I used finasteride and flutamide at the time.

We kissed for hours and my friend didn't go up, something common that before just needed a simple thought doesn't happen, this is kind of desperate at least for me. It's been a few years now, and I'm already engaged today, but yes that was my main reason.
I've been worse, at the time of CPA and E2 I had sex using vasodilators to enhance erection.
So I had an erection and I didn't come, like I felt the sensation but nothing came out, it was even worse, women didn't understand anything. Like this? Nothing came out? Bad feeling.

No hair deserves my libido, it's part of who I am, my hair too, but I still prefer to be a man, do what, I was born that way.

 

[Hair sausage]

I even reported this here in my old posts.

I had a similar experience in my time, it was the attack on pearl harbor for me, it's no use being the most beautiful man in the world if I'm not healthy. And libido is part of perfect male health

I lost wonderful sex with a wonderful woman because I just didn't have a libido, I used finasteride and flutamide at the time.

We kissed for hours and my friend didn't go up, something common that before just needed a simple thought doesn't happen, this is kind of desperate at least for me. It's been a few years now, and I'm already engaged today, but yes that was my main reason.
I've been worse, at the time of CPA and E2 I had sex using vasodilators to enhance erection.
So I had an erection and I didn't come, like I felt the sensation but nothing came out, it was even worse, women didn't understand anything. Like this? Nothing came out? Bad feeling.

No hair deserves my libido, it's part of who I am, my hair too, but I still prefer to be a man, do what, I was born that way.

Now I am not so afraid of going bald, because I have tried everything that should have helped and I do not regret that I did not try to save my hair. Losing hair is like losing your youth, but life goes on, the main thing is not to lose your masculine essence

 

[tato123]

remember who you are

 

[Adri23]

Don't be that sad lol. You still have choices like hair pieces. That's what I'll do in the near future since nothing works for me.

 

[S7E841]

My big problem has always been this, getting hair but keeping as close to "ordinary" as possible.

I started my journey on this forum a long time ago but I only created this account in August 2019.

I've always been intrigued by how much this disease affects our quality of life and how we have so little information about it, and even fewer treatments available.

So I did it like a good scientist and started to research and take notes by observation and analysis, and then apply it in a clinical way.

And after so many hours of research into this, between scalp massages, and laser for photostimulation, you start to realize that you'll only get results by trying extreme things, and even then limited.

I had great results through the hormonal route, absurd, but some with limited side effects, for me it's no use being hairy but losing libido and fertility, and not only that, playing with hormones is dangerous.

The truth is, you can try bicalutamide and E2 and it might not work anyway, or it might.

See which treatment will be sustainable for you.

I had a lot of results with CPA and E2, with E2 alone I was in maintenance, I certainly had better skin and hair quality, and maybe a limited regroth, I grew a lot in the treatment as a whole, I spent about 2 years alternating bicalutamide, CPA, Spirolactone, E2, I changed my hormonal profile, but over the months you feel your body changing, you can't stay in the regimen, this is the big problem with this route, there may be some that will hold your libido, masculinity and etc, but I don't with you.

Lack of libido, sentimental lability, very watery semen or sometimes nothing at all, the list is endless. Depressed, unexplained feelings, loss of quality of life, just like you described the set almost gave me a nervous breakdown.


I stopped taking finasteride about 2 months ago, and I stopped E2 at some point in December 2021.
I only took oral minoxidil today.

Everything else I tried didn't pay off in risk benefit.

Today my hair is certainly less quality, my skin has returned to its previous quality, but I don't have any problems from any source.
I've been on finasteride for 5 years, without failing a day, today 2 months after the last pill the difference is really stark, I feel better, more alive, I can't explain, maybe the brain fog of finasteride is real, my libido is insane. My seminal fluid is thick and with a lot of volume, in short, finasteride, anti-androgens in general, definitely change our behavior.

Well I've been shedding for a while, but with oral minoxidil it's always like this, my hair goes into cycles.

But still good volume, I'm around nw1-2.

I respect those who can, but it is difficult to maintain these treatments to obtain a systemic female profile that would be an AR Blocker or blocker of T+ Hormones production of estrogenic origin. This can work, there are many MTF that have complete recovery, but it is completely different from an XY that just wants to have hair, there are things you won't want to give up.

So what I have to say to you is that it works, at least most of the time, the question is whether you want to sign the contract or not.

As I always say, seek your treatment and prepare for consequences.

In search of something new.

Metformin is a drug with many details, I've even made a post about it, but that's up to you, it's more of a drug, and the less the better, but yes it can help, why not.

And some studies say it potentiates the effect of AR blockers.

But everything is very experimental.

In short

I did a lot, I took a lot, Flutamide, E2, CPA, bicalutamide, Spirolactone, finasteride, dutasteride. I always wrote and took notes of all the drugs, the post is going to be huge I won't go on.

I had results with some, not others, but in all of them I had side effects that I couldn't stand, that's my opinion, but it can work.

It's a leap of faith.

thanks for all the replies friend, you have been very helpful .. i thought you were still in treatment and knowing that you dropped everything makes me think a bit .. maybe not even cycling with E2 you can go so far ... in the last few days I've thought a lot, and maybe I'll give the RU / pyrilutamide combination a chance first as long as I get my hands on the latter ... and leave E2 aside as a last resort ... I fully understand what you mean when you talk about the various side effects there I have been and I am in them ... but I have always accepted and endured them low libido, absence of sperm, gynecomastia are not a problem for me ... Of course being a man if one day my friend down there would not answer present then I would evaluate definitely the treatment .. the only side effect I can't stand is the depression that causes my hair loss .. that is disabling for me ...

 

[S7E841]

I even reported this here in my old posts.

I had a similar experience in my time, it was the attack on pearl harbor for me, it's no use being the most beautiful man in the world if I'm not healthy. And libido is part of perfect male health

I lost wonderful sex with a wonderful woman because I just didn't have a libido, I used finasteride and flutamide at the time.

We kissed for hours and my friend didn't go up, something common that before just needed a simple thought doesn't happen, this is kind of desperate at least for me. It's been a few years now, and I'm already engaged today, but yes that was my main reason.
I've been worse, at the time of CPA and E2 I had sex using vasodilators to enhance erection.
So I had an erection and I didn't come, like I felt the sensation but nothing came out, it was even worse, women didn't understand anything. Like this? Nothing came out? Bad feeling.

No hair deserves my libido, it's part of who I am, my hair too, but I still prefer to be a man, do what, I was born that way.

I have used many drugs too, finasteride for 20 years, duta-cyproterone-spironolactone-bica-e2 .. but I almost never had erection problems. only when I was on Cipro and E2 did I have more difficulty but still the erection was always present. it has never been a problem for me. maybe if I had an erection problem I would have stopped the drugs like you did .. indeed I certainly would have.

 

[Almas_NW0]

Will Pyrilutamide reduce oily skin and is it available in oral form? I would consider oral pyrilutamide option lol. Either oral Bicalutamide + Pyrilutamide because I don't want to have poor quality oily skin. Plus, I'm going bald all over my scalp, so I need to cover my entire head from my ears to the back of my neck...

 

[Adri23]

Will Pyrilutamide reduce oily skin and is it available in oral form? I would consider oral pyrilutamide option lol. Either oral Bicalutamide + Pyrilutamide because I don't want to have poor quality oily skin. Plus, I'm going bald all over my scalp, so I need to cover my entire head from my ears to the back of my neck...

You won't need an oral version since it will be available for hair loss topically and a gel variant for acne (which will also reduce oily skin by blocking AR locally).

 

[Almas_NW0]

You won't need an oral version since it will be available for hair loss topically and a gel variant for acne (which will also reduce oily skin by blocking AR locally).

The fact is that it is inconvenient to apply drugs on the entire head and entire face. My expense will be high because my follicles are androgen sensitive all over my head. I literally have to wash my hair with pyrilutamide lol.

 

[Adri23]

The fact is that it is inconvenient to apply drugs on the entire head and entire face. My expense will be high because my follicles are androgen sensitive all over my head. I literally have to wash my hair with pyrilutamide lol.

Same but better than take an oral antiandrogen LOL. Face is easy to apply tho.

 

[Aleksey(Aleks)]

Guys, hi, everyone. I'm 27 years old. Can anyone give me some pointers? I really need your advice. Thanks

Guys, can you tell me if it makes sense to take 0.5 mg (or 0.25 mg) of dutasteride a day? Has anyone taken it, what were the side effects and any results, or does it make everything worse?

Also, what do you think about cyproterone acetate, is it dangerous to take 50 mg a day, or do you divide the tablet into 2 parts (25 mg a day), or 4 parts (12.5 mg a day)?

I am currently using regular minoxidil 5% foam 2 times a day since January 2022 and once a day estradiol gel topically 1 dose ≈0.75 mg. since April 24, 2022, I also started taking cyproterone acetate ≈12.5 mg a day since May 1, 2022, dividing the pill into 4 parts.

Have any of you tried Maxogen-X lotion?

The composition of Maxogen-X:

Minoxidil 7.0% (70 mg*)
Finasteride 0.15% (1.5 mg*)
Azelaic acid 1.5% (15 mg*)
ABN ComplexTM 0.8% (8.0 mg*)
Retin-A (otherwise known as tretinoin) 0.025% (0.25 mg*)
Fluocinolone 0.01% (0.1 mg *)
Caffeine: 0.001% (0.01 mg *)
(* amount in each milliliter (ML))

Plus ketoconazole shampoo (ketoconazole 2% + zinc pyrithione), what do you think?

Thanks

 

[losingbattle88]

Now I am not so afraid of going bald, because I have tried everything that should have helped and I do not regret that I did not try to save my hair. Losing hair is like losing your youth, but life goes on, the main thing is not to lose your masculine essence

U tried ru?

 

[losingbattle88]

The fact is that it is inconvenient to apply drugs on the entire head and entire face. My expense will be high because my follicles are androgen sensitive all over my head. I literally have to wash my hair with pyrilutamide lol.

Tell me about it.... Its costly and annoying. Daily f*****g nightly routine. Imagine Doing this all your life with a partner, thats even more annoying. Honey im just gonna go apply my cocktail of topicals before I have sex with you, you just have to wait, I have to do this or I go bald understand? and honey dont forget you cant touch my hair because I got RU and pyrilutamide and finasteride and minoxidill and spironolactone and alfadratiol on my head. OK HONEY?

 

[Almas_NW0]

Tell me about it.... Its costly and annoying. Daily f*****g nightly routine. Imagine Doing this all your life with a partner, thats even more annoying. Honey im just gonna go apply my cocktail of topicals before I have sex with you, you just have to wait, I have to do this or I go bald understand? and honey dont forget you cant touch my hair because I got RU and pyrilutamide and finasteride and minoxidill and spironolactone and alfadratiol on my head. OK HONEY?

So I prefer to just swallow the pill

 

[CTD]

Tell me about it.... Its costly and annoying. Daily f*****g nightly routine. Imagine Doing this all your life with a partner, thats even more annoying. Honey im just gonna go apply my cocktail of topicals before I have sex with you, you just have to wait, I have to do this or I go bald understand? and honey dont forget you cant touch my hair because I got RU and pyrilutamide and finasteride and minoxidill and spironolactone and alfadratiol on my head. OK HONEY?

LMAO I recently ordered some bica since I'm also hoping to find an alternative to messy inconvenient daily topicals. Would be so awesome if a topical AR degrader was developed that would only require application once a week or so.

 

[bridgeburn]

Ok then.