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[Afro_Vacancy]

Have you ever worked on a checkout? Or in a factory?

You might not know how lucky you are in your job.

Yes I have, what's your point?

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

You are going to be replaced whatever you are.

Some people are transformative.

I can understand Steve Jobs putting his career first.

 

[SmoothSailing]

I find it very shallow when people say they want meaning from their careers, particularly as most people don't have interesting jobs. If the typical person overachieves they might be an office manager, or a school principal, a software developer, or a good lawyer ... Who cares? There's no meaningful legacy there and if you're not doing that job somebody else will.

Unless you're Stanley Kubrick or a neurosurgeon or somebody like that your career is not that meaningful and you can easily be replaced, capitalism is not going to miss you.

I completely disagree. If you find meaning in what you do, and you do it well, you will be much happier, and often it does make a true difference.

For example; good teachers I've had have changed my life for the better, and they've always seemed to be happier than the bad teachers who didn't care.

Even simple, replaceable jobs like brick laying can be meaningful to people. I don't agree that they shouldn't consider it meaningful just because someone would replace them if they stopped.

 

[SmoothSailing]

http://www.beqom.com/topicofmonth/jfk-and-the-janitor-the-importance-of-understanding-the-why

President John F. Kennedy was visiting NASA headquarters for the first time, in 1961. While touring the facility, he introduced himself to a janitor who was mopping the floor and asked him what he did at NASA. The janitor replied, “I’m helping put a man on the moon!”

 

[JohnsonDDG]

Yes I have, what's your point?

Often these low paid jobs are what women are stuck with.

They have to be there to drop the kids at school and be there when they finish at 3.

There aren't too many good jobs that want you only between 9-3 so they are often forced to work is jobs that are well below their capabilities.

For a woman, having a child can be absolutely devastating to long term career progression and often forces them into menial and tedious labour.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

I completely disagree. If you find meaning in what you do, and you do it well, you will be much happier, and often it does make a true difference.

For example; good teachers I've had have changed my life for the better, and they've always seemed to be happier than the bad teachers who didn't care.

Even simple, replaceable jobs like brick laying can be meaningful to people. I don't agree that they shouldn't consider it meaningful just because someone would replace them if they stopped.

I hope you don't count on bricklaying for meaning, there's no viable future there.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

I am not that impressed by Steve Jobs. I know how clever and influent he was, but...

He wasn't a nice guy personally, but what matters is whether or not he had a positive impact on the world.

 

[SmoothSailing]

I hope you don't count on bricklaying for meaning, there's no viable future there.

No I'm software developer, apparently I shouldn't be finding any meaning in my work

But when I did tilling I found meaning in it. I enjoyed it. People always presumed I must have hated it, "bad day at work?", no actually I had a good time, listening to music and trying to do a neat job to impress the customer.

Repetition gets boring though, won't deny that.

 

[CopeForLife]

I am not that impressed by Steve Jobs. I know how clever and influent he was, but...

don't understand this hype as well

eventually he is just a man who refused to believe a scientific cure of cancer, chose "natural" instead with predictable result

 

[CopeForLife]

No I'm software developer, apparently I shouldn't be finding any meaning in my work

But when I did tilling I found meaning in it. I enjoyed it. People always presumed I must have hated it, "bad day at work?", no actually I had a good time, listening to music and trying to do a neat job to impress the customer.

Repetition gets boring though, won't deny that.

As a software developer I would say 90% of our regular work is routine and 10% is real programming.

People outside usually thinks we press buttons 8 hours per day – but basically writing code takes I'd say 20-25% at best.


Another story is pet project/opensource.

 

[CopeForLife]

Sometimes chemical treatments kill you sooner...

that's not an argument at all

 

[DoctorHouse]

As I've often said, anyone (men and women) who tries to wage a war on biology is going to lose in the end.

Having kids and building a family is the right path if you don't want to end up living an empty and meaningless life after you've hit middle-age.

You can cope about this all you want but in the end, when you're in your late 40's and still childless, you will regret it.

I believe it's because of our inability to project ourselves into our own future, all we know is our youth and we think we'll still be able to live the same lifestyles (slaying, nights out with friends, living the bachelor life) well into our 40's. This is delusional.

Having children is an investment, an investment on your future happiness, once you're older and your looks have faded, what will you have left? Will it still be p*rn, video games and desperately trying to chase tinderella's ad vitam eternam?

Choosing to be exclusive with my current girlfriend was not settling, I really had to let 3 other girls go to be with her at the time, all pretty decent. It was a happy time in my life, but I knew I couldn't go on like this forever, making girls fall in love with me and then telling them: "Nah I can't settle, settling is for beta losers, I need my freedom!"

That's the easy path, a path that will make you unhappy in the long-term.

This may sound beta as f***, but even though having sex with multiple women can feel good, it doesn't compare to developing a lasting meaningful relationship with this one girl that you found special. My girlfriend having stars in her eyes while telling me "you make me happy" is an amazing feeling that 'slaying' will never provide.

Not every guy may have the mental ability to go down the traditional path of getting married and having children and the white picket fence. And with that he will live with regrets but sometimes later in life he might find maybe his choice was best for him when he sees divorce becoming the norm and in some cases children draining their parents funds and emotions when they are dysfunctional in society. I truly believe sometimes life works out the way it should for some people.

You are all forgetting that you don't know how your future self will handle things once you lose your youth and you have children of your own. My brother had kids and a wife and was miserable most of time. So just remember although it sounds good on paper, it may not work out that way for some of you. Your perspectives throughout life will change and those who you used to find compatible may become incompatible. However, no matter what as you get older you will live with regrets if you allow yourself to. I have to suppress alot of regrets and negative thoughts in order to live a decent normal life. If I did not have a career where I am constantly making a difference in people's life, my life would have no meaning. As my older self, I can tell you I still carry the same insecurities I had when I was around the age of mostly all of you, and it can still affect how you function in society. Since Shook and I think very similar, I will be very curious to see what becomes of him 10 to 20 years from now. I doubt he will still be here posting but if he does, it will be interesting to see. Of course, if we have a cure by then, who knows if anyone of us will be here.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Sometimes chemical treatments kill you sooner...

Jobs had pancreatic cancer, one of the worst ones.

The five year survival rate is 8%.

 

[sunchyme1]

who knows if anyone of us will be here.

as long as freds still here, ill will be too

i cant live without him

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Ahaha and you think he had?
I don't mind people not being nice. I just think he is not that impressive. He is no Pasteur or Wagner or Tesla is what I mean.

That's debatable.

He's responsible for Apple and Pixar, both are transformative developments that are difficult to assess right now.

It's problematic to compare the great men of today to those of previous centuries as with those we've seen the trajectories.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

I know. Bitchy one this one. I am obsessed with cancer survival rates and new treatments.

When my dad was in the hospital, he had a roommate with pancreatic cancer.

The doctors told her upon diagnosis that she had 3 months to live. She pursued alternative treatments and lived for four years. It was very meaningful as both her daughters were teenagers upon her death.

If I got cancer tomorrow I would dive 100% into both mainstream and alternative treatments.

 

[biddybomb]

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

It is not that I don't believe in mainstream treatments. But they are so hard on the body... I have a friend currently on chemo I visit every week. It's hard!

Yes it's incredibly painful. It is a poison. Sometimes you live longer but the quality of life is worse.

You're a good friend.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Returning to the subject of kids, what I consider the two major causes of declining birth dates:

1) lower rates of relationship formation. People want better than they can get so they stay single. Myself included lol I should have settled for an obese woman with a good head by now, and perhaps would have if this were 1947. In general more people are single, and age of first marriage is increasing.

2) Much lower standards of living among the middle class. Back during the baby boom the middle class could afford to have 3.9 kids per women which was the peak rate. What was normal was to buy a house in your mid 20s and have enough financial security to take care of everything.

When I was 25 I was in graduate school, I had no savings, no security, and a modest income. I was renting an apartment.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Sorry I did not want to make the thread depressing (let's kill ourselves!).
Back to Steve Jobs : do you think he made the world better @David_MPN ?
I think smartphones are making us miserable.
I was listening to a conference about the art of the waiting among the surrealists, and the guy said the waiting as an existential disposition was less and less possible because of smartphones (among oher things). Apparently, we check our smartphones approximately 90 times a day...

Teens are morons who can't even read a book because of it !

Smart phones were going to happen anyway and were happening anyway due the crackberry, which was the nickname for blackberry. I agree it's a problem, in my life for sure.

Jobs helped personalize the computer, he made it more maInstrem and socially acceptable with his marketing campaigns, and he's responsible for Pixar.

The world would look very different if games still had to be installed from the command line. Jobs is one of the few people in the software revolution who thought about aesthetic.