New Dermaroller Study; Thoughts, comments?

[Kirby]

1.5mm dermaroller arrived at last (from Slovakia), starting tonight or tomorrow night on this, belatedly.

Any tips for preparing the scalp? Have an unused bottle of betadine but not sure if it's viable.

Will try and track progress as much as I can, unfortunately I only have a crappy digicam from 2008, but I'll do my best. I'm definitely convinced by the evidence on rolling, hair growth is a slow process so it's not like we'd be seeing astonishing regrowth in this time span, let's be honest.

 

[odalbak]

hair growth is a slow process so it's not like we'd be seeing astonishing regrowth in this time span

As Princessrambo reminded us, the after pictures in the Indian study were taken 8 months after the 12 week procedure. It IS a slow process since we need to wait for the newly formed follicles to produce fully adult hairs and that takes time. Me I've noticed that all the small blond vellus hair that had sprouted after 3 weeks have now become black; it will take time for them to look like proper noticeable hairs.

 

[Breaking Bald]

As Princessrambo reminded us, the after pictures in the Indian study were taken 8 months after the 12 week procedure.

You sure about that? It just says 'On retrospective questioning of patients after 8 months of completion of the study, at the time of writing the manuscript, all patients in the Microneedling group reported a sustainable response' not that the photos were taken after 8 months.

 

[Chromeo]

I keep hearing that about the photos being taken 8 months later, but I can't find anything to back that up. If the pics were taken 8 months later then the study becomes somewhat misleading, as it clearly states "Post treatment 12 weeks" directly above the photographs. I hope it's not just one of these "somebody emailed one of the guys who conducted the study" type deals, that's quite unreliable information if you ask me.

I have always doubted that the photographs were taken after only 3 months.

 

[Sparky4444]

There's no two ways about it...my scalp is wayyyyyyy tighter than it ever has before....It never was this tight so this tightening progression is part of what is going on with me....no doubt about it...probably why it hurts so goddamn much when I stab

....man it would be nice to have a scalp massager to add to this routine....I firmly believe this would help A LOT

I have 5 or 6 hairs that seem to hang in there on my slick frontal area, but that's about it....

...collagen...maybe I should double up on the gelatin....

 

[Jlyncher]

There's no two ways about it...my scalp is wayyyyyyy tighter than it ever has before....It never was this tight so this tightening progression is part of what is going on with me....no doubt about it...probably why it hurts so goddamn much when I stab

....man it would be nice to have a scalp massager to add to this routine....I firmly believe this would help A LOT

I have 5 or 6 hairs that seem to hang in there on my slick frontal area, but that's about it....

...collagen...maybe I should double up on the gelatin....

I've been taking a liquid collagen supplement, I think it helps a lot with repair.

 

[DesperateOne]

so vitamin c creme could be usefull after dermaroller treatment?

http://www.google.de/imgres?client=...&ndsp=59&ved=1t:429,r:6,s:0,i:100&tx=41&ty=12

this guy been using minoxidil directly while/after rolling and got some great results too?

I don't think the cream would be useful for male pattern baldness, vit c is really good for wrinkles after you roll.
that link you posted has a caffeine shampoo which interesting enough, I believe Rambo posted something similar.

On a side note, I have dissolved my Cet pills and are ready to go, I will do my session tonight and hope for the best.

 

[odalbak]

I keep hearing that about the photos being taken 8 months later, but I can't find anything to back that up.

Patients were shaved during the whole study to assess results, hence the after pictures with very short hair. Since after 8 months "all patients in the microneedling group reported a sustainable response", the after pictures can't have been taken after 12 weeks but much longer than that.

 

[Sparky4444]

I've been taking a liquid collagen supplement, I think it helps a lot with repair.

well ... the bottom line is that my hair is falling out faster than it ever has before...not because of the rolling as I have only been doing this on my bare temple...but something wacked is going on -- scalp is itchy as crap....getting nailed here...

...I am a solid Norwood 3 Vertex, diffuse thinning, on a bullet train for NW5...plain and simple...this is over for me guys....it's hair transplant time...hopefully Follica can give me back something on the top and back..

...but it's a lost cause for me....I'll do a few more stabbings just to see if something pop's up, in the interest of science...but I've hit the end-game...

 

[princessRambo]

I keep hearing that about the photos being taken 8 months later, but I can't find anything to back that up. If the pics were taken 8 months later then the study becomes somewhat misleading, as it clearly states "Post treatment 12 weeks" directly above the photographs. I hope it's not just one of these "somebody emailed one of the guys who conducted the study" type deals, that's quite unreliable information if you ask me.

I have always doubted that the photographs were taken after only 3 months.

I don't have much time to elaborate on this today but I had a post about this before, as oda mentioned, and unfortunately I deleted the post after rage-quitting the forums the other day ... here it is again, read the note about picture a and b... I wish people will stop this confusion once and for all. Assessment was done at different time frame during the study (notably 6 weeks and 12 months as they mentioned, probably more) with microscopic photographic technology, hair has to be kept at the same length as day 1 to keep assessment consistent. This picture from the study says it all. I wish folks will read at least the studies posted :argue:.

 

[DesperateOne]

well ... the bottom line is that my hair is falling out faster than it ever has before...not because of the rolling as I have only been doing this on my bare temple...but something wacked is going on -- scalp is itchy as crap....getting nailed here...

...I am a solid Norwood 3 Vertex, diffuse thinning, on a bullet train for NW5...plain and simple...this is over for me guys....it's hair transplant time...hopefully Follica can give me back something on the top and back..

...but it's a lost cause for me....I'll do a few more stabbings just to see if something pop's up, in the interest of science...but I've hit the end-game...

Well you're lucky you're a good candidate for a hair transplant, I am not. This disease should of had a cure long ago, it's just mind boggling the level of incompetence in the hair loss science community. Anyways, good luck, I know we talked **** to each other but in the end, we both are victims of this horrible disease.

On a side note, I rolled today and the pain was worse, the mint oil did almost nothing.

@Squeegee, how is that numbing cream you ordered working out for you?

Do you guys think it's a good idea to go to a local doctor and have him put me down for like 30 mins and do the procedure so it can be deep and bloody?

 

[Sparky4444]

Well you're lucky you're a good candidate for a hair transplant, I am not.

In terms of donor hair, I am not a great candidate -- this is why Follica needs to bring something to help with coverage on the top and back...at least something cosmetically acceptable...

I have just enough donor hair to help with the frontal area up to about the mid-point at the top...after that, not much left....that's where Follica needs to come in...

...it all pretty much hinges on what Dr. Wesley presents at the end of the month...that will be the deal breaker....if not, then I may just shave it and live my life in acceptance...what else can you do?? I am tired of fighting this for the past 15 years...

 

[ganonford]

Do you guys think it would be stupid to add a chemical peeling to the dermaroller treatment?, would that be overkill?, or do you believe it would be just plain useless?...

I don't know, maybe use the dermaroller, and then, like three or four days latter, do a peeling on my scalp with glycolic acid at a 50% concentration. And then wait like

two or three weeks to use the dermaroller again and them four days latter the chemical peeling once again and go like this over and over again. (while I keep using minoxidil

of course).

Do you guys think it's a good idea to go to a local doctor and have him put me down for like 30 mins and do the procedure so it can be deep and bloody?

Personally, I think that would be a very good idea (though even now we are not yet sure if deep and bloody is necessary)

 

[super]

Do you guys think it would be stupid to add a chemical peeling to the dermaroller treatment?, would that be overkill?, or do you believe it would be just plain useless?...

I don't know, maybe use the dermaroller, and then, like three or four days latter, do a peeling on my scalp with glycolic acid at a 50% concentration. And then wait like

two or three weeks to use the dermaroller again and them four days latter the chemical peeling once again and go like this over and over again. (while I keep using minoxidil

of course).



Personally, I think that would be a very good idea (though even now we are not yet sure if deep and bloody is necessary)

I do my treatment with a doctor, started 1.5 year ago, but only did it once a month. He is a ****ing genius and had a guess that this would work. And it did. I talked about my experience pages back. He uses a peeling formula on my scalp before adding the anaesthetic and then he rolls.

I am still busy. I will try to make a longer post with what his son said to me this last time i went there (tuesday).

 

[TNTS]

Well you're lucky you're a good candidate for a hair transplant, I am not. This disease should of had a cure long ago, it's just mind boggling the level of incompetence in the hair loss science community. Anyways, good luck, I know we talked **** to each other but in the end, we both are victims of this horrible disease.

On a side note, I rolled today and the pain was worse, the mint oil did almost nothing.

@Squeegee, how is that numbing cream you ordered working out for you?

Do you guys think it's a good idea to go to a local doctor and have him put me down for like 30 mins and do the procedure so it can be deep and bloody?

hey desperateone, i'm still haven't used my 1.5mm roller, but keep in mind that from searching about rollers, the specialist says that bigger needles has a very short lifetime.
After 10 uses max, (for 1.5mm roller) they become blunt and they must be replaced.
I don't know if a better quality roller last longer, but do your own research and check your needles.
My 0.75 roller has a lifetime about 6 months.

 

[Irishjim]

@ganonford do you mean like this?

http://immortalhair.forumandco.com/t9447p45-scalp-peeling-with-20-glycolic-acid-great-results

Would be good to hear from the senior members on this? Could it be a good addition?:unsure:

 

[Kirby]

1.5mm dermaroller arrived at last (from Slovakia), starting tonight or tomorrow night on this, belatedly.

Any tips for preparing the scalp? Have an unused bottle of betadine but not sure if it's viable.

Will try and track progress as much as I can, unfortunately I only have a crappy digicam from 2008, but I'll do my best. I'm definitely convinced by the evidence on rolling, hair growth is a slow process so it's not like we'd be seeing astonishing regrowth in this time span, let's be honest.

Haven't been able to do this, don't think I can without very clear instructions, everything is too 'vague' for my damaged brain to process, it's straightforward for the veterans who've tried rolling in the past. But I don't have a clue. How do I clean the scalp, how do I clean the roller, how do I use the roller on the scalp? I don't have an idea for doing any of it in practice.

 

[mj9]

so vitamin c creme could be usefull after dermaroller treatment?

http://www.google.de/imgres?client=...&ndsp=59&ved=1t:429,r:6,s:0,i:100&tx=41&ty=12

this guy been using minoxidil directly while/after rolling and got some great results too?

Interesting - this guy suggests you should not go deep enough to withdraw blood.... Best result pictures posted so far....

 

[closetmetrosexual]

Haven't been able to do this, don't think I can without very clear instructions, everything is too 'vague' for my damaged brain to process, it's straightforward for the veterans who've tried rolling in the past. But I don't have a clue. How do I clean the scalp, how do I clean the roller, how do I use the roller on the scalp? I don't have an idea for doing any of it in practice.

What I do is this:

1. Wash my scalp with Nizoral - let it sit for 10-15 mins.
2. Rinse scalp thoroughly.
3. Make sure dermaroller is disinfected (I made sure of this after the previous time of rolling)
4. Roll 'till I bleed. (during the whole procedure, I make sure the needles of the roller never touch anything but my scalp or air. Don't set it down on the table etc where it can get dirty)
5. After rolling, I put on a clean bandana.
6. Now I put the roller in a shot glass, filled with a solution of Chloramine-T and distilled water. I let the roller sit in this for 12+ hours.
7. Sleep with the bandana on.
8. When I get up next morning, I rinse my scalp with water only, spray my scalp with ethanol. Then put on a fresh, clean bandana. (I wear this for 2-3 days post rolling)
9. Take the roller out of the Chloramine-T and wash it with water.
10. Wait a few hours, then spray the roller with ethanol.
11. Let the roller sit another hour or so, then put it in its casing.

Wait two weeks, then repeat.

 

[Jacob]

@ganonford do you mean like this?

http://immortalhair.forumandco.com/t9447p45-scalp-peeling-with-20-glycolic-acid-great-results

Would be good to hear from the senior members on this? Could it be a good addition?:unsure:

I hope you're not going by the pictures there. Some of us think those are of IH himself.