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It's due to social class. Within our society, Caucasians are the pinnacle of socioeconomic class, then south asians and east asians, then middle easterners and arabs, and at the bottom you have Blacks (sorry). That's how society is built so that is how we view things via indoctrination.

And even among whites, Swedes look better than Spaniards, and among Blacks, west Africans look better than east Africans. Perceptions of social class influence sexual preference in adulthood.

Class perception may play a role in what many people find attractive however I believe there are various other factors some cultural and some biological that affect it too. Yes Blacks are unfortunately at the bottom of class ladder but at the same time many caucasian women find them really attractive. In fact, I have known white women that exclusively date black men. I believe raw attraction to be a result of an interplay of several factors. I am a brown man and went to a college that was over 99% white and I never felt at a disadvantage when it comes to dating. In fact, I always considered my skin as an advantage as girls found me really exotic and consequently I was able to date some really beautiful women. More so than many of my caucuasian friends. The only thing that actually hindered me sometimes was my atheism. My university is in the Bible belt and vast majority of girls were really religious. Some of them wanted me to convert to Christianity before going out on a date with me.
 

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Would McDonald's be considered saturated fats?

I have not gone through the numbers, and I have not been to McDonalds in years.

I suspect the meat is the least of the problems with a McDonalds big mac trio.
 

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Some of them wanted me to convert to Christianity before going out on a date with me.

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Class perception may play a role in what many people find attractive however I believe there are various other factors some cultural and some biological that affect it too. Yes Blacks are unfortunately at the bottom of class ladder but at the same time many caucasian women find them really attractive. In fact, I have known white women that exclusively date black men. I believe raw attraction to be a result of an interplay of several factors. I am a brown man and went to a college that was over 99% white and I never felt at a disadvantage when it comes to dating. In fact, I always considered my skin as an advantage as girls found me really exotic and consequently I was able to date some really beautiful women. More so than many of my caucuasian friends. The only thing that actually hindered me sometimes was my atheism. My university is in the Bible belt and vast majority of girls were really religious. Some of them wanted me to convert to Christianity before going out on a date with me.

Keep in mind that South Asians are a broad group, and I think as a whole are technically caucasian. Certainly they share the same language group, "Indo-European languages", and I recognize the alphabet sometimes in yoga class.

If you looked like this guy you would not have done well with women:
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What about these guys? They're all south Asian:
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[His skin might be fake?]

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I think the following guy is Afghan, so also south Asian, he looks amazing:
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By the way, saturated fat is no longer considered bad for you. Eat fish, and eat beef too. Eat butter, and coconut oil.

Supposedly it's no longer bad for you... Mediterranean diets help those people live longer though. And really, fat should still be eaten in moderation...it's 9 cals per gram as opposed to 4 for protein and carbs if i remember correctly. I mentioned oily fish as it is a perfect muscle building food...protein with those 'good' fats. Sure, eat steaks or burgers if you want but too much fat (and therefore too much calories is gonna make it harder to get lean). Again, just my view. I know there are fad diet books telling people to go into ketosis etc but what do you think a boxer or mma fighter does to get in shape in a training camp? They aren't eating ice cream I can tell you that much...
 

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Supposedly it's no longer bad for you... Mediterranean diets help those people live longer though. And really, fat should still be eaten in moderation...it's 9 cals per gram as opposed to 4 for protein and carbs if i remember correctly. I mentioned oily fish as it is a perfect muscle building food...protein with those 'good' fats. Sure, eat steaks or burgers if you want but too much fat (and therefore too much calories is gonna make it harder to get lean). Again, just my view. I know there are fad diet books telling people to go into ketosis etc but what do you think a boxer or mma fighter does to get in shape in a training camp? They aren't eating ice cream I can tell you that much...

"Calories per gram" is irrelevant, you don't eat grams, you eat calories. 1 gram of olive oil will in any case be more satisfying than 2.25 grams of sugar.

The problem with ice cream is the sugar, not the saturated fat.

Mediterannean diet is one diet that works well. There are many diets that work well. Iceland has some of the world's highest life expectancy, and they eat a ton of fish and meat.

Here's some food that is low in fat:
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It is advertised as being "fat free" to convince people that it's a healthy snack.

Anyway, fat is no longer considered bad for you, and the evidence against fat was never respectable. We can go into it further in the intermittent fasting thread but I'll leave it at this:

Avoid: tobacco, excess alcohol, added sugars, transfats, low quality meat (corn-fed beef, caged, eggs, hormone milk, etc), low-fat dairy products, possibly polyunsaturated fats.

[I have not looked into the emerging research on polyunsaturated fats and omega-6 fatty acids, some people are saying that those are bad for you, but I have not evaluated the evidence myself yet].
 
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Don't want to start a new thread but was curious. Does hair transplant carry the same stigma as boob jobs?
 

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"Calories per gram" is irrelevant, you don't eat grams, you eat calories. 1 gram of olive oil will in any case be more satisfying than 2.25 grams of sugar.

The problem with ice cream is the sugar, not the saturated fat.

Mediterannean diet is one diet that works well. There are many diets that work well. Iceland has some of the world's highest life expectancy, and they eat a ton of fish and meat.

Here's some food that is low in fat:
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It is advertised as being "fat free" to convince people that it's a healthy snack.

Anyway, fat is no longer considered bad for you, and the evidence against fat was never respectable. We can go into it further in the intermittent fasting thread but I'll leave it at this:

Avoid: tobacco, excess alcohol, added sugars, transfats, low quality meat (corn-fed beef, caged, eggs, hormone milk, etc), low-fat dairy products, possibly polyunsaturated fats.

[I have not looked into the emerging research on polyunsaturated fats and omega-6 fatty acids, some people are saying that those are bad for you, but I have not evaluated the evidence myself yet].

How is the calorie/gram ratio irrelevant? It is what makes a chicken breast a better option than a burger of the same weight if you want to get lean. One has more calories..because it has more fat, despite them being the same size/weight. You definitely do need fat in the diet but too much of it and it's gonna be hard to keep your calories down. All these fad diets are just BS in my opinion...if you want an athleteic body type then you eat how an athlete eats. There aren't many people more athletic than fighters..or gymnasts..or maybe a middle distance track runner... do what they do. They aren't doing the atkins diet or fasting I can assure you. They eat. They train. Simple as that.

I think people overcomplicate it. Without wanting to sound arrogant too, I feel that I know what I'm talking about with this. Tonight I'm considering posting a video on youtube soon which would show me to be not far off world record level for certain calisthenic/weighted lifts. I never realised until I started searching this stuff just how close I am to it.

You're along the right lines with some of those things to avoid... Excess alcohol for sure, tobacco...simple sugars yep... Although sugar can be ok before a hard workout.. Depends what phase of training you are in.
 

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Don't want to start a new thread but was curious. Does hair transplant carry the same stigma as boob jobs?

There is and will remain far more stigma for male cosmetic procedures than female ones. Men are not 'supposed' to feel insecure. I have a female friend who had a boob job along with her sister...it made the local media and the articles all commended them once they explained how it would help their body image and confidence. If a man has a hair transplant then 50% of the public at least will see him as vain.
 

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How is the calorie/gram ratio irrelevant? It is what makes a chiken breast a better option than a burger of the same weight if you want to get lean. One has more calories..because it has more fat, despite them being the same size/weight. You definitely do need fat in the diet but too much of it and it's gonna be hard to keep your calories down. All these fad diets are just BS in my opinion...if you want an athleteic body type then you eat how an athlete eats. There aren't many people more athletic than fighters..or gymnasts..or maybe a middle distance track runner... do what they do. They aren't doing the atkins diet or fasting I can assure you. They eat. They train. Simple as that.

I think people overcomplicate it. Without wanting to sound arrogant too, I feel that I know what I'm talking about with this. Tonight I'm considering posting a video on youtube soon which would show me to be not too far off world record level for certain calisthenic/weighted lifts. I never realised until I started searching this stuff just how close I am too it.

1) Lots of athletes do the Atkins diet, or simply low-carb. That's a moot point. Yes there are athletes doing high carb, and there are athletes doing low carb.

2) The mass of your food is completely irrelevant. You're comparing 1 gram of butter to 1 gram of sugar, but that's nonsense. The butter is more filling and thus you will eat fewer grams of butter, and thus fewer total calories, which is proven by studies.

A chicken breast isn't necessarily better than a burger patty (excluding the bread), in spite of that being the conventional wisdom from twenty years ago. The chicken breast is lower in fat, and will lead to a much sharper insulin spike.

Your body consumes calories, not mass.

3) The ultimate fad diet is the one from the period 1960-2005 that you're promoting: the low-fat diet. It's a diet that has failed countless clinical trials. The fad is dead. But this is the fad diet that has destroyed the most lives.

Congratulations on your progress though. I'm glad it's working out for you.
 

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Don't want to start a new thread but was curious. Does hair transplant carry the same stigma as boob jobs?

See, this is a good question. What do you guys think? I think hair transplant's are looked down upon more than boob jobs, perhaps just because they are poorly understood. Also, because men are not supposed to care about what people think.

My ex was already gorgeous and got a boob job and no one ever questioned her or her motives. I must admit, those things were amazing. it's sad, but seriously the greatest thing I miss about her. Probably because she was an entitled little brat. :/
 

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Personally, I see nothing wrong with either. Do what makes you look and feel better.

But I'd be embarassed to show up at the office with redness on my skull from an hair transplant.

However, I think a woman showing up with a boob job would be fine.

In general boob jobs are a better surgery. They cost half as much, they are more effective at resembling the real thing, and they have a bigger impact on attractiveness.
 

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@jd_uk,

Here is the original piece of evidence that suggests dietary fat is bad for you:
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It plots a crude estimate of # of deaths from heart disease versus a crude estimate of fat calories as percentage of total calories, yielding an incredible correlation. This graph has been heavily debunked in the past several decades and is now considered one of the great examples of pseudoscience, nevertheless it stimulated interest in the 1950s, and 1960s, and 1970s and it led to a world where packaged cookies are advertised as "low-fat", and people eat egg whites without eating egg yolks.

Fifty years later, we know that this graph is BS, and that the evidence against dietary fat was nonsense as well. If there's interest I can elaborate, but I doubt there is, I think people know this already. Factors that went into the above graph include selecting the best data points, incorrectly interpreting the data, and poor collection of data in the first place.

A long post here:
https://rawfoodsos.com/2011/12/22/the-truth-about-ancel-keys-weve-all-got-it-wrong/
 
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