"paying For It" By Chester Brown - Tales From Norwood Cemetery

[CaptainForehead]

What are the best choices to make in your 20's according to you?

What is best for me might not be the best for you.
Where I went wrong -- I did not acquire skills which would boost my social standing or increase my earning potential. I was depressed sure, but to use that as an excuse would be a cop out. I should have been proactively planning and acquiring skills rather than burying my head in the sand and not thinking about the future.

One of my friends once said that he always asks himself "how did I make myself more valuable today?" I should have been like that.

 

[CaptainForehead]

I would be getting some seriously high class hookers to do some filthy sh*t with me.

I am planning to visit escorts. Nothing really filthy, I'd just like to touch their bodies. Experience female touch.
Before that, I am planning to visit some punter forums, research things. I haven't gotten around to it yet.

 

[Exodus2011]

I am planning to visit escorts. Nothing really filthy, I'd just like to touch their bodies. Experience female touch.
Before that, I am planning to visit some punter forums, research things. I haven't gotten around to it yet.

i'd like to call you a white knight for this but god knows this extended period of baldness, basement dwelling, incelness and natural social anxiety has also caused me to have similar extreme thoughts about girls.

i was forced to be around a friend's girlfriend yesterday and it was f*****g bizarre. i almost didn't even think of her as human lol.

 

[Exodus2011]

I agree with this. I'm trying to cultivate my strengths but it's not easy, as there aren't many things I'm naturally good at.

But to do that, you have to in a safe place mentally, I know for a fact that it's impossible when you're depressed.

So you can't really blame yourself about this. When I was at my lowest point because of hair loss, I could forget about developing any skill.

I stopped cultivating myself, I stopped playing the guitar, socializing, dating, all of these were just impossible.

But now that I'm happy with my life, you can be sure that I'm taking advantage of it.

yep. even losing at a video game makes me rage quit when i'm feeling shitty about hair loss. not just rage quit but i feel extremely extremely hopeless and want to just kill myself over and over and over. there's absolutely nothing that compares to not being good enough

and not just stupid attention whoring white girl version where they say they "dont feel good enough" so white knights can come and compliment them. actually HAVING something that makes society think of you as lesser.

 

[CaptainForehead]

So you can't really blame yourself about this. When I was at my lowest point because of hair loss, I could forget about developing any skill.

I stopped cultivating myself, I stopped playing the guitar, socializing, dating, all of these were just impossible.

It is OK to be low for a couple of years, like you were. But then you pulled yourself out of it. And went about ruthlessly improving yourself, from surgeries to learning Dutch. You have my respect.

I was a depressed head-in-sand b**ch for 10 years. I empathize with my younger self, but at the same time I can't say that I couldn't have done much better. I didn't like my life, and I didn't do anything to change it.

 

[samantha3333]

Just use the ignore list if he's bothering you that much.

Didn't know there's this option. Thanks

 

[DoctorHouse]

At your age it is not. But at my age (40) it is small (I don't have a separate retirement account). I lost about 80k in bad investments/overconfidence in shorting in the 2008 period.

I don't really have a life, never had a car, I don't eat out, don't have expensive cell/cable contracts, never dated, don't drink, rented small cheap apartments....all my meager earnings pretty much go into savings.

Wow, CF, you don't treat yourself to something special once in while? You deserve it. What kind of food do you eat? Do you cook alot? Financially you are doing good as you have more saved than two-thirds of the population who are around your age. At least you don't live paycheck to paycheck. Do you own your own house?

 

[Exodus2011]

wait cap you don't have a car? do you use public transportation?

 

[pjhair]

It is OK to be low for a couple of years, like you were. But then you pulled yourself out of it. And went about ruthlessly improving yourself, from surgeries to learning Dutch. You have my respect.

I was a depressed head-in-sand b**ch for 10 years. I empathize with my younger self, but at the same time I can't say that I couldn't have done much better. I didn't like my life, and I didn't do anything to change it.

I got to say Cap, you have self awareness and ability to do critical and objective evaluation of yourself. Not many people have that quality.

 

[Exodus2011]

I got to say Cap, you have self awareness and ability to do critical and objective evaluation of yourself. Not many people have that quality.

he is too harsh on himself but yes overall i agree with you.

 

[CaptainForehead]

Wow, CF, you don't treat yourself to something special once in while? You deserve it.

Escorts will be that "something special once in while".
Other than that, I buy dvds/books, sometimes clothes, but I keep it under control.

What kind of food do you eat? Do you cook alot?

Yeah, I cook. Simple stuff. Veggies. Baked chicken breast. Once in two weeks frozen pizza.
Also junk food -- cookies, ice cream, chips.
I do not have any other assets. No house. No upcoming inheritance.

Financially you are doing good as you have more saved than two-thirds of the population who are around your age. At least you don't live paycheck to paycheck. Do you own your own house?

Two-thirds of the population are idiots. Actually more like 85% of the population.
I think to claim being financially well off, I'd need to be in the top 5%.
I look to the Freds, Zircons, Shooks, Wolfpacks, Davids. Not to the 85% sheep.

wait cap you don't have a car? do you use public transportation?

Never had a car. Always public transportation. Currently I'm walking distance to work.

 

[jd_uk]

If you insist on being a crackpot on this rudimentary point there is no point in discussing the issue with your further. I will give you one last chance to understand the issue.

According to you, if someone on a high-carb diet needs 2000 calories a day, they'll need ~4,000 calories a day on a high-fat diet, because fat is less satisfying per calorie since you think the intestine magically responds to grams. Do you actually believe that people doing low-carb consume twice as many calories? How do you think people on the low-carb diet lose more weight and get better blood parameters (inflammation, fasting insulin, etc) than people on the Mediterannean diet?

Hint: it's not by eating 4,000 calories a day, as you think they are. It's because they eat fewer calories and are satisfied with those.

Those figures are from a 2008 study in the New England Journal of Medicine, it is available here:
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa0708681#t=abstract


Be careful of who you are speaking to: I am vastly more educated on this subject than you are.

What ARE you on about? When have I ever said the following?

"According to you, if someone on a high-carb diet needs 2000 calories a day, they'll need ~4,000 calories a day on a high-fat diet, because fat is less satisfying per calorie since you think the intestine magically responds to grams."

As you know, I haven't said that and I haven't even inferred it. I've simply stated that by eating fatty foods it will be harder to keep calories down (the most important stat in controlling bodyweight) due to the fact that one gram of fat contains over twice as much energy as proteins or carbohydrates. Your argument seems to suggest that the body has some mechanism by which it can quickly deduce how many calories have been eaten. Here, do some reading on how the body receives the signal that it is full:

http://www.livestrong.com/article/489875-how-does-your-stomach-tell-your-brain-that-youre-full/

Ok, I'll save you the time (not that this article is long)... the stomach responds to being stretched and the brain takes some time to get the signal to stop eating. It is why dietitians suggest that people eat slowly to stop them overeating. Binge on something high in fat and you can very quickly eat a high % of your daily calorie intake. I've seen it all too many times. Just like the uni mate I mentioned; Eating fatty steak regularly, worrying about ketosis and then eventually giving up because he was tired all the time, not enjoying his diet and not really losing too much weight. He's actually bigger now years later than he was then yet now he moves on to the latest intermittent fasting fad because it 'fits his lifestyle better' to skip breakfast and eat his big meals in the evening with his corporate friends (he works in finance). He cuts corners on his diet preparaion and can't exercise as efficiently because his body doesn't have regular nourishment. It's all BS, designed to make money in the form of fad diet books and targeted at lazy people who want something simple to follow.

I do wonder why you STILL haven't commented on the link which I posted many pages ago now.

Also, lol @ your 'be careful who you speak to about this'. What i wrote was not a platitude, plain and simple. Let's quote examples of platitudes here;

"it is what it is", "meet in the middle", "busy as a bee", "method to my madness", "better late than never", "just be yourself", "burning the midnight oil" "nobody's perfect".

Note: Platitudes are generally a form of thought terminating cliche' "

I firmly believe that if someone does not enjoy a lifestyle, particularly something as specific and hard as working out which requires constant motivation, then they will eventually give it up. I continued to post my reasons and gave examples. No 'platitude' there. For the record, I am also pretty educated but it's not something that I tend to shout about too much. Don't let my grammar fool you as I write most of this stuff quickly on my phone but I have a couple of degrees, I have a fairly high IQ if those cr*ppy tests are anything to go by and I can't ever in my life recall feeling intimidated debating something with someone that I felt I knew a bit about. If I speak strongly about something then it is usually based on good experience and in the case of diet and fitness I definitely have a whole lot of experience.

Look, we got on to this topic because I suggested you a more athletic body was achievable by ..... following the lifestyle of an athlete. You decided to take objection to what I wrote and argued that my diet suggestions weren't the most effective way of achieving this body type. Now, take a look at this web site. Genuinely - read it. These are some simple, sample diet plans for different athletes/sportsmen and women to follow. Tell me, how many of these recommend high fat, low carb diets?

As is the case with the original link that I posted which you refused to comment on, very few athletes will be recommended to fast or to eat low carbohydrates unless they suddenly need to cut weight drastically for a specific reason. I think you know this really but for whatever reason are so sold on the idea of these latest fads that you don't want to let go of them. It is going to be very difficult to work out optimally when fasting or when your body is not getting carbohydrates. And to reiterate (because you KEEP mentioning low fat diets), I have not preached a 'low fat' diet. I have suggested a balanced diet which contains mostly good, low GI carbohydrates, quite high protein (for strength building and recovery) and some fats. What you seem to be so hung up on is that I have stated that fatty foods should be present but should also be controlled because they do contain more calories and that means more energy to burn off. You quote studies about high fat, low carb diets but those diets are simply not efficient as an athlete...carbohydrates are important to train effectively!

I can only reiterate what I said previously, I think that by implementing your beliefs about nutrition/fitness then you will be selling yourself short. If it's what you want to do then fine, go ahead, but I have personally had great success eating and training in the way that pretty much any other athletes I know eat and train and I've known many over the years.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

What ARE you on about? When have I ever said the following?

"According to you, if someone on a high-carb diet needs 2000 calories a day, they'll need ~4,000 calories a day on a high-fat diet, because fat is less satisfying per calorie since you think the intestine magically responds to grams."

As you know, I haven't said that and I haven't even inferred it. I've simply stated that by eating fatty foods it will be harder to keep calories down (the most important stat in controlling bodyweight) due to the fact that one gram of fat contains over twice as much energy as proteins or carbohydrates. Your argument seems to suggest that the body has some mechanism by which it can quickly deduce how many calories have been eaten. Here, do some reading on how the body receives the signal that it is full:

http://www.livestrong.com/article/489875-how-does-your-stomach-tell-your-brain-that-youre-full/

Ok, I'll save you the time (not that this article is long)... the stomach responds to being stretched and the brain takes some time to get the signal to stop eating. It is why dietitians suggest that people eat slowly to stop them overeating. Binge on something high in fat and you can very quickly eat a high % of your daily calorie intake. I've seen it all too many times. Just like the uni mate I mentioned; Eating fatty steak regularly, worrying about ketosis and then eventually giving up because he was tired all the time, not enjoying his diet and not really losing too much weight. He's actually bigger now years later than he was then yet now he moves on to the latest intermittent fasting fad because it 'fits his lifestyle better' to skip breakfast and eat his big meals in the evening with his corporate friends (he works in finance). He cuts corners on his diet preparaion and can't exercise as efficiently because his body doesn't have regular nourishment. It's all BS, designed to make money in the form of fad diet books and targeted at lazy people who want something simple to follow.

I do wonder why you STILL haven't commented on the link which I posted many pages ago now.

Also, lol @ your 'be careful who you speak to about this'. What i wrote was not a platitude, plain and simple. Let's quote examples of platitudes here;

"it is what it is", "meet in the middle", "busy as a bee", "method to my madness", "better late than never", "just be yourself", "burning the midnight oil" "nobody's perfect".

Note: Platitudes are generally a form of thought terminating cliche' "

I firmly believe that if someone does not enjoy a lifestyle, particularly something as specific and hard as working out which requires constant motivation, then they will eventually give it up. I continued to post my reasons and gave examples. No 'platitude' there. For the record, I am also pretty educated but it's not something that I tend to shout about too much. Don't let my grammar fool you as I write most of this stuff quickly on my phone but I have a couple of degrees, I have a fairly high IQ if those cr*ppy tests are anything to go by and I can't ever in my life recall feeling intimidated debating something with someone that I felt I knew a bit. If I speak strongly about something then it is usually based on good experience and in the case of diet and fitness I definitely have a whole lot of experience.

Look, we got on to this topic because I suggested you a more athletic body was achievable by ..... following the lifestyle of an athlete. You decided to take objection to what I wrote and argued that my diet suggestions weren't the most effective way of achieving this body type. Now, take a look at this web site. Genuinely - read it. These are some simple, sample diet plans for different athletes/sportsmen and women to follow. Tell me, how many of these recommend high fat, low carb diets?

As is the case with the original link that I posted which you refused to comment on, very few athletes will be recommended to fast or to eat low carbohydrates unless they suddenly need to cut weight drastically for a specific reason. I think you know this really but for whatever reason are so sold on the idea of these latest fads that you don't want to let go of them. It is going to be very difficult to work out optimally when fasting or when your body is not getting carbohydrates. And to reiterate (because you KEEP mentioning low fat diets), I have not preached a 'low fat' diet. I have suggested a balanced diet which contains mostly good, low GI carbohydrates, quite high protein (for strength building and recovery) and some fats. What you seem to be so hung up on is that I have stated that fatty foods should be present but should also be controlled because they do contain more calories and that means more energy to burn off. You quote studies about high fat, low carb diets but those diets are simply not efficient as an athlete...carbohydrates are important to train effectively!

I can only reiterate what I said previously, I think that by implementing your beliefs about nutrition/fitness then you will be selling yourself short. If it's what you want to do then fine, go ahead, but I have personally had great success eating and training in the way that pretty much any other athletes I know eat and train and I've known many over the years.

You link to ... "livestrong.com", a crackpot website. Here's another article from livestrong.com:
http://www.livestrong.com/article/180908-how-to-stop-hair-loss-and-regrow-hair-naturally/
How to Stop Hair Loss and Regrow Hair Naturally
It advocates scalp mssages, getting 15% of one's calories from proteins, avoiding ponytails, eating lean meats, and drinking green tea to stop hair loss.

No -- I will not read nor ponder anything from livestrong.com. It is a garbage, crackpot website that traffics in false hope. You should be ashamed of yourself for enthusiastically linking to them.

I am only interested in discussing rigorous sources ... certainly not the following:
http://www.mealplansite.com/nutrition/
Apparently, if you specialise in arm wrestling, you should have skim milk with your breakfast. I couldn't make up that nonsense. I am laughing in real life. Somebody actually built a web page and thought about the ideal diet for an arm wrestler, considered the pros and cons, and concluded "breakfast should include skim milk".

For bodybuilders, they suggest 4 scoops (yes, 4 scoops) of protein powder a day, and this comes in a package of eating ten (yes, TEN) meals a day:
http://www.mealplansite.com/sports/bodybuilding-new-gain.aspx
They have no credibility. It basically reads like a parody of early 2000s-era broscience, there's nothing for me to learn from them as I "knew" all of these outdated beliefs before. The idea that people need to eat 200 grams a day of protein is something that's been refuted for many years now:
http://bayesianbodybuilding.com/the-myth-of-1glb-optimal-protein-intake-for-bodybuilders/
It probably comes from manufacturer studies funded by the companies selling protein supplements. A proper literature review shows that there's no evidence to going over ~0.82 grams of protein per day per pound of lean body weight, and in fact you can probably get optimal results by going lower.

Another way in which mealplansite.com is outdated is that it exclusively talks about the glycemic index, without mentioning the insulinogenic index. To me that demonstrates that they have not kept track of recent scientific developments. Both the glycemic and insulinogenic index are important.

mealplansite.com advocates low-fat dairy products, specialized diets for arm wrestlers, taking 4 scoops of whey protein per day in addition to other proteins, and eating 10 meals a day. In conclusion, mealplansite.com is garbage.

I can only reiterate what I said previously, I think that by implementing your beliefs about nutrition/fitness then you will be selling yourself short.

There's no science in your beliefs though so it's irrelevant. You're linking to sources like mealplansite.com and livestrong.com. Try and listen to experts: well-read doctors with success in the area, the national academy of nutritionists, people who do clinical trials, or at least people who read the studies themselves. Read the original sources yourself.

IHe's actually bigger now years later than he was then yet now he moves on to the latest intermittent fasting fad because it 'fits his lifestyle better' to skip breakfast and eat his big meals in the evening with his corporate friends (he works in finance).

1) You don't get to argue against fad diets since you yourself are advocating for a fad diet. You're linking to a site that advocates having 4 scoops of protein powder a day, and consuming low-fat dairy products. Those are fads, and they have not held up to scrutiny.

2) The argument for intermittent fasting is largely that its success is proven by clinical studies. Here's a clinical study of alternate-day fasting:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2941474/
Dietary and physical activity adaptations to alternate day modified fasting: implications for optimal weight loss
Monica C Klempel,1 Surabhi Bhutani,1 Marian Fitzgibbon,2 Sally Freels,3 and Krista A Varady1

Note: This isn't garbage from livestrong.com. It's an original source, an actual study involving real-world patients that sample the general population in a controlled manner rather than elite athletes. The results were clear: better blood parameters, lower body fat, and maintained lean body mass. These are objective parameters, it's got nothing to do with subjective interpretations of attitude. They actually took samples of blood from the subjects and measured parameters.

**********

What works for George St-Pierre is not going to work for you. Getting nutrition advice from people like GSP or Michael Phelps is equivalent to getting dating advice from Chris Hemsworth.

 

[DoctorHouse]

What happened to poor Chester Brown?

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

What happened to poor Chester Brown?

I'm stepping out to have my first meal of the day at around 1030am here, so I'll stop derailing the thread

 

[Dench57]

I'm stepping out to have my first meal of the day at around 1030am here, so I'll stop derailing the thread

A breakfast of champions I hope

 

[jd_uk]

You link to ... "livestrong.com", a crackpot website. Here's another article from livestrong.com:
http://www.livestrong.com/article/180908-how-to-stop-hair-loss-and-regrow-hair-naturally/
How to Stop Hair Loss and Regrow Hair Naturally
It advocates scalp mssages, getting 15% of one's calories from proteins, avoiding ponytails, eating lean meats, and drinking green tea to stop hair loss.

No -- I will not read nor ponder anything from livestrong.com. It is a garbage, crackpot website that traffics in false hope. You should be ashamed of yourself for enthusiastically linking to them.

I am only interested in discussing rigorous sources ... certainly not the following:
http://www.mealplansite.com/nutrition/
Apparently, if you specialise in arm wrestling, you should have skim milk with your breakfast. I couldn't make up that nonsense. I am laughing in real life. Somebody actually built a web page and thought about the ideal diet for an arm wrestler, considered the pros and cons, and concluded "breakfast should include skim milk".

For bodybuilders, they suggest 4 scoops (yes, 4 scoops) of protein powder a day.
http://www.mealplansite.com/sports/bodybuilding-new-gain.aspx
They have no credibility. It basically reads like a parody of early 2000s-era broscience, there's nothing for me to learn from them as I "knew" all of these outdated beliefs before. The idea that people need to eat 200 grams a day of protein is something that's been refuted for many years now:
http://bayesianbodybuilding.com/the-myth-of-1glb-optimal-protein-intake-for-bodybuilders/
It probably comes from manufacturer studies funded by the companies selling protein supplements. A proper literature shows that there's no evidence to going over ~0.82 grams of protein per day per pound of lean body weight, and in fact you can probably get optimal results by going lower.

Another way in which mealplansite.com is outdated is that it exclusively talks about the glycemic index, without mentioning the insulinogenic index. To me that demonstrates that they have not kept track of recent scientific developments. Both the glycemic and insulinogenic index are important.

mealplansite.com is garbage.


There's no science in your beliefs though so it's irrelevant. You're linking to sources like mealplansite.com and livestrong.com. Try and listen to experts: well-read doctors with success in the area, the national academy of nutritionists, people who do clinical trials, or at least people who read the studies themselves. Read the original sources yourself.



1) You don't get to argue against fad diets since you yourself are advocating for a fad diet. You're linking to a site that advocates having 4 scoops of protein powder a day, and consuming low-fat dairy products. Those are fads, and they have not held up to scrutiny.

2) The argument for intermittent fasting is largely that its success is proven by clinical studies. Here's a clinical study of alternate-day fasting:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2941474/
Dietary and physical activity adaptations to alternate day modified fasting: implications for optimal weight loss
Monica C Klempel,1 Surabhi Bhutani,1 Marian Fitzgibbon,2 Sally Freels,3 and Krista A Varady1

Note: This isn't garbage from livestrong.com. It's an original source, an actual study involving real-world patients that sample the general population in a controlled manner rather than elite athletes. The results were clear: better blood parameters, lower body fat, and maintained lean body mass. These are objective parameters, it's got nothing to do with subjective interpretations of attitude.

**********

What works for George St-Pierre is not going to work for you. Getting nutrition advice from people like GSP or Michael Phelps is equivalent to getting dating advice from Chris Hemsworth.

Ok David, you're being deliberately dismissive. I'm posting links which I find very quickly on Google for your benefit based on what I already know is true. If you want to believe that most athletes are eating low carb or using intermittent fasting then fine, knock yourself out. I'm telling you that I know they aren't. I have the experience to know that. If you do your own research then you will find the same. I think the reality is that you know it is going to be far more difficult to train to the same intensity while cutting out carbohydrates or fasting but you're being deliberately argumentative on this because you've invested so much time in reading about or advocating these diets.

What works for GSP is not going to work for me? I follow a similar type of diet plan...although I am obviously not as strict as him because I do not have the luxury of a personal chef but it HAS worked very well for me for many years. As stated, I only recently found out that strength to body weight ratio wise I'm actually not far off world record standard in certain calisthenic/weighted movements. It's something which I did regularly throughout the years as my own personal training until I learnt that calisthenics had become quite a big thing around the world. No way in hell would I have gained that type of strength from cutting out carbohydrates. I get dizzy if I train at a high intensity without eating properly beforehand and my performance definitely suffers. I'm muscular and I have a low body fat yet I am no bodybuilder. I have trained alongside MMA fighters (one will fight on TV in the UK soon), I grew up boxing, I've played various sports, some at a good level and belonged to more gyms than I can count. I have good experience in what works and what doesn't and was originally only offering you some tips on how to become more athletic after complimenting you. You took objection to my advice because you cling to some studies that you have read. In my experience it is possible to find completely conflicting studies and to have experts who completely disagree with each other. Case in point, myself; after tearing some cartilage in my knee, one high profile surgeon told me that I would never play sport again, he cited a load of studies showing how articular cartilage can't repair itself and that my knee was doomed because of the noises coming from it. After weeks of depression I went to get 2nd and 3rd opinions...turns out this guy was talking cr*p and other surgeons had other beliefs and cited real life experience about professional sportsmen whose knee's were in far worse shape than mine but were still very successful. My knee was fine after all and has been for years. Random studies are one thing, real life experience is another. You simply won't find many athletes fasting or eating low carb...I'm sorry but if you believe otherwise then you are quite wrong and there is good reason for it that not many of them will eat in this way.

I'm apparently limited by what references I can now post because you won't accept them if they are not written by scientists but unfortunately it isn't scientists who will be writing about the diet plans of specific athletes. Here's some dietary guidance for athletes though from the American college of sports medicine, maybe it will help you more than anything I can say will; http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19225360

"Energy and macronutrient needs, especially carbohydrate and protein, must be met during times of high physical activity to maintain body weight, replenish glycogen stores, and provide adequate protein to build and repair tissue. Fat intake should be sufficient to provide the essential fatty acids and fat-soluble vitamins and to contribute energy for weight maintenance."

No question there about their stance on the importance of carbohydrates if you want to be athletic and basically everything which I have said to you in this thread to which you objected.

 

[shookwun]

For most people, the post-secondary education system is a waste.

Anything that's not math or science based

In other words.

 

[blackg]

I'm sure the David versus jdUK battle will continue.

P.S. Hope it's warming up in Canberra, David.

I'm in Sydney for the US college football game (Cal bears V Hawaii).
It's beautiful up here!

 

[Exodus2011]

Ok David, you're being deliberately dismissive. I'm posting links which I find very quickly on Google for your benefit based on what I already know is true. If you want to believe that most athletes are eating low carb or using intermittent fasting then fine, knock yourself out. I'm telling you that I know they aren't. I have the experience to know that. If you do your own research then you will find the same. I think the reality is that you know it is going to be far more difficult to train to the same intensity while cutting out carbohydrates or fasting but you're being deliberately argumentative on this because you've invested so much time in reading about or advocating these diets.

What works for GSP is not going to work for me? I follow a similar type of diet plan...although I am obviously not as strict as him because I do not have the luxury of a personal chef but it HAS worked very well for me for many years. As stated, I only recently found out that strength to body weight ratio wise I'm actually not far off world record standard in certain calisthenic/weighted movements. It's something which I did regularly throughout the years as my own personal training until I learnt that calisthenics had become quite a big thing around the world. No way in hell would I have gained that type of strength from cutting out carbohydrates. I get dizzy if I train at a high intensity without eating properly beforehand and my performance definitely suffers. I'm muscular and I have a low body fat yet I am no bodybuilder. I have trained alongside MMA fighters (one will fight on TV in the UK soon), I grew up boxing, I've played various sports, some at a good level and belonged to more gyms than I can count. I have good experience in what works and what doesn't and was originally only offering you some tips on how to become more athletic after complimenting you. You took objection to my advice because you cling to some studies that you have read. In my experience it is possible to find completely conflicting studies and to have experts who completely disagree with each other. Case in point, myself; after tearing some cartilage in my knee, one high profile surgeon told me that I would never play sport again, he cited a load of studies showing how articular cartilage can't repair itself and that my knee was doomed because of the noises coming from it. After weeks of depression I went to get 2nd and 3rd opinions...turns out this guy was talking cr*p and other surgeons had other beliefs and cited real life experience about professional sportsmen whose knee's were in far worse shape than mine but were still very successful. My knee was fine after all and has been for years. Random studies are one thing, real life experience is another. You simply won't find many athletes fasting or eating low carb...I'm sorry but if you believe otherwise then you are quite wrong and there is good reason for it that not many of them will eat in this way.

I'm apparently limited by what references I can now post because you won't accept them if they are not written by scientists but unfortunately it isn't scientists who will be writing about the diet plans of specific athletes. Here's some dietary guidance for athletes though from the American college of sports medicine, maybe it will help you more than anything I can say will; http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19225360

"Energy and macronutrient needs, especially carbohydrate and protein, must be met during times of high physical activity to maintain body weight, replenish glycogen stores, and provide adequate protein to build and repair tissue. Fat intake should be sufficient to provide the essential fatty acids and fat-soluble vitamins and to contribute energy for weight maintenance."

No question there about their stance on the importance of carbohydrates if you want to be athletic and basically everything which I have said to you in this thread to which you objected.

hundreds to thousands of examples in objective studies is far more reliable than a handful of biased subective experiences

lol. "i have muscle so i know more about muscle than a physiologist". ok how about "i am bald so i know more about baldness than a dermatologist"