I'm not saying it'll definitely come out, but do you realize how expensive it is to bring a new drug to market, let alone several (they have many drugs in clinical trials)? Sure there will be delays, but they're not going to potentially spend another 100s of millions until everything is set. Considering their website and fact that they've already begun marketing, I think they're confident it'll get released. The question is when.
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I'm not saying it'll definitely come out, but do you realize how expensive it is to bring a new drug to market, let alone several (they have many drugs in clinical trials)? Sure there will be delays, but they're not going to potentially spend another 100s of millions until everything is set. Considering their website and fact that they've already begun marketing, I think they're confident it'll get released. The question is when.
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They can't. Because they themselves don't even know that. Most likely because they have no actual product. In the video game/computing community, they call stuff like this "vaporware". Meaning a product that is hyped up for years but never actually released. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
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I don't think this will be a cure either, but for many this and a FUE transplant could be enough of a band aid until something with tsuji comes out. Just out of curiosity why don't you guys think this will grow enough hair on slick bald areas, but only areas with existing hair? I guess my question is they've proven their method with minoxidil will grow 19 new hairs/square cm, but what if FGF9 is part of the stimulate? Could that number jump to maybe 30+? If it does, and this method is repeated 3 times you could have a nice NW1 head of hair by getting an FUE transplant to build your hairline if you're a NW3. Personally I don't think there is any doubt this will come to the market, but the timing will be based on how quickly they can get this 3rd pivotal trial started. They've organized their infrastructure by talking with derms, and other doctors to be part of their mass release, they have a device, they are just trying to, I assume get their regrowth chemical passed through the FDA. Again that makes me think that they've taken all this time because they are pushing something like FGF9 into their topical, and that's why it has taken them so long to release this.
Do you have a link, please?
I don't get where people get the idea that you can get past 25 terminal hairs/cm2 by "repeating" the treatment. When repeating is mentioned, they mean repeating the cycle of pertubation/compound application cycle until you reach 25 terminal hairs. If you could get 100 terminal hairs/cm2 by repeated application follica would be marketing as that.
Follica wont have FGF9 in it, for three reasons:
1) Follica have already have said that the compound is already FDA approved and for hair loss that leaves just minoxidil and finasteride.
2) In this link https://www.nature.com/scibx/journal/v6/n24/full/scibx.2013.590.html mentions that FGF9 is broken down by human skin if applied topically.
3) Follica have already tried in 2013 a phase IIa trial and did n't reach the results they expected, which is probably why they ended up getting Dr Dhurat (of the Indian microneedling/minoxidil study) as a consultant and going the minoxidil route.
Additionally note that Follica themselves have admited that their current pertubation device does cause some scar tissue to form that they are trying to minimize.
Follica wont have FGF9 in it, for three reasons:
1) Follica have already have said that the compound is already FDA approved and for hair loss that leaves just minoxidil and finasteride.
2) In this link https://www.nature.com/scibx/journal/v6/n24/full/scibx.2013.590.html mentions that FGF9 is broken down by human skin if applied topically.
3) Follica have already tried in 2013 a phase IIa trial and did n't reach the results they expected, which is probably why they ended up getting Dr Dhurat (of the Indian microneedling/minoxidil study) as a consultant and going the minoxidil route.
Additionally note that Follica themselves have admited that their current pertubation device does cause some scar tissue to form that they are trying to minimize.
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Just look at Noisette thread
I just read 5 full treads and found nothing. Can anyone give me an excerpt that explains why Follica will not be effective on people with DUPA (all scalp affected by extreme miniaturization for becoming -----> Totally bald / Egghead). Please?
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In regards to how cautiously optimistic one should be, it is worth noting that although
Follica is extremely important to us, when Puretech's pipeline is reorganized in a descending
order of market potential, RAIN sits next to the botttom at 5 Billion; 20 billion below Gelesis.
One hardly gets the impression that Follica is a priority for Puretech.
That's not alphabetical. I think they're sorting it by order-of-importance.
And in the latest presentation, Follica isn't even mentioned by name:
And then there is the website promoting Follica by showing a man that hasn't motivation enough
to correctly follow the plan for more than two days in a row. 62% What a tragic comedy!
But I'll keep my hope—we can't be stuck in a five year hell forever.
Follica is extremely important to us, when Puretech's pipeline is reorganized in a descending
order of market potential, RAIN sits next to the botttom at 5 Billion; 20 billion below Gelesis.
One hardly gets the impression that Follica is a priority for Puretech.
That's not alphabetical. I think they're sorting it by order-of-importance.
And in the latest presentation, Follica isn't even mentioned by name:
And then there is the website promoting Follica by showing a man that hasn't motivation enough
to correctly follow the plan for more than two days in a row. 62% What a tragic comedy!
But I'll keep my hope—we can't be stuck in a five year hell forever.
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They say this in http://puretechhealth.com/our-pipeline/wound-induced-neogenesis-rain:
Our regenerative biology program is currently progressing into a pre-pivotal pilot optimization study expected to start in early 2018, with a pivotal trial expected to begin in the first half of 2018. They are close.
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In the links noisette posted the 19 hairs/square cm were measured 6 months after treatment, so by repeating I guess I'm saying if the results are stackable that's great. It's also mentioned the treatment can be repeated, so that's why there's hope for the results to be stackable. Guess we'll see...
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Shut the fcuk up u fuckin pussy f***** u dont evn no nhl11 u lil b**ch n now ur one of his homeboys ur the one who sucks bro SMH
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100% that motherfucker is a fullhead.
Despite what all the NW5, overweight man children (who insist they'd be slaying 18-year-old hot chicks if not for their hairloss) would have us all believe, the reality is that most balding dudes don't give a sh*t.
Anyway, a realistic expectation is that it will provide superior results to good minoxidil responders and at least as good as dhurat, but most people will undoubtedly require multiple sessions to gain the desired coverage. There is no reason it shouldn't be possible to recover ostensibly a fullhead of hair that way as successful users like Somebody show it's possible, the Dhurat study of course, and others.
Everyone who says it's not possible just says "in my opinion", "I doubt" or "I think" but never provides any reasoning supported by facts so their opinion is worth f*** all.
They only have to do a pivotal trial now on the in-office device and is but months away. If my response to current treatments (Follica is apparently 3 - 5x better results than conventional treatments) and existing studies is anything to expect, I'd wager I'd be back to fullhead on just one pass since I don't need too much and this will be preferable to a transplant. Late 2018 or 2019 seems like a safe bet.
I'll see you b****s then.
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The fact that he invalidates people's opinions based on their Norwood level ("NW5" as an insult, ffs) tells you all you need to know. He is (likely) going to be in for such a rude awakening.
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It's because he's a NW1.5 at max, being so close to fullheads makes you talk like them
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Full Nordwood regrowth ? Q3 2020 ? Sources pls
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My bad, i misinterpreted the Full Norwood's worth of regrowth.In my head it was like NW3 back to NW2 with a full density in this -1 (like the temples), but yeah that will not be the case with 25 terminal hairs/cm sparsed in all scalp
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