Realistic Expectation From Follica's Treatment

[BaldyBalderBald]

Just so you know, these results of regrowth after 6 months is higher than what finasteride and min can regrow. Sad, but it is da truth.

I'm of opinion that antiandrogen is absolutely needed fot hf quality.

Antiandrogens are just a bandage on a hemorrhage, so what ? Follica has better results ? Good, but still not enough according to their numbers
10 years of research and trials, and you're assuming this is just a 6 months result, think again.Being persuaded that it can grow back a full density is pretty presumptuous

 

[NimuDash]

Antiandrogens are just a bandage on a hemorrhage, so what ? Follica has better results ? Good, but still not enough according to their numbers
10 years of research and trials, and you're assuming this is just a 6 months result, think again.Being persuaded that it can grow back a full density is pretty presumptuous

Anyways, stay tuned baldy, because hellouser may or may not bring all the answers you need, just wait a bit longer.
It's pretty suspicious and hopeful at the same time that up to this day they don't answer the question of repeated treatment. The main question that is f*****g ALL OF OUR BRAINS.
But yeah, if it is not repeatable you can solo dermaroll to your heart's content, that may be even more effective combined with antiandrogens.
Dhurat study with Minoxidil is 8 months long, then it stops, not because it cannot be repeated, but because she stopped further research: however, issues regarding Microneedling viz; different sizes of needles of the dermaroller, frequency, duration and end point of the procedure are yet to be answered.

 

[BaldyBalderBald]

Anyways, stay tuned baldy, because hellouser may or may not bring all the answers you need, just wait a bit longer.
It's pretty suspicious and hopeful at the same time that up to this day they don't answer the question of repeated treatment. The main question that is f*****g ALL OF OUR BRAINS.
But yeah, if it is not repeatable you can solo dermaroll to your heart's content, that may be even more effective combined with antiandrogens.
Dhurat study with Minoxidil is 8 months long, then it stops, not because it cannot be repeated, but because she stopped further research: however, issues regarding Microneedling viz; different sizes of needles of the dermaroller, frequency, duration and end point of the procedure are yet to be answered.

I don't dermaroll nor use minoxidil, only finasteride tranny drug for 13 years, heard cure is out in 5 years since 2002, you can understand now why i'm suspicious about the terms 'cure' and 'back to full-head'

 

[JimmyB]

10 years of trials = 6 months results
Lol, works best in young patients, i got to admit, that's a good one, Brotzu said the same, typical excuses for shaddy products

Most treatments that require healing/regrowth work better in young patients as they're typically healthier, have more growth hormones, etc.

 

[BaldyBalderBald]

Most treatments that require healing/regrowth work better in young patients as they're typically healthier, have more growth hormones, etc.

That's why is ridiculous to mention it when a treatment comes out, it works for everything, transit, exercices, sex, cognitive functions, eyesight, hearing...everything works better when you're young
A doctor mentioning this to justify his results is baffling and weird

 

[coolio]

The percentage of vellus hairs on a non balding scalp should be close to 0%, Follica is producing 75% so it is not steering the skin itself to normal terminal density/coverage at all. There is no evidence or even suggestion that continued application will reduce that percentage towards zero, in fact simple maths says it cant.

Follica is the new Brotzu when it comes to blind faith in a treatment.

Must follicles remain either/or? Why couldn't some of the new follicles go from vellus to terminal during a subsequent round of Follica's treatment? That would be reversing the process we see during the balding process itself.

We just don't know much. That is no reason to assume best. But it's also no reason to assume the worst.

Anyways, stay tuned baldy, because hellouser may or may not bring all the answers you need, just wait a bit longer.
It's pretty suspicious and hopeful at the same time that up to this day they don't answer the question of repeated treatment. The main question that is f*****g ALL OF OUR BRAINS.

We need to avoid thinking with our emotions and just look at it from their POV. The company has never spoken much about anything in public that they didn't have to. They don't have to speak about this now. They have nothing to gain from answering the question at the moment and it could possibly put them on the hook for something if they overstate what it can do.

Follica has been privately funded all this time. They do not make any more dollars off the baldness community's greater excitement in the years before their stuff is released. This is frustrating right now but it is entirely consistent with their behavior for the last decade plus.

 

[Jonnyyy]

Would anyone really go through the FDA with a shitty product that can get at best get19CM^2 density without them being able to repeat? Walk around looking worse than when the first hair transplants were out.

 

[BaldyBalderBald]

Would anyone really go through the FDA with a shitty product that can get at best get19CM^2 density without them being able to repeat? Walk around looking worse than when the first hair transplants were out.

Finasteride and Minoxidil did, and they are making a lot of money

 

[Jonnyyy]

Finasteride and Minoxidil did, and they are making a lot of money

Exactly

 

[coolio]

Rogaine and Propecia are both considered commercial failures.

They probably would not bother trialing something that doesn't make an improvement over the existing stuff.

Glaxo didn't even bother doing trials on Dutasteride for male pattern baldness even though it does offer some improvement. They didn't see enough improvement / projected sales to bother with the trialing costs. And with the drug already approved for prostate treatment, they already had phase #1 of the trials done.

It IS smart to assume that Follica 's upcoming product can do better than minoxidil & finasteride.

 

[BaldyBalderBald]

Rogaine and Propecia are both considered commercial failures.

They probably would not bother trialing something that doesn't make an improvement over the existing stuff.

Glaxo didn't even bother doing trials on Dutasteride for male pattern baldness even though it does offer some improvement. They didn't see enough improvement / projected sales to bother with the trialing costs. And with the drug already approved for prostate treatment, they already had phase #1 of the trials done.

It IS smart to assume that Follica 's upcoming product can do better than minoxidil & finasteride.

Of course it will do better, nobody said the opposite, also considering the fact that Dr.Cots himself mentioned in his interview that finasteride will most likely have to be continued even with Follica

 

[vernon]

Right, exactly like Brotzu, except that it has over a decade of FDA trials, data, and patents, a three-hundred-million-dollar parent company, led by the preeminent dermatological researcher from one of the world's finest universities, etc. But other than that, just like Brotzu - all blind faith.

yet the same number of products

 

[mr_robot]

Right, exactly like Brotzu, except that it has over a decade of FDA trials, data, and patents, a three-hundred-million-dollar parent company, led by the preeminent dermatological researcher from one of the world's finest universities, etc. But other than that, just like Brotzu - all blind faith.

Yet in those ten years they've published nothing and released nothing, there is no data and their trial produced nothing. Read the Puretech report, the only studies they refer to is the Indian minoxidil+microneedling study, hell even the pictures are from the Indian study. If that's the best a three-hundred-million company can do the only type of faith I would have in follica is most certainly of the blind type.

 

[thomps1523]

Yet in those ten years they've published nothing and released nothing, there is no data and their trial produced nothing. Read the Puretech report, the only studies they refer to is the Indian minoxidil+microneedling study, hell even the pictures are from the Indian study. If that's the best a three-hundred-million company can do the only type of faith I would have in follica is most certainly of the blind type.

I mean it is silly to think they produced nothing in their trials, but continued onward with the costly goal of becoming FDA approved despite their lack of success...

 

[BaldyBalderBald]

I mean it is silly to think they produced nothing in their trials, but continued onward with the costly goal of becoming FDA approved despite their lack of success...

Because they know they will make a lot of money with it, even if results are slightly better than finasteride and minoxidil, market is so huge and craving for other sideless options, no matter the efficiency.You can expect better results, yes that's pretty sure, but thinking this is gonna bring back a fullhead...this is not sure at all

Possibly Replace a Finasteride / Minoxidil Regimen?
Treatment modality not the same as Minoxidil or Finasteride, so they would most likely not discourage people from stopping their current treatments as this would just be another angle to treat hair loss and maybe give a synergistic positive result with the other treatments. In other words, treating hair loss from multiple angles is always a good thing.

But of course, some may want to try this method as their first-line treatment.

It's just a guess, but this is not a sign showing his treatment will bring back full density

https://www.hairlosstalk.com/news/new-research/follica-presents-at-the-aad-2017-annual-meeting/

 

[d3nt3dsh0v3l]

Because they know they will make a lot of money with it, even if results are slightly better than finasteride and minoxidil, market is so huge and craving for other sideless options, no matter the efficiency.You can expect better results, yes that's pretty sure, but thinking this is gonna bring back a fullhead...this is not sure at all

Possibly Replace a Finasteride / Minoxidil Regimen?
Treatment modality not the same as Minoxidil or Finasteride, so they would most likely not discourage people from stopping their current treatments as this would just be another angle to treat hair loss and maybe give a synergistic positive result with the other treatments. In other words, treating hair loss from multiple angles is always a good thing.

But of course, some may want to try this method as their first-line treatment.

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It's just a guess, but this is not a sign showing his treatment will bring back full density

https://www.hairlosstalk.com/news/new-research/follica-presents-at-the-aad-2017-annual-meeting/

I really doubt that follica will be a cure. I'm not even convinced that the new follicles will be DHT resistant - why would they be? They might just take on the characteristics of surrounding tissue. And if you don't address the DHT issue, you're stuck with generating vellus hairs only.

But I think the beauty of it is that RCH-01 offers immunity but no regrowth. Dermarolling offers no immunity and some growth but most importantly, perhaps some new follicles in the form of vellus hairs. Minoxidil has been used by many to turn their vellus facial hair terminal, and the hair, once completely transformed into terminal hair, appears to remain once the minoxidil is discontinued.

So all this tells me is that RCH-01 is the priority. You can always try to roll and turn the vellus hairs terminal if you know that they are DHT resistant, I think. And perhaps the results people are getting now are lackluster because the hairs generated by rolling/Follica are not resistant.

So RCH-01 + (rolling+min or growth drug of choice)or(Follica, which is basically a better version of the same) might go a very long way.

And if all else fails, Tsuji's idea is probably on the money, albeit it will be expensive.

No time to mope, lads. The future is bright. And if it all doesn't work out, it's just hair. I know, people hate hearing that. But just think, there are forums similar to this one dedicated to serious medical conditions scattered all over the internet. I'm just thankful we aren't all discussing cancer or HIV cures right now, you know?

 

[BaldyBalderBald]

I really doubt that follica will be a cure. I'm not even convinced that the new follicles will be DHT resistant - why would they be? They might just take on the characteristics of surrounding tissue. And if you don't address the DHT issue, you're stuck with generating vellus hairs only.

But I think the beauty of it is that RCH-01 offers immunity but no regrowth. Dermarolling offers no immunity and some growth but most importantly, perhaps some new follicles in the form of vellus hairs. Minoxidil has been used by many to turn their vellus facial hair terminal, and the hair, once completely transformed into terminal hair, appears to remain once the minoxidil is discontinued.

So all this tells me is that RCH-01 is the priority. You can always try to roll and turn the vellus hairs terminal if you know that they are DHT resistant, I think. And perhaps the results people are getting now are lackluster because the hairs generated by rolling/Follica are not resistant.

So RCH-01 + (rolling+min or growth drug of choice)or(Follica, which is basically a better version of the same) might go a very long way.

And if all else fails, Tsuji's idea is probably on the money, albeit it will be expensive.

No time to mope, lads. The future is bright. And if it all doesn't work out, it's just hair. I know, people hate hearing that. But just think, there are forums similar to this one dedicated to serious medical conditions scattered all over the internet. I'm just thankful we aren't all discussing cancer or HIV cures right now, you know?

Replicel or Shiseido are my true only hope for sideless maintenance, no finasteride would be awesome, after it will be about who can give me hair !! Come on ! Shut up and Take My Money !!!

 

[Jonnyyy]

I really doubt that follica will be a cure. I'm not even convinced that the new follicles will be DHT resistant - why would they be? They might just take on the characteristics of surrounding tissue. And if you don't address the DHT issue, you're stuck with generating vellus hairs only.

But I think the beauty of it is that RCH-01 offers immunity but no regrowth. Dermarolling offers no immunity and some growth but most importantly, perhaps some new follicles in the form of vellus hairs. Minoxidil has been used by many to turn their vellus facial hair terminal, and the hair, once completely transformed into terminal hair, appears to remain once the minoxidil is discontinued.

So all this tells me is that RCH-01 is the priority. You can always try to roll and turn the vellus hairs terminal if you know that they are DHT resistant, I think. And perhaps the results people are getting now are lackluster because the hairs generated by rolling/Follica are not resistant.

So RCH-01 + (rolling+min or growth drug of choice)or(Follica, which is basically a better version of the same) might go a very long way.

And if all else fails, Tsuji's idea is probably on the money, albeit it will be expensive.

No time to mope, lads. The future is bright. And if it all doesn't work out, it's just hair. I know, people hate hearing that. But just think, there are forums similar to this one dedicated to serious medical conditions scattered all over the internet. I'm just thankful we aren't all discussing cancer or HIV cures right now, you know?

I don't get why the follicles wouldn't be DHT resistant, it's not the surrounding tissue that's messed up nor is it that our bodies produce too much dht, it's the fact that our current follicles are programmed to be sensitive towards a certain amount of DHT.

 

[BaldyBalderBald]

I don't get why the follicles wouldn't be DHT resistant, it's not the surrounding tissue that's messed up nor is it that our bodies produce too much dht, it's the fact that our current follicles are programmed to be sensitive towards a certain amount of DHT.

I wish we know the answer of this question, but Dr.Cots threw a smoke bomb after his conference at the world hair congress and just disappear before Hellouser could ask him, this guy is a NINJA

 

[Janko]

I really doubt that follica will be a cure. I'm not even convinced that the new follicles will be DHT resistant - why would they be? They might just take on the characteristics of surrounding tissue. And if you don't address the DHT issue, you're stuck with generating vellus hairs only.

But I think the beauty of it is that RCH-01 offers immunity but no regrowth. Dermarolling offers no immunity and some growth but most importantly, perhaps some new follicles in the form of vellus hairs. Minoxidil has been used by many to turn their vellus facial hair terminal, and the hair, once completely transformed into terminal hair, appears to remain once the minoxidil is discontinued.

So all this tells me is that RCH-01 is the priority. You can always try to roll and turn the vellus hairs terminal if you know that they are DHT resistant, I think. And perhaps the results people are getting now are lackluster because the hairs generated by rolling/Follica are not resistant.

So RCH-01 + (rolling+min or growth drug of choice)or(Follica, which is basically a better version of the same) might go a very long way.

And if all else fails, Tsuji's idea is probably on the money, albeit it will be expensive.

No time to mope, lads. The future is bright. And if it all doesn't work out, it's just hair. I know, people hate hearing that. But just think, there are forums similar to this one dedicated to serious medical conditions scattered all over the internet. I'm just thankful we aren't all discussing cancer or HIV cures right now, you know?

Yeah, its just hair....
You know what? My uncle had a cancer. He is one of the lucky one where chemo and etc. worked. Still every time someone asks him how was it he says, that after while he had accepted the fact he will die soon. But what made it worst was,that he lost his hair and was no longer himself. By his words. Losing hair was worse than dying.
My point is, that cancer and similair shits sucks. But sometimes suffering, where you can see its end is better than knowing you lived good only 18 years and now 60-70 years of feeling and looking like sh*t is in front of you.