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[tellersquill]

I'm wary of these longitude studies with so little tracking on the participants. How do we know they stuck to the training and diet?

I know that if you gave me any able bodied man that I could teach them how to get to 12% bodyfat with some decent muscle within a year.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

I'm wary of these longitude studies with so little tracking on the participants. How do we know they stuck to the training and diet?

I know that if you gave me any able bodied man that I could teach them how to get to 12% bodyfat with some decent muscle within a year.

Whatever -- please ignore the multitude of longitudinal studies including some which are very controlled, to focus on a fantasy from muscle magazines.
You realize the contestants on the biggest loser are on camera and in a controlled environment? That's how we know what they're eating.
The Minnesota starvation experiment kept the subjects in a camp, they had no control over their diet. Their diet was given to them by the doctors on site.

But keep holding onto fantasy, that you have some sort of magic potion that definitely works for everybody. There is no solution for everybody. We all have wide variety in our metabolism, bone structure, hormones, and gut microbiomes.

 

[davesmith420]

As this thread is starting to talk about looks-maxing type stuff I thought I would ask this question:

Can anyone recommend a good work out routine for a skinny fat guy (aka me)? I have attempted starting strength routine for the last few years but I seem to never get any real good process. I'm just looking to put on some muscle/tone up.

I have pic related in my basement and a bar/weights. I used to have a gym membership but with my poor grad student budget I had to quit it.

 

[tellersquill]

Whatever -- please ignore the multitude of longitudinal studies including some which are very controlled, to focus on a fantasy from muscle magazines.
You realize the contestants on the biggest loser are on camera and in a controlled environment? That's how we know what they're eating.
The Minnesota starvation experiment kept the subjects in a camp, they had no control over their diet. Their diet was given to them by the doctors on site.

But keep holding onto fantasy, that you have some sort of magic potion that definitely works for everybody. There is no solution for everybody. We all have wide variety in our metabolism, bone structure, hormones, and gut microbiomes.

Then why the hell am I in good shape?

Am I miracle?

How did I go from 155lbs at 21 to 190lbs of muscle at 30?

And how does it keep working for millions who go to the gym?

 

[I.D WALKER]

1) Calories in calories out is a tautology. In reality the body has phenomenal flexibility in adjusting calories out. It's been shown -- numerous times -- that if you just cut your calories by ~500 calories/day, your metabolism will drop by 500 calories a day. You'll actually be worse off. You won't be thinner, but your organs will be depleted of nutrients, you'll be freezing, and depressed. The scientific data (which you clearly have not looked at) supports this.

2) How much muscle you can gain depends on your hormones, your workout routine, and your diet. If they don't support extra muscle mass, those 400 calories a day will go to fat, body heat, fidgeting, or be excreted.

A healthy dose of of satisfiable affirmation.
Now that fellow David -MPN, Wittgenstein concurs, that he is one to watch

 

[shookwun]

Not entirely true. As a man of science I am sure you understand the body has a certain level of calories it needs to function. In bodybuilding we call this maintenance calories. If you eat that amount your bodyweight will stay the same.

If you eat an additional 400 calories a day while working out you will gain roughly a pound of muscle per month

If you eat at a 500 calorie per day deficit you will lose roughly 4-5lbs per month.

This is scientific data that can supports all this which can be found online. There is also a ton of anecdotal data as well.

Scientific data?

if everyone simply gained a LB a month of muscle from lifting weights, and eating above maintenance we would have Ronnie Colemans walking around. Absolute myth.

this simply doesn't happen. People seem to think that bloof of water, glycogen, and fat fat with table spoons of muscle accounts for pounds of lean muscle.

Most people would be lucky to put on 15-20 pounds of lBM there first year of training. Cut that by half your next year.

 

[tellersquill]

Scientific data?

if everyone simply gained a LB a month of muscle from lifting weights, and eating above maintenance we would have Ronnie Colemans walking around. Absolute myth.

this simply doesn't happen. People seem to think that bloof of water, glycogen, and fat fat with table spoons of muscle accounts for pounds of lean muscle.

Most people would be lucky to put on 15-20 pounds of lBM there first year of training. Cut that by half your next year.

Actually you are right. I was writing info that would help a beginner

First few years of training you can gain a pound of muscle per month.

After that it slows down. If I gain 6lbs next year I will be happy.

 

[shookwun]

A pound of month is realistic.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

As this thread is starting to talk about looks-maxing type stuff I thought I would ask this question:

Can anyone recommend a good work out routine for a skinny fat guy (aka me)? I have attempted starting strength routine for the last few years but I seem to never get any real good process. I'm just looking to put on some muscle/tone up.

I have pic related in my basement and a bar/weights. I used to have a gym membership but with my poor grad student budget I had to quit it.

I bet @kj6723 will have good advice.

From me:
- Intermittent fasting;
- low carb, high fat;
- high intensity interval training for cardio;
- Weights should be done in sets no longer than 8 repetitions, unless you have an injury;
- Include a stretching component to prevent injury;
- The best supplements with proper data backing them up are vitamin D3, fish oil, and creatine;

 

[kj6723]

lol KO21 is my new favorite poster (though I like petite women) KO.. what do you think about this woman? (one of my favorite pornstars)

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Thick girls over every thing... a nice small waist and big booty is better than a nice pair of boobs any single day of the week!

since everyone's posting a pic I'll post one of my fav girls too... DJ dramas girlfriend, surprisingly DJ drama has been in the Norwood cemetery but is NEVER seen without a hat. He bagged a broad though

I always thought this was what was considered thick
Like Beyonce, J Lo, Thiker thighs, hip and ***..not 'fat'. Just meaty.

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These are all thicknesses of which I approve. Would be happy for a girl with any of these bodies

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@tellersquill

Ashley Graham has a very nice face. Honestly, she's hot even though she's overweight. I would have no problem hooking up with her. Long term relationship...idk. There'd be many factors to play into that including her personality, but it would definitely be a concern in my mind that she's riding a very fine line weight wise...i.e., a few slip ups and things are likely going south

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Then why the hell am I in good shape?

Am I miracle?

How did I go from 155lbs at 21 to 190lbs of muscle at 30?

And how does it keep working for millions who go to the gym?

Most people who go to the gym get negligible results.

As for you, yes, you're genetically gifted, you're not elite but you're above average. You may also eat a high quality 2,600 calories a day, and follow a high-quality fitness routine.

 

[tellersquill]

Most people who go to the gym get negligible results.

As for you, yes, you're genetically gifted, you're not elite but you're above average. You may also eat a high quality 2,600 calories a day, and follow a high-quality fitness routine.

I'm not gifted - just a normal man who is working hard.

 

[shookwun]

Most people who go to the gym get negligible results.

As for you, yes, you're genetically gifted, you're not elite but you're above average. You may also eat a high quality 2,600 calories a day, and follow a high-quality fitness routine.

Most people look like trash.

Genetics determine how aesthetic you look. Most people simply don't have an aesthetic physique

the most important factor behind having a 'WOW factor' type physique is having a small waist, and stomach, and having epic shoulder development. Nothing turns heads more then when you see a lean shredded guy with a small waist, and huge taper.

I see lot's of these fridge physiques in my gym. YAWN, lots of muscle, bloof, and pools of estrogen with big stomachs. Never will be impressive.

This is what makes people go 'HOLY f***' That tiny waist, and massive upper body development.


Having a wide waist = NEVER aesthetic.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

I'm not gifted - just a normal man who is working hard.

I've seen your photos. You have above average bone structure. You actually had some abdominal definition at 5'11 and 190 lbs .. that's *very* rare.

It's a gift from mother nature -- be happy about it.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Of possible interest:

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Here's a more realistic image using real bodies rather than computer-generated bodies that set off the uncanny valley:

Based on these images, I'd want to be around 12%, though I think the image is being generous and 10% might be better.

 

[shookwun]

Most men I see usually fall between 25-30%

Cringe worthy. probably keep there T shirts on while having sex.

 

[kj6723]

As this thread is starting to talk about looks-maxing type stuff I thought I would ask this question:

Can anyone recommend a good work out routine for a skinny fat guy (aka me)? I have attempted starting strength routine for the last few years but I seem to never get any real good process. I'm just looking to put on some muscle/tone up.

I have pic related in my basement and a bar/weights. I used to have a gym membership but with my poor grad student budget I had to quit it.

I bet @kj6723 will have good advice.

From me:
- Intermittent fasting;
- low carb, high fat;
- high intensity interval training for cardio;
- Weights should be done in sets no longer than 8 repetitions, unless you have an injury;
- Include a stretching component to prevent injury;
- The best supplements with proper data backing them up are vitamin D3, fish oil, and creatine;

Davesmith, how many days a week do you have available/willing to commit? That's a deciding factor in the kind of program you pursue for yourself. Consistency is super important.

Right now I'm doing 3-4x week cardio, 5-6x strength training, but for someone just getting started or with more limited time, I'd do 3-4 days week cardio(at least 2 of them HIIT), 3-4 days strength training. If you don't want to exercise more than once a day you can do the cardio as a warm up before your strength training.

For putting on muscle, there are different ways to go about it, but personally I've had my best success by isolating muscle groups. For a 4 day routine, I'd try something like this:

Day 1: Chest/shoulders/tris

Day 2: Back/bis

Day 3: Upper legs/glutes

Day 4: Abs and calves

I can write out some specific routines for each day with that equipment if you want. Can the bar holders on that bench be turned around? Wondering if it could be used as a squat rack

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Google images also linked me to this article, which polled women on what they find attractive:
http://foxhoundstudio.com/blog/fitn...sique-—-what-girls-want-want-guys-want-to-be/

Women consistently chose low-but-not-extremely-low body fat percentage, along with high-but-not-extremely-high muscle mass. For example:

 

[davesmith420]

Davesmith, how many days a week do you have available/willing to commit? That's a deciding factor in the kind of program you pursue for yourself. Consistency is super important.

Right now I'm doing 3-4x week cardio, 5-6x strength training, but for someone just getting started or with more limited time, I'd do 3-4 days week cardio(at least 2 of them HIIT), 3-4 days strength training. If you don't want to exercise more than once a day you can do the cardio as a warm up before your strength training.

For putting on muscle, there are different ways to go about it, but personally I've had my best success by isolating muscle groups. For a 4 day routine, I'd try something like this:

Day 1: Chest/shoulders/tris

Day 2: Back/bis

Day 3: Upper legs/glutes

Day 4: Abs and calves

I can write out some specific routines for each day with that equipment if you want. Can the bar holders on that bench be turned around? Wondering if it could be used as a squat rack

Yes the bars can be, I used to do squats with it. I'm looking to lift like 3 days a week, my schedule is pretty jammed packed at the moment.