So What's Wrong With Being Confident Again?

[blackg]

Honest question though, which of these guys would you be more drawn to? Pretend they are equally as good looking:

1. Ripped dude, great body, tells you extensively about his exercise routines and the hours he put in at the gym to achieve his physique

2. Ripped dude, great body, never brings up anything fitness related in conversation. When asked about how he's so fit, kind of brushes off the complements, "I work out a little bit"

Definitely the first guy.

 

[Dante92]

@whatevr likes this, hahah!

Mind-blowing.

 

[Hangin'on Hair]

I think when I return to the gym after my surgery I'm going to follow Kinobody's advice, which is to train ~3 days/week.

Lift to failure, break your muscles, and then give them time to heal.

He and his disciples seem to be doing great with that approach.

3-4 days a week is all you need. No point in going to the gym everyday. And no point in working out hours on end. 45min to an hour is all you need. Unless you want to look like one of those meathead bodybuilder types.Your muscles aren't growing in the gym. They're growing on the days when you aren't lifting and when you're a sleep.

Heck, you can get an amazing workout in 30 min. It's all about intensity and diet.
No point in being a slave to the gym.

 

[buckthorn]

Being a woman is a blessing today; whatever you are or whatever you do, you will be at least partially justified. That's why I can't tolerate women who complain: those who live in god-mode should enjoy their undeserved privileges and shut the f*** up. But no, they become even pickier and want more.

yeah unless you're not a privileged white woman living in a decent area... then you just have to worry about rape, or like maybe being trafficked across the border as a 12 year old sex slave. but other than that it's allllll gooooood because they usually don't have Androgenetic Alopecia.

 

[buckthorn]

I just think these arguments are too black and white. I am no white knight. I am a 34 year old who has been f*cked over by my fair share of women and to be completely HONEST, I have a terrible time with trusting women in general. It's just a theme of these forums to always label everyone else who doesn't suffer from male pattern baldness as "having it easy".

For example, you say that I was spoiled or privileged because I had hair in my twenties and was attractive. Yet, that is the only part of my story you know. believe it or not, people like me CAN live difficult lives despite having those characteristics. Read my signature.

 

[buckthorn]

Except balding people in their teens probably had the same problems (you know, abusive father, self-esteem issues, anxiety, depression, etc.) and baldness.

Yes, everyone has problems, but add baldness in the mix and you realize your so-called problems were insignificant and could be resolved easily.

That's why now I have 0 problem besides baldness. That's right. Baldness teaches you perspective like nothing else.

Just lol at fullheads' problems.

yeah, I can't really argue with this. I used to be able to solve all my problems, nothing compared to this. Now I am awake at 3am every day with disgusting anxiety. It completely consumes my mind.

 

[samantha3333]

but other than that it's allllll gooooood because they usually don't have Androgenetic Alopecia.

Millions of women suffer from Androgenetic Alopecia. We just hide it well. It's easier when you have long hair

 

[samantha3333]

Except balding people in their teens probably had the same problems (you know, abusive father, self-esteem issues, anxiety, depression, etc.) and baldness.

Yes, everyone has problems, but add baldness in the mix and you realize your so-called problems were insignificant and could be resolved easily.

That's why now I have 0 problem besides baldness. That's right. Baldness teaches you perspective like nothing else.

Just lol at fullheads' problems.

Then you can also add HIV, MS, breast cancer etc to the mix.
If you think male pattern baldness is the worst thing in the world, I feel bad for you. Be thankful you have Androgenetic Alopecia rather than AA which makes you lose your eyebrows and eye lashes.

I have dated a guy who has a micro penis. It's REALLY small. But he's probably one of the most funny and confident guys I've ever seen. He's had a few long-term relationships before. And he wasn't awkward or embarrassed in bed.

Edit: He does have a full head of hair and a rocking body (6'3 and six pack). But would you trade a normal penis for a full head of hair? I think the worst thing in the world is some genetic flaws that you can neither alter or camouflage.

male pattern baldness doesnt take away a man's attractiveness. His god damn attitude does. From what I've seen on male pattern baldness forums, men can get so bitter about life because of baldness it's unreal.

 

[buckthorn]

This.

40% of all hair loss sufferers are women.

what? What exactly is a "hair loss sufferer" then? I have seen maybe a handful of older women in my life with hair loss. While, 70% of the men I know are almost bald at 34... don't really understand this statistic. If it is including women who have bouts of Telogen Effluvium, then it's BS.

 

[samantha3333]

Maybe you just bought a cheaper one?

Not a viable solution? Can you stop with generalising already? Tell to @Noah , @grincher and @Fanjeera that it's not a viable solution.

I will definitely try it if I run out of options. If it doesn't work for me I'll write that it wasn't a viable solution FOR ME.

Two years ago, people kept telling me it's almost impossible for an international student to get a grad job in the city of London/UK. The competition is so damn high and immigration rule is stricter and stricter every year. Most of my friends failed and became bitter saying I'm doomed and expressed their discontent with the country. People who never even been to the UK also said similar things because their friends failed. If I believed them, I wouldn't be starting work in London in a few weeks.

 

[kj6723]

Except balding people in their teens probably had the same problems (you know, abusive father, self-esteem issues, anxiety, depression, etc.) and baldness.

Yes, everyone has problems, but add baldness in the mix and you realize your so-called problems were insignificant and could be resolved easily.

That's why now I have 0 problem besides baldness. That's right. Baldness teaches you perspective like nothing else.

Just lol at fullheads' problems.

I've dealt with things that were more stressful than hair loss in the moment.

Hair loss is a different kind of stress because it's always with you, no matter where you go, what you're doing...it's there, right on top of your head. I imagine it's the same for people with facial deformities, etc.

 

[PappinAce]

A lot of times I also wonder myself, when a man and a woman of equal attractiveness are compared, both without makeup or any pampering, if the woman's attractiveness will instantly drop just because society dictates that women should at least wear "no-makeup" make up to be beautiful. Men can still be attractive with dark under eye circles, excessive facial hair, skin pigmentation etc but it's impossible for a woman.

That's not true at all! It's just the rhetoric that the make-up industry wants you to believe. They take completely normal characteristics like circles under the eyes or uneven skin tone, and reframe them as problems. That way you'll look in the mirror, see something normal, and think it needs to be "fixed". The makeup is there to save you!

Just another aspect of how marketing's underlying goal is to manufacture a steady level of anxiety in its consumers. You always want to feel that buzzing deep inside you that something isn't quite perfect and you need something to correct it. Or the other one is the BS about how make-up "accentuates" your features, which just promotes more narcissism.

IMO women look their best without smearing all that sh*t on their face. You state that men can look fine without makeup but women cannot. You don't go into more detail about it though. Could that just be social conditioning talking?

http://i.imgur.com/kbCWJGZ.jpg

On the left is hands-down most attractive. Because that's what a normal f*****g human being LOOKS LIKE. If I saw her looking like she does on the right side, I would literally be scared. Like seeing one of those evil clowns. The two in the middle, I'd just be like "come on, why can't you just be yourself".

 

[PappinAce]

Two years ago, people kept telling me it's almost impossible for an international student to get a grad job in the city of London/UK. The competition is so damn high and immigration rule is stricter and stricter every year. Most of my friends failed and became bitter saying I'm doomed and expressed their discontent with the country. People who never even been to the UK also said similar things because their friends failed. If I believed them, I wouldn't be starting work in London in a few weeks.

But Fred's experience speaks for everybody's experience!

 

[samantha3333]

But Fred's experience speaks for everybody's experience!

There should be a AskFred sub lol.

 

[samantha3333]

That's not true at all! It's just the rhetoric that the make-up industry wants you to believe. They take completely normal characteristics like circles under the eyes or uneven skin tone, and reframe them as problems. That way you'll look in the mirror, see something normal, and think it needs to be "fixed". The makeup is there to save you!

Just another aspect of how marketing's underlying goal is to manufacture a steady level of anxiety in its consumers. You always want to feel that buzzing deep inside you that something isn't quite perfect and you need something to correct it. Or the other one is the BS about how make-up "accentuates" your features, which just promotes more narcissism.

Dark circles under the eyes and uneven skin tone are normal but they ARE cosmetic problems.
Make-up doesn't "accentuates" women's features. They are there to fix problems. I only use makeup now because my lips can be quite pale at times and I have moderate acne (which comes in handy with Androgenetic Alopecia).
If you ask men who they'd f*** in those pic majority would go for ones with makeup. First impression is important. And also people are so brain washed by the media they are wired to think "hot" women be the one with makeup.
One of the few places where women would look legit attractive without makeup is the beach because: 1. sun light does enhance your beauty (whereas LED makes you look horrible). 2. Colorful beach wear. 3. Nobody wears makeup on the beach. There won't be a chance for you to compare a girl without makeup and one with makeup.

IMO women look their best without smearing all that sh*t on their face. You state that men can look fine without makeup but women cannot. You don't go into more detail about it though. Could that just be social conditioning talking?

Kinda. The society is led to believe that women's skin should be delicate, flawless while men should look "rough" and manly.

http://i.imgur.com/kbCWJGZ.jpg

On the left is hands-down most attractive. Because that's what a normal f*****g human being LOOKS LIKE. If I saw her looking like she does on the right side, I would literally be scared. Like seeing one of those evil clowns. The two in the middle, I'd just be like "come on, why can't you just be yourself".

You only think the first one is most attractive because of lighting and it's kinda blurry. Gimme pics taken under the same lighting then I'll judge from there. You can tell from her makeup pics that her dark under eye circles are bad even makeup and dark lighting can't fully disguise it. I don't think she looks sick in her first pic tho. Just normal.

Just my 2cents

 

[samantha3333]

Hey Samantha, could you give a recollection of the bald guys you have dated? What were their secondary characteristics? How long did the relationships last?

Dated a bald man when I was 19. He was only 20 and his top was thinning quite a lot. I didn't realise he was balding until he pointed it out. I had a lot of hair myself so i ddint really give a sh*t about other people's hair problems. He even talked about what meds he was on. Couldn't understand a thing but it didn't bother me at all even I was only 19. I broke up with him after 6 months because we have a different view on the future. And lets face it i was too young to be tied down. He was not attractive hair or no hair.

I also dated a guy who's between Norwood 3 and 4. Didn't even realise his hairline was so far back until date 2 even tho now i have hair loss. lol Our personality just dont match (I like guys that are a bit more bold and flirty and he was shy). He has a very nice beard tho.

Wouldn;t date a guy who's slick bald tho because of my obsession with blondies lol

 

[Joan]

what? What exactly is a "hair loss sufferer" then? I have seen maybe a handful of older women in my life with hair loss. While, 70% of the men I know are almost bald at 34... don't really understand this statistic. If it is including women who have bouts of Telogen Effluvium, then it's BS.

Just about every older woman I see has some degree of hair loss. Most of them have a noticeable amount of scalp showing.

 

[Joan]

[QUOTE="FredTheBelgian, post: 1358233, member: 16776"

If you're bald and average-looking, you'll have an insanely hard time getting your foot in the door. To the point it's not even a try.

While a guy with a full head of hair and just above-average can just put on a jeans, a t-shirt, act normal, sometimes even awkward, and get a woman without much trouble.[/QUOTE]
Fred, do you think a man who has an attractive face will still be attractive but just less so if he loses his hair?

 

[samantha3333]

I don't frankly care. Besides, I must admit that, after all my suffering, now I experience a great deal of sadistic pleasure in watching good-looking people suffer. It's not because they have it way easier (which is true anyway), it's because they enjoy humiliating other people and rub their superiority in their face. Watching them being pushed off the pedestal is priceless.

And no, I don't give a f*** about their experiences and their suffering, as they never do that when they humiliate me.

It;s sad any man has to go through being mocked by their (lack of) hair. A lot of girl friends of mine make fun of NW3 or up guys behind their back. But when a girl's hair is naturally very thin or even see-through, nobody will say a thing.

 

[buckthorn]

I don't frankly care. Besides, I must admit that, after all my suffering, now I experience a great deal of sadistic pleasure in watching good-looking people suffer. It's not because they have it way easier (which is true anyway), it's because they enjoy humiliating other people and rub their superiority in their face. Watching them being pushed off the pedestal is priceless.

And no, I don't give a f*** about their experiences and their suffering, as they never do that when they humiliate me.

Yeah, understandable... because the majority of issues people have some control over. Genetics, we have none. Well, good looking or not, no one here will humiliate you and if they try we will verbally butcher them. Sorry if I ever come across as a d*ck. I simply have a loud mouth and never mean any actual harm.