" Sorry, I'm Not Into Bald Guys. You Should Try Approaching A Bald Woman."

[constrictedvoid]

I said it before, I'll say it again, though it will probably be ignored:
In general, but especially if you are ugly, besides following a strategic plan to look better over time, work on your mood, ideally at least partly by improving systemic health.

And then my experience with women: presence, being happy and not using them to stabilize your own mood(big one) are all big factors in their interest in your. I can't speak for how they compare to looks, because I haven't have only had my own looks(though they did fluctuate somewhat over time). I suspect looks play a dominant role, and I suspect a combination of healthful and youthful features with masculinity is ideal, the better one can combine both, the better one is off. Which is more important probably does change with the woman's age, but I'm in my mid 20s, and the oldest girl I've been with was in her early 30s, so I can't definitively speak about that from my own experience.

I think it's a very good idea to systematically improve looks, and hair is a big part of that, but getting too attached to the outcome is just painful.

 

[constrictedvoid]

And how could someone possibily look better in time if they're ugly? Do you know what it actually means? Women refuse to even look at you, it's not about mood and presence, it's all about looks. Don't overestimate women. In public I'm always happy, kind, I tell jokes, I'm a good conversationalist. Women don't care and mock me relentlessly. I've always shown them respect, and in response they've always treated me like dirt. They're all the same, all of them. The only difference is that some are more hypocritical than others, as some users learnt firsthand in this forum...

Furthermore, it's impossible to systematically improve your looks if you're truly ugly, I know this. Good clothes, tan, gym and that kind of crap won't help you at all.

---------------Systemic
Good systemic health, may improve skin, hair(depending on cause), body composition, possibly longterm, facial skeleton(very speculative). Should have been there from early in life, but most people are screwballs at doing what it takes. Obvious genetics play a huge role, but many environmental factors help. I'll name some:

-Going to bed early and reinforcing circadian rhythm with meal timing, exercise timing, light exposure timing, avoiding blue light late at night, getting an abundance of it during the day.

-Good diet, relatively unrefined, nutritious foods are a good start, I personally think some more specific things could be useful, but let's leave those out for now. Many refined foods are fine, but if you start making them highly palatable, you may mess with appetite/energy expenditure regulation by the brain.

-Good exposure to red light by the skin, and protecting yourself against UV

-Intermittent intense hormetic stressors against a baseline of low stress(heat stress, cold stress, exercise(both strength training and some type of cardio for a start), stress from irritating/slightly toxic food substances(yes that has been established to be important/helpful).

-Some kind of mood improving practices, I consider meditation ideal, using some kind of psychedelic drug at a low dose to learn how to meditate, then going from there. Research on this is still limited, you might consider some kind of talking therapy if you find it helpful for mood.


---------------Local
--------Skin:
Tretinoin
Accutane
Dermaneedling
Laser resurfacing
Botox
Injectable hyaluronic acid

--------Hair:
RU
CB
finasteride
dutasteride
spironolactone
Est
Prog
Min
Needling to improve absorption of topicals and release growth factors
PGE2
Adenosine
Good styling product
A million other things you surely know about
Annnddd... wigs, better than being incel if you care so much for pussy

--------Facial skeleton:
-I am honestly not sure how malleable it is in adulthood, maybe mewing would help, again, I have not looked into that at all.
-Surgery, pricey, but an option, I don't know the details, but I've seen some incredible before and after pictures

--------Body comp
-Result of good systemic health, single digit BF% might not be for everyone, but if you can get there, it should improve facial aesthetics a lot. Both muscle mass and low bodyfat should be a consequence of what you do for systemic health(lifting weights, doing cardio, eating a simple diet, going to bed early).



Besides all this you can run bloodwork and if doing good stuff to support systemic health doesn't do the trick, you could hop on TRT for instance. Of course this guide is very basic, I could extend many areas, but given that I need to continue cooking, I've already written more than enough. I'd be curious what factors making you ugly you have isolated, and what your approach is, and has been to fix them.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

I don't know to what extent bone structure can be affected in adulthood, I'm assuming no visible extent at all. I believe bone structure is a function of genetics, embryonic environment, and early childhood environment, maybe teenage environment too.

What's measured is that you can improve the density of your bones in adulthood with exercise, preventing osteoperosis that way, which will slow down the decay of the bone structure that genetics+environment gave you in early adulthood.

 

[constrictedvoid]

I don't know to what extent bone structure can be affected in adulthood, I'm assuming no visible extent at all. I believe bone structure is a function of genetics, embryonic environment, and early childhood environment, maybe teenage environment too.

What's measured is that you can improve the density of your bones in adulthood with exercise, preventing osteoperosis that way, which will slow down the decay of the bone structure that genetics+environment gave you in early adulthood.

I know that Mike Mew argues it can be changed in adulthood, but I have no idea how legitimate his views are regarding that. Are you familiar with his stuff?

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

I'm not familiar with his stuff, could you tell me more?

 

[shookwun]

 

[jd_uk]

""Women aren't attracted to muscles because you can't genetically fool them";"

Yet they'll like a guy better if he loses body fat, gets a hair transplant, gets gynecomaestia surgery should he need it, gets dental braces and teeth whitening should he need it, gets laser eye surgery should he need it,

or for that matter if he's been fed better childhood nutrition that made him 2 or 3 inches taller and given him better bone structure, and had better embryonic nutrition that gave him a more symmetric face.

The people on this board who talk about "genetics" are by and large those who have never taken let alone understood a college-level science course and have zero understanding of what genetics is. Worse than that, they actually have an active misunderstanding of what genetics is.

Yep...but I'd go further and just say they have a misunderstanding of a lot of things. I was going to say Science, but that is too specific.

 

[CaptainForehead]

Why do all threads turn into "Psychoanalyze Fred" threads?

Can this please stop?

Can we all please stay on topic or I'm going to complain to the mods that some of the posters habitually derail threads and turn them all into "Attack Fred" threads.

Did you HAVE to bring the derailment issue to the admin? Most of the threads here get derailed, often without involving Fred. If something interesting comes up, we posters take the thread in that direction. One of the few forums where mods let this slide, and I appreciate it. Don't spoil a good thing.

 

[Dante92]

You can fool women who would already have been attracted to you because of your unalterable genetic traits.

The rest (95% of the women out there) won't give a f*** about your looks, your height, your muscles, because they simply won't be attracted to you.

Just like some people will automatically get along with you and others won't, no matter what you say or do, or no matter the "vibes" you give off.

There is no one on earth getting along with everyone, just like there is no man able to bed any girl.

Some of you need to close the self-help books.

Thank you Fred, your realism is always a relief in this land of delusions.

 

[Wolf Pack]

Did you HAVE to bring the derailment issue to the admin? Most of the threads here get derailed, often without involving Fred. If something interesting comes up, we posters take the thread in that direction. One of the few forums where mods let this slide, and I appreciate it. Don't spoil a good thing.

I closed that thread by nameless as I felt it will escalate into something. I agree, most threads get derailed but in a natural way, especially in a sub section like this. Only out right abuse is where mods should step in, imo. Also use the report/pm function nameless like other people do.

 

[Rudiger]

You can fool women who would already have been attracted to you because of your unalterable genetic traits..

I think your "facts" are going to have to evolve again because that box of opinions you have just keeps getting squished smaller and smaller.

 

[nameless]

I closed that thread by nameless as I felt it will escalate into something. I agree, most threads get derailed but in a natural way, especially in a sub section like this. Only out right abuse is where mods should step in, imo. Also use the report/pm function nameless like other people do.

The people doing the constant "Attack Fred" posts do it in virtually every post they make. The "Attack Fred" posts are usually long, uninformative, and boring. I lead a very busy life and I don't have time to read through all of those long, uninformed, hatred posts to determine whether or not the posts are "Attack Fred" posts so I can report them. I don't think I should have to go through all of that boring nonsense.

Mindless and constant attack posts damage entire hair websites because the good posters get tired of it and they start hanging out more and more at other websites, until they are eventually gone from the site where the constant mindless attacks take place. I'm going to start spending more time at other hair websites where Fred's state of mind isn't the main topic. I like this site but I don't come here to read posts by amateur psychologists ragging-on Fred's alleged instability, especially since the posters ragging-on Fred's alleged instability are they themselves destabilized by their own hair loss, and what they are really trying to do is berate and humiliate another poster to vent their own anger and frustration over their own hair loss.

This site is morphing into a "Let's Troll Fred" site so it's already escalating into something. It's escalating into a situation where there's just too many posts where a few posters constantly attack Fred's psychology. This website is not supposed to be about one poster's psychology. It's supposed to be about hair. And letting these posters attack Fred's sanity constantly defeats a big part of what this site is supposed to be about because it's supposed to be a place where someone having psychological difficulty with hair loss can have some peace of mind, rather than being subjected to constant attacks.

I've seen this before and it destroys entire sites.

 

[jd_uk]

The people doing the constant Attack-Fred posts do it with virtually every post they make. The attack Fred posts are usually long, uninformative, and boring. I lead a very busy life and I don't have time to read through all of those long, uninformed, hatred posts to determine whether or not they're attack Fred posts so I can report the posts. I don't think I should have to go through all of that boring nonsense.

Mindless and constant attack posts damage entire hair websites because the good posters get tired of it and they start hanging out more and more at other websites. I'm going to start spending more time at other hair websites where Fred's state of mind isn't the main issue. I like this site but I don't come here to read the opinions of amateur psychologists who are ragging-on Fred's alleged instability, especially since the posters ragging-on Fred's instability are they themselves destabilized by their own hair loss, and what they are really trying to do is humiliate another poster for no valid reason.

This site is morphing into a "Let's Troll Fred" site so it's already escalating into something. It's escalating to a situation where there's just too many posts where one or two posters constantly attack Fred's psychology. This website is not supposed to be about one poster's psychology. It's supposed to be about hair. And letting these posters attack Fred's psychologically constantly defeats a big part of what this site is supposed to be about because the site is supposed to be a place where someone having psychological difficulty with hair loss can come for some peace of mind, rather than being subjected to constant attacks.

I've seen this before and it nukes entire sites.

IF (which i assume so), you are referring to my post on here then I make no apology for it and the reason I don't is that where one person repeatedly makes so many absolute statements like Fred does which are so easily refuted then it means that person isn't balanced in what they are saying. Much of what Fred says clearly comes from his own issues but its obsessive, it's pretty much spamming with the same statements over and over again. If I come to this part of the forum then I know that within the last few hours Fred will have posted the exact same thing that he did yesterday and the day before (and so on, for years and months). Despite his statements so often being easily refuted, they are also pretty much always very negative statements. Hair loss is something which affects everyone here and and we all have our negative experiences with it but in my opinion this forum shouldn't be a race to the bottom, a place where you come here feeling a bit bad and then have the same few telling you that your life is all but over. It should instead be a fairly supportive place where the difficulties of hair loss are acknowledged and not ignored but where people are supported and where there is balance and perspective (e.g. the reality of the many happy bald and balding people in the world is acknowledged). I haven't got as much time as some but when I see posters like hair loss challenging some of the nonsense that Fred comes out with it makes me happy to see that at least a few people here have a bit of perspective. None of us like hair loss but many of do, can and will have good lives regardless of our hair situation.

 

[nameless]

IF (which i assume so), you are referring to my post on here then I make no apology for it and the reason I don't is that where one person repeatedly makes so many absolute statements like Fred does which are so easily refuted then it means that person isn't balanced in what they are saying. Much of what Fred says clearly comes from his own issues but its obsessive, it's pretty much spamming with the same statements over and over again. If I come to this part of the forum then I know that within the last few hours Fred will have posted the exact same thing that he did yesterday and the day before (and so on, for years and months). Despite his statements so often being easily refuted, they are also pretty much always very negative statements. Hair loss is something which affects everyone here and and we all have our negative experiences with it but in my opinion this forum shouldn't be a race to the bottom, a place where you come here feeling a bit bad and then have the same few telling you that your life is all but over. It should instead be a fairly supportive place where the difficulties of hair loss are acknowledged and not ignored but where people are supported and where there is balance and perspective (e.g. the reality of the many happy bald and balding people in the world is acknowledged). I haven't got as much time as some but when I see posters like hair loss challenging some of the nonsense that Fred comes out with it makes me happy to see that at least a few people here have a bit of perspective. None of us like hair loss but many of do, can and will have good lives regardless of our hair situation.

It is NOT you I'm mostly referring to. But you do know that you're also going overboard in your trolling of Fred or else you wouldn't have thought I was talking about you. Like the old saying goes: a guilty conscience needs no accuser.

But the troll I'm referring to just sent me an attack private message via this site's private message system. He sent me the attack private message because he knows he's the person I'm talking about, and he knows he's trolling Fred, and he knows he's jamming the entire site with his "Attack Fred" posts. It's h.I.

 

[CaptainForehead]

You know there is an ignore poster option, right?

 

[nameless]

You know there is an ignore poster option, right?

No I didn't know that.

Thanks for telling me.

 

[constrictedvoid]

Thank you Fred, your realism is always a relief in this land of delusions.

So, can you answer my question? What factors have you isolated that are making you ugly, and what is, and has been, your approach to resolve these issues?

 

[nameless]

just like there is no man able to bed any girl.

Except for me when I have my hair.

 

[stachu]

But whenever i look up here. Fred is pushing dislike button to everyone who have another opinion than him. For sure, he has some self confidence problems that making him almost look like a typical c*** who knows everything better. Just my opinion. Go click it. Click it F(ag)red.

Your 5 dislikes on me makes me happy.

 

[Funkymonk1]

IF (which i assume so), you are referring to my post on here then I make no apology for it and the reason I don't is that where one person repeatedly makes so many absolute statements like Fred does which are so easily refuted then it means that person isn't balanced in what they are saying. Much of what Fred says clearly comes from his own issues but its obsessive, it's pretty much spamming with the same statements over and over again. If I come to this part of the forum then I know that within the last few hours Fred will have posted the exact same thing that he did yesterday and the day before (and so on, for years and months). Despite his statements so often being easily refuted, they are also pretty much always very negative statements. Hair loss is something which affects everyone here and and we all have our negative experiences with it but in my opinion this forum shouldn't be a race to the bottom, a place where you come here feeling a bit bad and then have the same few telling you that your life is all but over. It should instead be a fairly supportive place where the difficulties of hair loss are acknowledged and not ignored but where people are supported and where there is balance and perspective (e.g. the reality of the many happy bald and balding people in the world is acknowledged). I haven't got as much time as some but when I see posters like hair loss challenging some of the nonsense that Fred comes out with it makes me happy to see that at least a few people here have a bit of perspective. None of us like hair loss but many of do, can and will have good lives regardless of our hair situation.

This. I agree that some of the trolling crosses the line but it works both ways. Fred has a way of making every thread about him. It's him who starts most of it. As jd_uk said you can't expect people not to respond when someone makes so many absolute statements that are frankly nonsense or even insulting to some people. He can also be outright rude sometimes for no reason (such as telling people their life is over or they have no chance with girls) and ther's no way he should be allowed to get away with that, I don't care what you say. In fact ther's a part of me that thinks he likes the attention.