" Sorry, I'm Not Into Bald Guys. You Should Try Approaching A Bald Woman."

[Saurabhaj]

Nameless..stop being a Sycophant of fred.

( now don't attack me if my English here is wrong).

 

[nameless]

Nameless..stop being a Sycophant of fred.

( now don't attack me if my English here is wrong).

I'm not being a "Sycophant" for anyone.
It's annoying to have to peruse through all of these trolling "Attack Fred" posts.
All of these "Get Fred" posts basically say the same thing - they basically say "We don't like Fred"
but they say it in long boring posts.

They're a waste of time. I get it that some people don't like Fred. They've made their point. Why do
They have to keep saying, "We don't like Fred" over and over and over again like a couple of 2-year
olds saying the same thing over and over and over again?

 

[nameless]

This. I agree that some of the trolling crosses the line but it works both ways. Fred has a way of making every thread about him. It's him who starts most of it. As jd_uk said you can't expect people not to respond when someone makes so many absolute statements that are frankly nonsense or even insulting to some people. He can also be outright rude sometimes for no reason (such as telling people their life is over or they have no chance with girls) and ther's no way he should be allowed to get away with that, I don't care what you say. In fact ther's a part of me that thinks he likes the attention.

One of these guys trolling Fred (h.I) just doesn't know when to quit. I don't think he has made
a single post in the past week that does not include an attack against Fred. Almost all of his
posts are attack posts against Fred and it's getting old.

He doesn't like Fred. I get it. Enough is enough. All of his posts basically say the same thing - they say
"I don't like Fred" and it's getting monotonous.

 

[jd_uk]

One of these guys trolling Fred (h.I) just doesn't know when to quit. I don't think he has made
a single post in the past week that does not include an attack against Fred. Almost all of his
posts are attack posts against Fred and it's getting old.

He doesn't like Fred. I get it. Enough is enough. All of his posts basically say the same thing - they say
"I don't like Fred" and it's getting monotonous.

The issue is at the source... i.e. Fred and his broad brush and repetitive extreme views/posts. It is a good thing that some people bother to keep it in check.

 

[jd_uk]

This. I agree that some of the trolling crosses the line but it works both ways. Fred has a way of making every thread about him. It's him who starts most of it. As jd_uk said you can't expect people not to respond when someone makes so many absolute statements that are frankly nonsense or even insulting to some people. He can also be outright rude sometimes for no reason (such as telling people their life is over or they have no chance with girls) and ther's no way he should be allowed to get away with that, I don't care what you say. In fact ther's a part of me that thinks he likes the attention.

Well put.

 

[nameless]

The issue is at the source... i.e. Fred and his broad brush and repetitive extreme views/posts. It is a good thing that some people bother to keep it in check.

I get it that you don't like Fred. What is your problem dude? You attack him in every post you make.

And of course anyone with any sense knows that you and h.I are the problems because you and h.I.
attack EVERYTHING Fred says and nobody, including Fred, is ALL wrong ALL the time. You and h.I. are
in auto-pilot attack Fred. You're cluttering the threads with this cr@p and you're making this site less fun to visit.

 

[nameless]

The issue is at the source... i.e. Fred and his broad brush and repetitive extreme views/posts. It is a good thing that some people bother to keep it in check.

Every post you make contains an attack against Fred. There's something wrong with that.

Fred laid bare his own soft spots by publicizing his own distress and you're trying to hit him in
those soft spots because it makes you feel better. You're using Fred as a punching bag to
take out some of your own anger (over hair loss) on. In other words, you've gone total psycho-
headcase over your own hair loss and you release some of your psycho stress by attacking Fred.

You're a tosser and a flamer who's trolling Fred because you can't take it.

 

[constrictedvoid]

Factors? Genetics. There can be no struggle and no chance against genetics, Being a deformed, prematurely aged subhuman is worse than torture, there's nothing I can do.

My approach? Surrendering and waiting for death to come.

I genuinely feel bad for the helpless state you are in. I understand how people who have not been sick would treat you badly purely based on that, as they do not understand you currently can't help it, and it's simply a product of your messed up systemic health.

Also, when I say factors, I mean isolated aspects of aesthetics. Have you considered consulting with someone like this: https://nl.fiverr.com/andreane/analyze-your-face-and-make-you-more-attractive
?

It would be helpful to have a full list of facial skeleton derangements, skin derangements, hair loss, body comp goals, etc. Once you put down everything in a list, you can look at what's financially feasibly to address. I genuinely think if you put on a wig that's NW1, gained 15 kg of muscle, got to a very low bodyfat level, improved skin, you could at least do decently. But I can't say for sure given I have no idea how messed up your facial structure is. From what I read you are NW3 without serious diffuse thinning? In that case I suppose even a hair transplant can fix you. Live off organ meats(cheaper than regular meat) and cheap starchy foods for a few years, and don't spend money on anything you don't need, and maybe you can afford one.

When you say "genetics", have you actually studied the degree to which environment vs genetics determines facial skeleton and other factors impeding your aesthetics?

 

[constrictedvoid]

Phrased another way, Dante, girls don't see your genotype, they see your phenotype. I'm not asking about your genes, I'm asking about your features.

 

[jd_uk]

Every post you make contains an attack against Fred. There's something wrong with that.

I think Fred laid bare his own soft spots by publicizing his own pain and you're trying to hit
him in those soft spots because it makes you feel better. You're using Fred as a punching bag
to take out some of your own anger (at hair loss) on. In other words, you've gone total psycho-
headcase over your hair loss and you release some of your psycho stress by attacking Fred.

You're a tosser and a flamer who's trolling Fred because you can't take it.

Or..more likely, if I see a post which is so blatantly untrue, sometimes I will reply to that correcting it. This guy makes more factually incorrect statements than anyone I've ever seen on a forum ever I think. But I don't reply to anywhere near most of his posts because I just don't have the time. If I visit this site after not checking for a week then sure enough Fred will have written the same nonsense 30 times.

 

[jd_uk]

I genuinely feel bad for the helpless state you are in. I understand how people who have not been sick would treat you badly purely based on that, as they do not understand you currently can't help it, and it's simply a product of your messed up systemic health.

Also, when I say factors, I mean isolated aspects of aesthetics. Have you considered consulting with someone like this: https://nl.fiverr.com/andreane/analyze-your-face-and-make-you-more-attractive
?

It would be helpful to have a full list of facial skeleton derangements, skin derangements, hair loss, body comp goals, etc. Once you put down everything in a list, you can look at what's financially feasibly to address. I genuinely think if you put on a wig that's NW1, gained 15 kg of muscle, got to a very low bodyfat level, improved skin, you could at least do decently. But I can't say for sure given I have no idea how messed up your facial structure is. From what I read you are NW3 without serious diffuse thinning? In that case I suppose even a hair transplant can fix you. Live off organ meats(cheaper than regular meat) and cheap starchy foods for a few years, and don't spend money on anything you don't need, and maybe you can afford one.

When you say "genetics", have you actually studied the degree to which environment vs genetics determines facial skeleton and other factors impeding your aesthetics?

Does the environment determine the facial skeleton?

 

[Dante92]

Does the environment determine the facial skeleton?

No, but confidence surely does.

 

[constrictedvoid]

Does the environment determine the facial skeleton?

I have not studied that at all and won't confidently state either way. I have a great facial skeleton according to people who have looked into it a bit more than I have, so I'm not bothering with it too much.

My guess would be yes, but I don't know.

My comment was referring to him so confidently stating his only problem is his genetics, even though I doubt he knows this definitively to be true. Anecdotally, my own acne is heavily under the influence of my sleep, diet, light exposure, activity and a few other factors. I'm sure I'm genetically more prone to have acne than some other people, but in practice I don't have acne. Maybe dante is more prone to be skinny, that doesn't mean he can't gain some muscle mass. Maybe he's more prone to having hair loss, that doesn't mean he can't take action with meds+hair transplant or put on a wig as a last resort. Maybe he's more prone to poor facial development, maybe his early life development played a role in that, maybe not(I kinda wish I could say anything definitive about that now), maybe he can still do something non-surgical about that, maybe it needs surgery, and is so deformed it's justified, maybe he can compensate with other factors that are currently still possible to influence(like body composition).

The helpless attitude of "omg genetics" brings you nowhere, and unless you definitively know all your problems are completely unrelated to your current or past lifestyle, it's profoundly silly as well.

Not trying to be hateful or insulting here btw, I understand your situation is hard, Dante. Don't give up, unless you feel happy that way.

 

[constrictedvoid]

No, but confidence surely does.

You're avoiding my question again, Dante.

What factors have you isolated making you ugly?
What are you doing to fix them currently?
What have you tried in the past?
What are your future plans to fix these factors?

 

[constrictedvoid]

No, I have only "studied" the shitty experiences and rejections I suffered thoughout the years, I've been mocked countless times for my appearance, even publicly. I was ugly even before hair loss, you can't possibly fight genetics. Facial bone structure (and bone structure in general) can't be fixed, if you're not blessed it's over.

You're again stating it's an entirely genetic issue, even after admitting you have not studied it.

I doubt you'll do it, but if you trust me with it, I'd love for you to PM me a pic just for me to get an impression of what you look like. I'm very curious if you are legitimately facially deformed or if things are quite salvageable.

 

[constrictedvoid]

Sorry, but your impression doesn't matter at all. Only the opinion of women counts, and that's quite clear, my experiences can't be possibly mistaken, and I am not delusional. They consider me subhuman trash and have always rejected me because of my appearance. I'm a bald, short, skinny incel with an ugly face, I'm pretty fucked. I wish I was gay, I wouldn't have to deal with those hypocritical picky sl*ts.

Since you won't respond to my questions about your aesthetics flaws(the only ones I know of are short(not fixable), balding(maybe fixable), skinny(fixable). Maybe you can try tindering in Latin America, just use a fake GPS app. I tried Italy and found my matchrate to be lower than here or in the US, so I suppose Italian women are uniquely harsh. Or some other place, then maybe take a trip there, or even move. Though I think if you consider this, you should do it while trying to address some of your flaws simultaneously. Other than that, I can't really tell you much, without you responding to my questions. You can try VR p**rn and hookers, maybe. And if your general state was better you might have a higher level of general life contentment even while being incel. Good luck in any case!

And to clarify once and for all, I'm not telling you to "be confident". I'm telling you to improve your overall health and where needed do surgical procedures to improve your aesthetics, as I recognize aesthetics is a major factor in attracting women, probably the biggest one.

 

[constrictedvoid]

You want to know my aesthetic flaws: I'll tell you the most "important" ones:


-I'm short
-I'm balding (Norwood 4, severe recession)
-crooked teeth and bad skin
-dark circles and swollen face
-I'm a skinny ectomorph
-asymmetrical face, no good facial features, (e.g. huge forehead, very big nose)

Gain muscle mass, maybe lose body fat. Put on a wig. Go to a dentist/orthodontist. Work on systemic health to less dark circles and facial edema. Look into various facial surgeries. Try various drugs to fix skin if better general health doesn't do the trick.
Maybe you'll go from a 3 to a 5, or whatever. You'll probably never "slay" hot girls, but I'm almost sure you can get yourself to a point of not being hideous(assuming you are now).

 

[constrictedvoid]

For god's sake, I hope for your sake that you never end up deformed because of an accident.

We'll see how much your muscle mass helps you after that.

I'm not denying facial aesthetics are far more important. But facial aesthetics are influenced by body fat levels. And muscle mass is always a plus, how big of a plus, that varies.
Also, did I state anywhere that he should not work on his face and even consider surgery if he's very deformed? No.

 

[nameless]

No, I have only "studied" the shitty experiences and rejections I suffered thoughout the years, I've been mocked countless times for my appearance, even publicly. I was ugly even before hair loss, you can't possibly fight genetics. Facial bone structure (and bone structure in general) can't be fixed, if you're not blessed it's over.

You want to know my aesthetic flaws: I'll tell you the most "important" ones:


-I'm short
-I'm balding (Norwood 4, severe recession)
-crooked teeth and bad skin
-dark circles and swollen face
-I'm a skinny ectomorph
-asymmetrical face, no good facial features, (e.g. huge forehead, very big nose)

They are getting closer and closer to treatments for so many things, including cosmetic things. And you may not need all of these cosmetic problems cured in order to feel somewhat better. Each cosmetic problem you get solved makes you feel a little bit better.

Did you know they can already make people taller by some inches? They break the patient's leg bones and then stretch the patient's leg bones. More and more guys are already doing it. Most men can EASILY gain a few inches but it does take a few months to complete the process and there are risks. And there is always the cheaper option - elevator shoes can give you some inches of believable height. And elevator shoes aren't like hairpieces because it's very doubtful you would get caught wearing elevator shoes. I'm 5'9 and when I have my hair I do great with women so my present problem is not my height. It's my hair. But I would be willing to wear up to 3 inch elevator shoes and go to a club with you if we both got our hair back. I wouldn't mind wearing elevator shoes because nobody is going to catch me.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/york-man-grows-inches-surgery/story?id=15776730

http://www.odditycentral.com/news/g...g-trend-in-the-world-of-cosmetic-surgery.html

 

[N003]

You want to know my aesthetic flaws: I'll tell you the most "important" ones:


-I'm short
-I'm balding (Norwood 4, severe recession)
-crooked teeth and bad skin
-dark circles and swollen face
-I'm a skinny ectomorph
-asymmetrical face, no good facial features, (e.g. huge forehead, very big nose)

There are guys with who fucked much more in their life:

http://sendvid.com/fvcnyi22