" Sorry, I'm Not Into Bald Guys. You Should Try Approaching A Bald Woman."

[Afro_Vacancy]

This from Fred! The man who has had more cosmetic surgery than Pamela Anderson.

Your hair, teeth, eyes, skin and breasts aren't natural. You have terrible genes yourself. Without cosmetic surgery you'd be just like Dante. Less of this Hitler talk please.

It's indeed hypocritical and irrational given how Fred has extensively discussed getting better treatment from women since these operations.

 

[CopeForLife]

A real woman would rather be with this guy:

I think 12 year old girls might prefer the guy wit the hair though.

Between real woman (the one after 80kg or 3-rd child probably) and 12yo (wtf? how is it even relevant) there are vast majority of normal girls who just not attracted to cueballs or man who try hard to compensate ugly subhuman face (it is impossible).

AESTHETIC is everything. Facial is necessity, out of discussion. Frame – V tape and broad shoulders (bone structure) is secondary (the less woman attractive the more the "value" muscles).

You cannot be aesthetic with ugly face.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Between real woman (the one after 80kg or 3-rd child probably) and 12yo (wtf? how is it even relevant) there are vast majority of normal girls who just not attracted to cueballs or man who try hard to compensate ugly subhuman face (it is impossible).

AESTHETIC is everything. Facial is necessity, out of discussion. Frame – V tape and broad shoulders (bone structure) is secondary (the less woman attractive the more the "value" muscles).

You cannot be aesthetic with ugly face.

By real woman I mean adult woman.

12-17 year-old girls tend to only care about face, and be attracted to twinks. For them, Justin Bieber might be the sexiest man alive, or the Hanson brothers, or Chace Crawford or whoever the f*** else. When I was in grade 7, the "cutest guy" in my class was also the shortest one. He had a good face, really good face, but he was short, and teenage girls don't care as much about masculinity. That guy grew up to be ~5'2 and I promise you that he's not the hottest man in any group of 20 men ever.

Robert Pattinson, with his nice face and his spaghetti arms, was chosen to be the object of female fantasy in Twilight:

He's certainly above average to females of all ages, but he is perfection to 12 year-old girls in a way that he won't be to 25 year-old women.

The version of Twilight that was made for women, called "Fifty Shades of Grey", had Jamie Dorman as its male lead. He has facial hair, and he does not have spaghetti arms:

Note that he was the last-minute second choice selection for the role. The first choice was Charlie Hunman who is even more physical.

Once girls become women, between the ages of 18-25 is when that transition happens, they'll prefer men who look like men, who have chest hair, arm hair, broad shoulders, strength, power, and height.

I'm not claiming to be Usain Bolt or Ben Affleck. I'm not. But that's the way it is.

If Robert Pattinson wants a continuing career as his earlier female fans transition from being girls to being women, he will have to do as Justin Bieber did, and bulk up.

A case study to this is Leonardo DiCaprio, he never bulked up, instead he transitioned to being an actor that appeals to men (Inception, The Wolf of Wall Street, The Departed, etc). That has worked out to him. I hated him when I was 12 as 12-year-old girls thought he was "hottest guy alive", we don't hear that about him anymore, but I think he's great because he's one of the best male actors of his generation.

 

[CopeForLife]

No one is arguing about that beauty is subjective. It is true.

It is subjective about:
1. who is better Lachowski or O'Pry (prime Lachowski of course)
2. blond haired handsome guy or dark haired handsome guy
3. Robert Patisson or Jamie Dorman

BUT

It is NOT subjective about who is more attractive haired man or cueball. Not subjective who is more handsome – hairy Jamie Dorman or bald dominant confident Larry David.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

No one is arguing about that beauty is subjective. It is true.

It is subjective about:
1. who is better Lachowski or O'Pry (prime Lachowski of course)
2. blond haired handsome guy or dark haired handsome guy
3. Robert Patisson or Jamie Dorman

BUT

It is NOT subjective about who is more attractive haired man or cueball. Not subjective who is more handsome – hairy Jamie Dorman or bald dominant confident Larry David.

If a genie popped out of the bottle gave me the choice between a perfect aesthetic physique (like Chris Hemsworth below the neck) or a perfect aesthetic face (like Chris Hemsworth above the neck) I choose the first option ten times out of ten. Better identity, more success in the workplace and respect from peers, more respect from other men, better health, more lust from women, and better sex.

But if you're in high school and appealing to 13 year-old girls, it is the case that "face is everything".

 

[CopeForLife]

If a genie popped out of the bottle gave me the choice between a perfect aesthetic physique (like Chris Hemsworth below the neck) or a perfect aesthetic face (like Chris Hemsworth above the neck) I choose the first option ten times out of ten. Better identity, more success in the workplace and respect from peers, more respect from other men, better health, more lust from women, and better sex.

But if you're in high school and appealing to 13 year-old girls, it is the case that "face is everything".

You got body, going to the bar with your amazing physique and shiny cueball on top of it.

Approaching hot girl, starting a conversation and get immediately response:
"Sorry, I'm Not Into Bald Guys. You Should Try Approaching A Bald Woman."

what do

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

You got body, going to the bar with your amazing physique and shiny cueball on top of it.

Approaching hot girl, starting a conversation and get immediately response:
"Sorry, I'm Not Into Bald Guys. You Should Try Approaching A Bald Woman."

what do

With a good physique, height, and a high FWHR, baldness is a much lesser curse.

Some woman might still no, but many of those would suddenly no longer care about baldness.

Anyway -- we've exhausted this conversation.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

I would choose face every time.

Do an experiment,

Of the 5 or 6 best-looking women I know, only one is dating a twink.

In general, when I see a beautiful woman in the outside world, I check to see if she has a man sometimes to gauge the market. Almost always, the man has a terrific physique. Sometimes, he's bald.

The most beautiful celebrities? All of them are with men with good physiques. Twinks rarely (never?) win sexiest man in the world.

For professional success, which matters more, look at the US Presidents. Barack Obama is 6'1 and was a great basketball player growing up. George Bush was running three miles under 21 minutes while being president. Bill Clinton was 6'3, had broad shoulders, and won a Rhodes Scholarship. Ronald Reagan was tall, had broad shoulders, and was a very good athlete.

You're supposed to be rational -- look at the patterns. Twinks do very well prior to age 20 or 25, after that they are superseded. They still do well but not as well as masculine men. No twink will ever be elected president. No twink will ever be considered sexiest man alive.

Tinder is all about profile photo. A good face will get you a first date. On that note: I've had several first dates on Tinder now, first dates are a secondary statistic. I reject your assumption that it's a meaningful statistic. IMO, it is only mildly meaningful.

I think it's much more meaningful to go in the outside world, and see that beautiful women, women with a lot of choices, are overwhelmingly with fit, athletic men of high social status -- that's not even up for debate. Alternatively you can listen to women, they'll tell you they like height, broad shoulders, strong hands, strong forearms, hairy forearms, nice butt, et cetera ... I've never (never) heard a woman say she values clear skin, lack of facial hair, and spaghetti arms. Alternatively you can even do scientific studies, and bring women into a laboratory and gauge their reactions, and measure that they react more positively to masculine men.

I mean, is it so hard to look at reality as it is?

 

[F2005]

I am not going to lie and say that muscles do not make a difference when attracting a woman because they absolutely do, to a certain degree. But nothing replaces a good headshot, and having a decent head of hair is integral in constructing a good headshot. I've been a weightlifter for most of my life but if I believed that toned muscles compensated for a decent head of hair, then I would not be on this forum. I've had ex-girlfriends compliment me on my muscles, yet I still feel terribly insecure about my hair loss. It's like my boys from the 80s rock band Cinderella say "you don't know what you got til it's gone". And virtual fullheads may assert that bald guys can get women just as well as fullheads, but when they start to reach real bald status (like NW4), I absolutely guarantee they'll be singing a different tune. I mean, why else would people with virtually full heads of hair be on a hair loss forum if they weren't worried about hair loss?

That muscular guy on page 9 of this thread probably could get a decent-looking woman despite his hair loss. Yet his kind of physique is so incredibly hard to attain. You've got to be EXTREMELY disciplined with your dieting and exercise to get that kind of physique. He is shredded like crazy. Yet the photo difference that Hellouser posted with the guy bad vs. the guy wearing the wig are like the difference between night and day. No amount of inner qualities or social status will compensate for that drastic change in looks.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

I am not going to lie and say that muscles do not make a difference when attracting a woman because they absolutely do, to a certain degree. But nothing replaces a good headshot, and having a decent head of hair is integral in constructing a good headshot. I've been a weightlifter for most of my life but if I believed that toned muscles compensated for a decent head of hair, then I would not be on this forum. I've had ex-girlfriends compliment me on my muscles, yet I still feel terribly insecure about my hair loss. It's like my boys from the 80s rock band Cinderella say "you don't know what you got til it's gone". And virtual fullheads may assert that bald guys can get women just as well as fullheads, but when they start to reach real bald status (like NW4), I absolutely guarantee they'll be singing a different tune. I mean, why else would people with virtually full heads of hair be on a hair loss forum if they weren't worried about hair loss?

Well -- I probably shouldn't be here anymore.

1) With respect to muscles and hair loss, I'm not interested in taking 1 step forward and 1 step back. I'd rather take 2 steps forward. I think everybody would choose 2 steps forward over 1 step forward and 1 step back.

2) I came to this forum to learn about hair loss and potential treatments and I've reached a satisfactory equilibrium / situation. My current regimen (really minoxidil + RU) should be great in the short-term. In the medium-term I want to know the results from Brotzu and setipiprant and maybe try Swoop's lotion, and also get a hair transplant. I've arrived at a good plan. I got what I wanted from HairLossTalk.com.

3) With that said I'm probably past diminishing marginal returns on this site. I've been addicted to message boards for a very long time, dealing with politics, video games, movies, sports, et cetera. All of those topics are boring me recently.

My favourite sports team (the Montreal Canadiens) are managed by morons and it's hard to care, the Olympics in Brazil are probably going to give us stories of athletes being stabbed so it's hard to care about that too. US federal politics should be interesting, but it's a vote between corruption and war crimes and bufoonery and bigotry so it's depressing. Hollywood is now only making comic book movies about stopping the end of the world. I no longer play video games.

I guess I'm addicted to coming here, there's a shining red flag on white background accelerating my dopamine when I get a new response. I'd probably benefit from a break at this point as a lot of the discussions are exhausted. I can come back in a few months and find out the release date of Brotzu's formulation and what the expected effectiveness will be (i.e. 3 years of regrowth + maintenance).

I don't actually benefit from writing all of these post. I might benefit in the same way that Fred does -- clarifying my thinking -- but that ignores opportunity cost.

 

[F2005]

Well -- I probably shouldn't be here anymore.

1) With respect to muscles and hair loss, I'm not interested in taking 1 step forward and 1 step back. I'd rather take 2 steps forward. I think everybody would choose 2 steps forward over 1 step forward and 1 step back.

2) I came to this forum to learn about hair loss and potential treatments and I've reached a satisfactory equilibrium / situation. My current regimen (really minoxidil + RU) should be great in the short-term. In the medium-term I want to know the results from Brotzu and setipiprant and maybe try Swoop's lotion, and also get a hair transplant. I've arrived at a good plan. I got what I wanted from HairLossTalk.com.

3) With that said I'm probably past diminishing marginal returns on this site. I've been addicted to message boards for a very long time, dealing with politics, video games, movies, sports, et cetera. All of those topics are boring me recently.

My favourite sports team (the Montreal Canadiens) are managed by morons and it's hard to care, the Olympics in Brazil are probably going to give us stories of athletes being stabbed so it's hard to care about that too. US federal politics should be interesting, but it's a vote between corruption and war crimes and bufoonery and bigotry so it's depressing. Hollywood is now only making comic book movies about stopping the end of the world. I no longer play video games.

I guess I'm addicted to coming here, there's a shining red flag on white background accelerating my dopamine when I get a new response. I'd probably benefit from a break at this point as a lot of the discussions are exhausted. I can come back in a few months and find out the release date of Brotzu's formulation and what the expected effectiveness will be (i.e. 3 years of regrowth + maintenance).

I don't actually benefit from writing all of these post. I might benefit in the same way that Fred does -- clarifying my thinking -- but that ignores opportunity cost.

Holy crap did you respond quickly to my post!! Within a minute!! David, you're a good guy and my post wasn't directed at you. I view you as an intelligent and impartial guy. And we actually agree on most things. I think we both agree that although muscles do actually help in attracting a woman, they cannot replace a good "facial portrait", of which a full head of hair is integral. I mean, I love to lift weights and I cannot imagine myself ever quitting lifting weights. But if any of us thought that a muscular physique truly compensated for a full head of hair, then I don't think any of us would be on this forum. Kind of interesting how you like the Canadiens too, since you live all the way in Australia. Despite being from the US, I kind of like the Canadian teams because true hockey really originated in Canada.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Good-looking guys with twink bodies take it all. With 0 effort on his part. No hours in the gym, no insane discipline.

At every level I've been in life, in every environment, the men with the most success with women have usually been very athletic.

The 5'2 guy I mentioned had very good hand-eye coordination, and the players on the basketball team did well. Later on, one guy I was jealous of when I was 18, 19 lifted weights regularly, and was one of the top soccer players his age in Canada, he seemed to average a girlfriend a month. Around that time one guy went out with the three hottest women in my program in the space of two years, he had good hair, blue eyes, smart, had good social skills, and was lifting weights every morning and had a sharply-defined six pack.

At a later point in university, an athlete was the most successful person I knew with women, he didn't lift weights but he played a lot of competitive soccer (different guy) and has a natural build. Recently he started lifting weights and taking testosterone injections, that's when he met up with his fiancee.

There's one exception, one guy, was merely slim and 6'0, had an IQ of 150+ with a lot of confidence and drive though which is high enough for personality to be magnetic. He did a PhD in neuroscience, now works at google, his starting salary was 250,000/year, and yes he was getting ladies back when he was working-class. Actually, now that I think about it I know a second guy like that, so two exceptions, has had a few dozen women, he's 5'8, and obese, used to dress poorly and smell bad but he's tremendously intelligent and driven, he was poor back then but by now it's obvious he's going to be a self-made millionaire. When he was a poor student, he was regularly having sex with lots of attractive women. I think there might be an intelligence premium but only for exceptionally high intelligence (~150+). Interestingly, though neither is muscular, both these guys have exceptionally good hand-eye coordination.

Of the most desirable women I know:
- 1 is dating a rugby player from a rich family who has few interests out of weightlifting and expensive restaurants. She tells me he's really nice;
- 1 is married to a tall, hairy, strong, bald guy;
- 1 is with a bald guy but I don't know anything about him;
- 1 is with a man who looks like a male version of her;

It's like you expect to become this high-respected rockstar because you work out. Not going to happen. You're going to have to come down someday.

I've never written anything about being a rockstar. You shouldn't put words in people's mouth, it's a sign of weakness on your part.

FWIW, if I want to be "respected" in the sense that matters, I have one path in my opinion:
- Significant professional achievement, I will need to discover and identify more phenomena, and do so several times, and successfully claim credit;
- Need to present decently, not exceptionally well, but good enough, no double chin, clean clothes, no stupid or rude comments, good manners, good hygiene;

 

[CopeForLife]

lol @ implying that broad shoulders/waist ratio something you can achieve in gym

it is genetical

 

[CopeForLife]

Exactly; for example, on top of being bald, I'm also a skinny ectomorph, with small wrists and narrow shoulders. I can't possibly achieve any gains.

it is me

imagine going to gym with these genetic recomb and see robust wide shouldered chads with wrists 1.5 times more than mine with full heads (end it)

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Holy crap did you respond quickly to my post!! Within a minute!! David, you're a good guy and my post wasn't directed at you. I view you as an intelligent and impartial guy. And we actually agree on most things. I think we both agree that although muscles do actually help in attracting a woman, they cannot replace a good "facial portrait", of which a full head of hair is integral. I mean, I love to lift weights and I cannot imagine myself ever quitting lifting weights. But if any of us thought that a muscular physique truly compensated for a full head of hair, then I don't think any of us would be on this forum. Kind of interesting how you like the Canadiens too, since you live all the way in Australia. Despite being from the US, I kind of like the Canadian teams because true hockey really originated in Canada.

I'm originally from Montreal, actually. The Habs are part of my blood.

I moved to Australia because it offered me the best job after PhD, slightly edging out a position in Switzerland that was also offered to me. In a month, I'm moving to the USA. I'm currently trying to lose weight as fast as possible and get good pictures by any means necessary in the hope that I'll have a few good ones when I move and set up new online dating profiles. I also need to set up first impressions at work, first impressions last so that means looking good, dressing well, showing up early, leaving late, making intelligent comments, contributing, remembering people's names, etc.

I can't lift weights right now due to an injury though, which really sucks. I miss the pleasure of lifting weights. There are few things more fabulous than the post-workout pump. Sometimes I feel grim going to the gym, but I always feel great coming out. I hope to be back in the gym by October. I miss it. I might do a 3 or 4 day fast this week instead.

Strength doesn't compensate for hair, but also hair doesn't compensate for strength. Yes, women compromise when they are with bald men. They also compromise when they are with weak men. Given the choice between spaghetti arms and masculine arms, they'd rather be picked up by masculine arms. But separate from that you have to consider your self-image and your health.

The first thing I do in the morning is pick up some underwear and go to the bathroom to take a shower. I'd rather see a vigorous man in the mirror than a weak one.

 

[CopeForLife]

Topic name is:
"Sorry, I'm Not Into Bald Guys. You Should Try Approaching A Bald Woman."

B A L D

But gymcels tell problem is in body...

It is like tell rejected obese landwhale woman that problem is not in her FAT but in her POSTURE

indeed your mentality is shifted and impacted by gymcel cope

She didn't tell that she isn't into NON-MUSCULAR GUYS

She told B A L D

 

[blackg]

Yeah, BALD.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Lots of coping here, and a clear lack of life experience and understanding how human relationships work.

Showing up early, leaving late, making intelligent comments, contributing, remembering people? You think that's going to make a difference?

It won't. People don't give a sh*t about those, they give a sh*t about whether they like you or not, and that is genetically determined.

You're either compatible with certain people or you're not. I can see that at my workplace right now.

I work half of the time with one team, half of the time with another. I behave exactly the same with both teams.

You know, trying to be nice, making intelligent comments as you say, doing my part.

Yet one team looks at me like I'm dirt, and the other (that I've been working with for only a month) enjoys my presence and treats me well. We immediately got along.

Yet I'm the same person to both teams? How do you explain the difference in treatment? Genetic compatibility, and it's no surprise here.

One team is made of people who've never been to university, they don't know much about IT and spend their time smoking, betting on sports (yes) and gossiping.

The other team? They have a background that's similar to mine, and they usually focus on their work instead of talking about how the new guy looks like a pervert. I get them, and they get me.

You can have a pitch-perfect behavior and be the best man you can be around some people, and they'll still think you're a moron. It happens all the time, people who are nice, trying to do their best at their workplace, yet get next to nothing in return, just contempt.

As I often say, life is about finding people who are on your team. And that's what I'm trying to do, people I don't get along with, nothing is going to change their mind.

Lots of coping here, and a clear lack of life experience and understanding how human relationships work.

You clearly have not had a lot of jobs nor been in a lot of environments. That's fine. In time you will understand.

As for your two teams, Fred, you're a guy with moderate Asperger's, a university degree, who attracts attention to himself, and above-average intelligence. The guys who are into sports, betting, and smoking won't like you unless you are able to fit in in both the jock and the nerd worlds. Intermediate jocks hate nerds. It takes a lot of ability and social skills to fit in in both worlds, I don't have it personally and I'm not surprised neither do you.

When the smoking, gambling types see a moderate Asperger's guy who attracts attention to himself like you walks in, and work, they will immediately not like you. I've been there. When I was 20 I worked as a mining engineering intern in a gold mine. Many (not most) of the labourers were awful to me, it's in part due to resentment. They have limited earning potential and it requires breaking their bones, mining engineers eventually sit at a desk, make good money, and become the boss. Another guy I interned with had no problem, but he had spent a lot of time in that environment and so he knew how to speak like them and because he had worked a similar job previously, he knew how to use the equipment, etc. Two of the Chinese guys did well, they knew how to be "socially invisible" and so they got along with people and any ribbing they got was playful. The fact they were Chinese necessarily put them at a lower social level, but they accepted it with a smile and that endeared them to a crowd calling them Jackie Chan and Bruce Lee. If they had argued, it would have been hell for them. It was pretty pleasant for them in the end. That's called people skills.

[Being middle eastern, my nickname was Saddam Hussein (much less exciting than Bruce Lee), I took it because I couldn't be bothered to argue, but it would have been better if I had smiled in acknowledgment].

You say you behave exactly the same with both teams, but that's part of the problem. They're two different teams, two different social landscapes. The same screwdriver won't work on two different screws. It's not just about having a multifaceted personality, it's about having the empathy to see where different people are coming from and what their different motivations might be.

Circling back to the guy who did very well in that environment, he also spoke with a different accent and a different vocabulary around those guys, and he didn't discuss the same topics.

 

[cocohot]

If women still rejected me after all these surgeries, I would still give up.

These surgeries didn't enhance my looks, they made me look like I'm supposed to look.

Normal.

No. The surgeries masked your inferior genes. Teeth, skin, hair, breasts and eyes.


You're supposed to look ugly. Fred should be an NW5, glasses wearing, crooked toothed, acne ridden man with breasts. You overcame that with surgery.

Yet you said:

If it is hard for you to get laid, and you need to spend years in the gym and countless rejections to get there, it means you should not be allowed to get laid.

Translation: women don't want your genes. Accept it and move on. And please stop embarrassing yourself by trying to act "alpha" at bars.

You have terrible genes. And tbh you seem to be trying to act "alpha" in this thread, being aggressive and putting other people down.

 

[cocohot]

You can only be yourself unfortunately, don't you know this already?

Adapting to others is never going to work, tried that before many times, always failed.

It's not people skills, I really think people get along or not based on a predetermined compatibility.

I believe we're animals at the core, I know it sounds cliche but, how else are you going to explain the situations I've mentioned?

I don't think I have Asperger at all, I'm just very sensitive, which immediately allows me to know if I'm hitting it off with someone or not.

You can't fool me in that department. Unfortunately, it will also make me want to avoid negative emotions as much as I can.

I see being highly-sensitive as both a blessing and a curse. The people I get along with, I get along with them extremely well.

My relationships with women usually work very well too.

What you've seen as mining engineering, I've seen it many times, lower-class, less intelligent people throwing jokes and insults at each other, and looking at you like you're a complete weirdo because you can't behave like that.

I can smell the fakeness all over the place. These people never have strong and meaningful relationships. They lack self-awareness and rarely reflect on what they're doing. I want nothing to do with that kind of people.

There's no use trying to integrate their world, you know they will never appreciate you no matter what you do or say, right?

It's not an ability, it's just impossible to do. I mean, look around you, people always stick to their own "kind".

The fox and the grapes?

The ability to get along with all types of people is the essence of social skills. There's an incredibly famous poem called "if" by Rudyard Kipling that specifically mentions this. I've bolded the line:

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!