This Whole Thing Reminds Me Of Racism And Discrimination

[hairblues]

@WhitePolarBear @CaptainForehead @Dante92

I'm just curious why does it take all 3 of you to go at @samantha3333 ?

@CaptainForehead can defend himself fine if he felt slighted.

I think you make him look 'weak' as if he cant follow up with Sam on his own--which he did

So you kind of look like a bunch of bored dick heads looking to pounce on a fight with anyone to vent your irritability (not you @CaptainForehead)


As a side note I do notice @CaptainForehead has a habit of correcting peoples grammar and spelling---I don't think he means it to be offensive--BUT having been on the receiving end of it early on, I misjudged him when he first did it to me that he was being a 'jerk' to me for no real reason.
So Captain I would be mindful of it, that it comes off very obnoxious.
If you don't care--then you don't care but if you are feeling like Samantha is going at you for no real reason--I know from experience I had felt you were being passive aggressive to me also when you would critique my spelling/grammar.

 

[Dante92]

@WhitePolarBear @CaptainForehead @Dante92

I'm just curious why does it take all 3 of you to go at @samantha3333 ?

@CaptainForehead can defend himself fine if he felt slighted.

Because we're on the same boat, and he's our Captain. Good sailors follow their Captain. @WhitePolarBear @CaptainForehead

Part of the ship. Part of the crew.

 

[hairblues]

People say it's racism, I believe it's BS, it's mostly looks.

Would people treat you like that if you looked like Amir Kahn?

Do you think good-looking blacks, Arabs, Hispanics are ever ostracized?

It's totally normal that people won't seek your friendship if you're just average.

And if you're below average or ugly, most people subconsciously want to avoid being seen and associated with ugly (read low value) people.

But you don't think there are some differences between races that make some want to stay wth 'like'?

If your GF had dated a few black man before dating you, would you not feel a little 'odd' about it? Resentful even?

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

If your GF had dated a few black man before dating you, would you not feel a little 'odd' about it? Resentful even?

Why would he feel odd about that?

 

[Dench57]

Why would he feel odd about that?

cos Fred ain't packin that kinda heat

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

cos Fred ain't packin that kinda heat

Good point.

 

[hairblues]

Why would he feel odd about that?

when slavary in USA was abolished white men became obsessed with fear and anger towards black men that they would want to rape their women (black men to white women). In To Kill A Mockingbird I think they touch on this subject a bit if i remember correctly.

I know he is in Europe but some of what he says about things give me impression he would not be okay with it--I can be wrong.

check out these 'non racist' guys take on it.

https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/woman-who-has-slept-with-black-guys/

 

[SmoothSailing]

when slavary in USA was abolished white men became obsessed with fear and anger towards black men that they would want to rape their women (black men to white women). In To Kill A Mockingbird I think they touch on this subject a bit if i remember correctly.

I know he is in Europe but some of what he says about things give me impression he would not be okay with it--I can be wrong.

check out these 'non racist' guys take on it.

https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/woman-who-has-slept-with-black-guys/

MGTOW mightn't be racist but their views on women and relationships are quite fucked.

I mean look at the first reply.

No. Most of the women who sleep with black men are, themselves, racist. They have a subconscious awareness of this & think that by sleeping with a black man, it proves they are not racist.
This thinking pattern makes perfect sense to a woman

What a cope. "They're the ones that are racist for sleeping with black guys, I'm not racist for not sleeping with them because of it".

On the other hand I don't want to hear about anyone she's slept with before me, especially not some big masculine dude.

 

[hairblues]

MGTOW mightn't be racist but their views on women and relationships are quite fucked.

I mean look at the first reply.

No. Most of the women who sleep with black men are, themselves, racist. They have a subconscious awareness of this & think that by sleeping with a black man, it proves they are not racist.
This thinking pattern makes perfect sense to a woman

What a cope. "They're the ones that are racist for sleeping with black guys, I'm not racist for not sleeping with them because of it".

On the other hand I don't want to hear about anyone she's slept with before me, especially not some big masculine dude.

yeah it was funny the guy starts out he is NOT a racist then you skip down and read more of his comments...its like you sure about that buddy? lol.

i think most people have racial bias to some degree. I think it's okay to have some bias IF you are self aware you are doing it because the more self aware we are the less we listen to our subconscious on these things.
These complete denials I'm always suspicious of them.

 

[SmoothSailing]

yeah it was funny the guy starts out he is NOT a racist then you skip down and read more of his comments...its like you sure about that buddy? lol.

i think most people have racial bias to some degree. I think it's okay to have some bias IF you are self aware you are doing it because the more self aware we are the less we listen to our subconscious on these things.
These complete denials I'm always suspicious of them.

I've always thought the better way to talk against racism is to focus on telling people to treat individuals individually.

Maybe you think people from another race are more likely to be criminals, or are less intelligent etc. You might be wrong and should always be open to arguing, but what you should focus on is not letting this view of the average person of another race change how you treat an individual of another race. This applies to more than just race, gender, nationality etc.

Instead of focusing on equality of outcome (eg. hiring equal people of different races), focus on equality of opportunity (eg. hire a person based solely on their ability to do the job and don't factor in race whatsoever).

 

[SmoothSailing]

As if women could control who they're sexually attracted to, no matter their race.

It's hard to relate to what those men write when you're not as disadvantaged and frustrated as they are.

I can understand their pain, to me, they're like the guys on sluthate, a lot of them will be below-average, short, not masculine, balding, overweight, etc.

The dating scene is tough these days as you're virtually competing with the whole world, and these men often never stood a chance.

I'm sorry but a 5'6 man can't forget about a happy, solid and lasting relationship these days. And that's just one example.

These men, instead of accepting the reality that they are where they are because of the fierce competition around them.

According to them, women abuse them, divorce them, are the incarnation of evil.

Nonsense, they let the women they had in their lives do this to them.

None of this would ever happen with my girlfriend because she knows I would never accept it.

You tell others how they should treat, you're supposed to be setting your boundaries, because if you don't, you can't be sure that you'll be a pushover.

And then you end up like these men: "It's all women's fault!" Nope, you let them do this to you.

I'm sure there are some that "let women do this to them". But I believe most MGTOW are really MSTOW (Men sent their own way), like you say short, bald, fat or ugly guys. Whom really don't have a chance to either get women or not be abused by them if they do get a relationship.

I feel sorry for these guys and find it hard to criticize them for their bitterness. But as you say, their hatred towards women is really just an inability to accept their current position. They are substituting hatred for sadness. I tend to do this myself sometimes when I've been really down.

I used to hang around a bit in /r/MGTOW (despite never actually giving up on women), but their views were to ideological and biased.

"And then you end up like these men: "It's all women's fault!" Nope, you let them do this to you."

"She took half my sh*t" - You signed a contract allowing her to take half your sh*t you moron.

 

[hairblues]

As if women could control who they're sexually attracted to, no matter their race.

It's hard to relate to what those men write when you're not as disadvantaged and frustrated as they are.

I can understand their pain, to me, they're like the guys on sluthate, a lot of them will be below-average, short, not masculine, balding, overweight, etc.

The dating scene is tough these days as you're virtually competing with the whole world, and these men often never stood a chance.

I'm sorry but a 5'6 man can't forget about a happy, solid and lasting relationship these days. And that's just one example.

These men, instead of accepting the reality that they are where they are because of the fierce competition around them.

According to them, women abuse them, divorce them, are the incarnation of evil.

Nonsense, they let the women they had in their lives do this to them.

None of this would ever happen with my girlfriend because she knows I would never accept it.

You tell others how they should treat, you're supposed to be setting your boundaries, because if you don't, you can't be sure that you'll be a pushover.

And then you end up like these men: "It's all women's fault!" Nope, you let them do this to you.

Our biological purpose and drive is to 'mate'...basically to have sex lol

especially men--this is why i think men are more forgiving of looks of women then vice versa that you speak of because men 'need' to mate in a different way then women.

so if men are not getting 'it' no matter what they do--i think its like 'toxic'--add that to things like a possible low IQ or low interests bad social skills (no friends) warped Ideology of various kinds--you have a recipe for a disaster.

I think men who are driven by other interests do much better in life if they are not having sex...and if men are 'low' sex drive--I think it effects them even less other than the social stigma of not having a GF or mate which i am sure is painful.

But I think same is said for women also I think women who have been rejected or passed over or never felt like they were 'enough' can go down a dark road of resentment.

 

[hairblues]

This, I told my girlfriend that if we get married, it will be imperative that we both keep our financial independence.

We can open a common account to which we'll both contribute but that's it.

We know that humans need rules and incentives to be kept on their toes.

In the end, you can't trust anyone but yourself. Don't ever put yourself in a situation where another person basically owns your balls.

I guess these MGTOW guys who got divorce rape weren't mature enough to know this when they sign their contract.

here you can sign a pre nup..even if you don't have anything yet you can write a contract with a lawyer about future earnings and assets.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

As if women could control who they're sexually attracted to, no matter their race.

It's hard to relate to what those men write when you're not as disadvantaged and frustrated as they are.

I can understand their pain, to me, they're like the guys on sluthate, a lot of them will be below-average, short, not masculine, balding, overweight, etc.

The dating scene is tough these days as you're virtually competing with the whole world, and these men often never stood a chance.

I'm sorry but a 5'6 man can't forget about a happy, solid and lasting relationship these days. And that's just one example.

These men, instead of accepting the reality that they are where they are because of the fierce competition around them.

According to them, women abuse them, divorce them, are the incarnation of evil.

Nonsense, they let the women they had in their lives do this to them.

None of this would ever happen with my girlfriend because she knows I would never accept it.

You tell others how they should treat, you're supposed to be setting your boundaries, because if you don't, you can't be sure that you'll be a pushover.

And then you end up like these men: "It's all women's fault!" Nope, you let them do this to you.

Deeply insightful post.

The historical root of racism in the USA is to placate poor white men, by showing them another group lower than them.

You're saying here that it can placate white men of low sexual value. Same idea, different vector.

 

[Baldingat188]

I've always thought the better way to talk against racism is to focus on telling people to treat individuals individually.

Maybe you think people from another race are more likely to be criminals, or are less intelligent etc. You might be wrong and should always be open to arguing, but what you should focus on is not letting this view of the average person of another race change how you treat an individual of another race. This applies to more than just race, gender, nationality etc.

Instead of focusing on equality of outcome (eg. hiring equal people of different races), focus on equality of opportunity (eg. hire a person based solely on their ability to do the job and don't factor in race whatsoever).

Yea that's the problem , it doesn't usually happen this way. Sometimes companies start hiring all kinds of mixed races just for the sake of diversity even if they are less qualified . I'm all for diversity but I find it stupid. Let's just focus on what matters not skin color. But that's never how it goes .

 

[hairblues]

Yea that's the problem , it doesn't usually happen this way. Sometimes companies start hiring all kinds of mixed races just for the sake of diversity even if they are less qualified . I'm all for diversity but I find it stupid. Let's just focus on what matters not skin color. But that's never how it goes .

i think that started to try and even the playing field in 70s, 80s, 90s.

I am not sure why its still happening--if its still necessary or even if its still legally required.

In small businesses you will definitely still have bias--if the owner is bias how can you not? But then it goes to why would you want to work for a mysogonist or a racist who does not want you there? but i guess some people have no other options.

but corporate America?--i don't know if its necessary i would think corporations are blind except to the color of green which is $$$/productivity. I could be wrong.

 

[Baldingat188]

I always found it hilarious one time I was filling out a job application and at the top of the page it says " we do not hire based on race"

First question - are you Hispanic or Latino ?

I kid you not lol . Idk I believe in equal opportunities and white people do have the advantage sometimes but I really wish race wasn't a factor at all . Should be about ability .

 

[hairblues]

Deeply insightful post.

The historical root of racism in the USA is to placate poor white men, by showing them another group lower than them.

You're saying here that it can placate white men of low sexual value. Same idea, different vector.

I don't know if I agree the historical 'root' is to placate poor white men.

Plenty of very wealthy men were racists.

It was an outlook as if they were savages and descended from savages and the idea of co mingling the races was what i think caused the sharp divide and fear.

It was a very similar out look to Indians/native Americans.

The root of racism is not just American..we had racism way before America was even an idea.

It was a conquering of others so therefore you are then 'owned' as property.

The racism that lingered after slavary was abolished was fear of descendants of 'savages' now being free. They were also mostly considered 'ugly' 'stupid/low IQ".

I think the fear was always the thought they would mix with the white blood. that they would be one day accepted as 'equals'
it would be to them like a 'horse' being considered an equal..to white racists they were animals.

That wanting to keep 'blood' pure did not originate with Hitler.

I think it probably goes back to days of Egypt and even Jewish/Hebrew slavary.

 

[karankaran]

Talking about racism and discrimination,

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.za/she...e-to-deny-white-men-the-franchise_a_22036640/

Yeah, an article talking about taking voting rights away from white men.

I am not even white and this seems pretty fucked up.

 

[hairblues]

Talking about racism and discrimination,

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.za/she...e-to-deny-white-men-the-franchise_a_22036640/

Yeah, an article talking about taking voting rights away from white men.

I am not even white and this seems pretty fucked up.

It's not an article it's an 'op-ed' and a stupid one, like fictional essay of 'what if'. Like a wet-dream fantasy of some pissed off feminist and you are giving it way too much attention and fear mongering.

It's not voting rights she is saying 'franchise' i have no idea what that even means.

Just looked it up she is talking about 'franchising' In South Africa...I am going to assume her appraroch is to deny 'franchise' opportunities to white males as a way to 'boost' the opportunities for people who were suppressed...Not really a rational appraoch--but I am curious how you read a stupid Op Ed and get scared of white men actually losing the right to vote? as if that was a research article of some legislation or movement?