This Whole Thing Reminds Me Of Racism And Discrimination

[hairblues]

Nope. All of those people were already angry prior to the tape. Those same people were largely ok with Paula Jones, gennifer flowers, etc.

Most were not alive with Paula Jones and Gennifer Flowers

Also Paula Jones was alleged--have you read up on the case--it was flimsy at best.

Gennifer Flowers was an affair--something she has spoken about many times
She regrets coming forward and has said on video many times that she loved Bill and was hurt and wanted to Hurt him by coming forward..
How many Presidents have had affairs? most
Now how many bragged about grabbing random womens genitals on audio tape that is authentic undoctored? Just one.
How many have a known mysogonist advising him and working for him on policy? just one.

I have never actually heard Clinton on tape--talking about Grabbing women by the genitals and being able to get away with it because he was famous.

I think you vastly (and probably are deliberately) underestimating how many women were 'woken up' by that tape to fury and rage.

NOT to add that its all moot as he was not running for President SHE was.

Has she been on tape talking about grabbing young hot mens balls and getting away with it because she was famous and powerful?

Please, mens balls would shrink everywhere if that had been the case.

 

[hairblues]

Reason and emotion tend to harmoniously support each other in nature and stable people. It's why we've evolved have both. It's also demonstrated by modern neuroscience. People with impaired emotions have a harder time making rational decisions.

I want to see the full package of people, not a subcomponent that doesn't even exist.

I like insight into how people think and react to ideas and thoughts.

You get this with observing their gut reactions to things. If they are worried about being right vs wrong or smart vs dumb--it's dull.

If you are getting responses that are stilted so they can do research or compose long thoughtful 'rational' essays..thats not a real conversation. It's then a debate for the sake of debating.

It't inauthentic to me.
It becomes about fabricating arguments to be 'right' or to 'win' a point with a clever 'jab'.

That's not an authentic discussion to me--it's not even particularly clever to me.

I prefer spontaneous discussions--like you have in person.

Otherwise I find it to be more about pontificating for the forum in general--like a performance.

 

[hairblues]

"Somebody completely unrelated to me said mean things!"

Some people really like to complain.

Virtue signaling.

You read that whole very detailed post and 'thats' your take away

Honestly, Bear you can do better than that.

You are deliberately dumbing yourself down on this subject.

 

[SmoothSailing]

Would we just say 'thats just locker talk' and dismiss it.

Yes. Well I would.

 

[hairblues]

Yes.

Bullshit. lol men would be sick to stomach if an old ugly fat woman in a position of power was caught on tape talking about sexually harassing young men genitals and being allowed to do so because of her power and fame.
Then her being elected leader of the free world.

Lets even flip it--lets say Trump said that about young men--you guys would be sick about it.

Keep it real now.

 

[SmoothSailing]

Bullshit. lol men would be sick to stomach if an old woman was caught on tape talking about sexually harassing young men genitals and being allowed to do so because of her power and fame.
Then her being elected leader of the free world.

Keep it real now.

No idea about "men" but I wouldn't give a f***. "Grab him by the dick" lol

 

[hairblues]

No idea about "men" but I wouldn't give a f***. "Grab him by the dick" lol

You know what--you actually may not give a sh*t because you have this libertarian and lack of hypocrisy doctrine you try to live by--BUT no way in Hell i would buy @Dante92 or @WhitePolarBear or many of the other guys being okay with it....I would find it intellectually dishonest if they were to say it would not bother them based on 99% of previous postings.


LOLOL I can picture them with their pink 'ball' caps screaming bloody murder in the streets if an old ugly fat nasty woman who bragged on tape about randomly using her power and influence to fondle young men's genitals without permission was then elected as leader of the free world.
They would feel TOTALLY emasculated if that happen.
I mean my God a stupid no name feminist gets an op ed piece in Huff Post and they feel victimized by the unfairness of it.

 

[SmoothSailing]

Most were not alive with Paula Jones and Gennifer Flowers

Also Paula Jones was alleged--have you read up on the case--it was flimsy at best.

Gennifer Flowers was an affair--something she has spoken about many times
She regrets coming forward and has said on video many times that she loved Bill and was hurt and wanted to Hurt him by coming forward..
How many Presidents have had affairs? most
Now how many bragged about grabbing random womens genitals on audio tape that is authentic undoctored? Just one.
How many have a known mysogonist advising him and working for him on policy? just one.

I have never actually heard Clinton on tape--talking about Grabbing women by the genitals and being able to get away with it because he was famous.

I think you vastly (and probably are deliberately) underestimating how many women were 'woken up' by that tape to fury and rage.

NOT to add that its all moot as he was not running for President SHE was.

Has she been on tape talking about grabbing young hot mens balls and getting away with it because she was famous and powerful?

Please, mens balls would shrink everywhere if that had been the case.

Do you not think that all this sh*t is just meaningless distractions from real issues? "Trump is racist...trump is sexist...", I'd rather people talk about his sh*t policies and lack of coherent views/values on nearly anything for a president.

 

[hairblues]

Do you not think that all this sh*t is just meaningless distractions from real issues? "Trump is racist...trump is sexist...", I'd rather people talk about his sh*t policies and lack of coherent views/values on nearly anything.

Personally it does not matter to me.
I could not stand the man since 1985..the tape to me is irrelevant--I KNEW what he was like I was not shocked--but I think a lot of people were genuinely shocked and appalled. Especially young women in 20s.

But it came up in conversation here--and if you look back you will see how it came about, the context of how the conversation evolved.

I think he is grossly inept for public office.
He has no real actual authentic policies.
I mean maybe one or two ideas about trade and immigration.
But nothing concrete he is taking a firm stand on.
He is not seeming to be a nationalist as people thought.
I think he is a hodgepodge of confusion.

 

[SmoothSailing]

Personally it does not matter to me.
I could not stand the man since 1985..the tape to me is irrelevant--I KNEW what he is like I was not shocked--but I think a lot of people were genuinely shocked and appalled. Especially young women in 20s.

But it came up in conversation here--and if you look back you will see how it came about, the context of how the conversation evolved.

I think he is grossly inept for public office.
He has no real actual authentic policies.
I mean maybe one or two ideas about trade and immigration.
But nothing concrete he is taking a firm stand on.
He is not seeming to be a nationalist as people thought.
I think he is a hodgepodge of confusion.

I watched a great documentary on him made in the 90s (I'm to young, never heard of him till this election). The impression I got; He's really just crony businesses man, it seems he successfully used lies, exaggerations and scams in order to successfully improve his business. This is what he views as how business works and should work. Not a man I'd have any respect for.

 

[SmoothSailing]

Welcome to capitalism. There will always be a Trump, or a Berlusconi. But when such a man gets in "control" (LOL if you think the president has that much of a role or control) of the most warmongering and trigger-happiest country in the world, things will inevitably go awry.

Mostly I thinks it's overblown, probably nothing much will have happened in 4 years, as usual.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

What Trump said was locker room talk in the context of a disgusting locker room full of disgusting, entitled people. I have no doubt some people, many people, speak that way. They don't respect women. They get away with it because they're rich and powerful, exactly as Trump said and in fact he did get away with it.

It's part of what's wrong with this country and why the decline is likely terminal.

 

[SmoothSailing]

What Trump said was locker room talk in the context of a disgusting locker room full of disgusting, entitled people. I have no doubt some people, many people, speak that way. They don't respect women. They get away with it because they're rich and powerful, exactly as Trump said and in fact he did get away with it.

It's part of what's wrong with this country and why the decline is likely terminal.

Locker room talk is part of the reason your country is in decline?

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

I like insight into how people think and react to ideas and thoughts.

You get this with observing their gut reactions to things. If they are worried about being right vs wrong or smart vs dumb--it's dull.

If you are getting responses that are stilted so they can do research or compose long thoughtful 'rational' essays..thats not a real conversation. It's then a debate for the sake of debating.

It't inauthentic to me.
It becomes about fabricating arguments to be 'right' or to 'win' a point with a clever 'jab'.

That's not an authentic discussion to me--it's not even particularly clever to me.

I prefer spontaneous discussions--like you have in person.

Otherwise I find it to be more about pontificating for the forum in general--like a performance.

You're making a lot of assumptions.

There's nothing necessarily inauthentic to reflecting on one's thoughts.

 

[hairblues]

I watched a great documentary on him made in the 90s (I'm to young, never heard of him till this election). The impression I got; He's really just crony businesses man, it seems he successfully used lies, exaggerations and scams in order to successfully improve his business. This is what he views as how business works and should work. Not a man I'd have any respect for.

No, thats not authentic in my opinion i would be curious who produced that documentary
he used media (first local gossip collums only here in NY then larger and larger) and mainly his personal life--his personal tragedies to gain fame.

HUGE difference to me.

 

[hairblues]

What Trump said was locker room talk in the context of a disgusting locker room full of disgusting, entitled people. I have no doubt some people, many people, speak that way. They don't respect women. They get away with it because they're rich and powerful, exactly as Trump said and in fact he did get away with it.

It's part of what's wrong with this country and why the decline is likely terminal.

My objection is not 'locker room' talk

trust me i am not offended by locker room talk--im not even offended by the sexual objectification of women.

Most of the men i have dated and had relationships with have at times objectified me and it's not a problem when it's mutually agreeable it's sexually thrilling.

What the difference is the wording he chose was specifically a description of multiple sexual assault.

Go back and actually read the transcripts instead of listening to it.

he bragged about doing it against their will.

Saying you find women 'hot and want to grab them by the pussy' is very different then bargain you do it all the time weather they like it or not.
Especially when running for leader of the free world.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Locker room talk is part of the reason your country is in decline?

No, it's what the locker room talk implies.

As Trump correctly pointed out, rich people can get away with a lot. He can just grab women by the pussy and get away with it. And he can get laws changed, violate environmental rules, violate ethics rules, violate labour rules, etc etc. Right now he's violating international laws as he pleases.

Government is entirely focused on liquidated the poor, the middle class, third world countries, etc do that the top 1% and even 0.01% can live better and better.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

My objection is not 'locker room' talk

trust me i am not offended by locker room talk--im not even offended by the sexual objectification of women.

Most of the men i have dated and had relationships with have at times objectified me and it's not a problem when it's mutually agreeable it's sexually thrilling.

What the difference is the wording he chose was specifically a description of multiple sexual assault.

Go back and actually read the transcripts instead of listening to it.

he bragged about doing it against their will.

Saying you find women 'hot and want to grab them by the pussy' is very different then bargain you do it all the time weather they like it or not.
Especially when running for leader of the free world.

I get the difference.

 

[hairblues]

You're making a lot of assumptions.

There's nothing necessarily inauthentic to reflecting on one's thoughts.

I think you just like to debate for no other reason then to debate to death.

I gave you my opinion. You can disagree with it but why go on and on?

You say assumptions I am saying that its not the instant real thought you have in a real conversation in person.

 

[SmoothSailing]

No, thats not authentic in my opinion i would be curious who produced that documentary
he used media (first local gossip collums only here in NY then larger and larger) and mainly his personal life--his personal tragedies to gain fame.

HUGE difference to me.

It was a good documentary though. I could give several examples, but one is that in one of his buildings he listed the floors as 10 extra. So 43 was 53. People prefer to buy a place on the 53rd floor over the 43rd.


I'm on my phone otherwise I'd link the documentary. I did think it was good, it had what he inherited and his relationship with the media as well.