This Whole Thing Reminds Me Of Racism And Discrimination

[Notcoolanymore]

Haha

 

[SmoothSailing]

I would object to somebody eating dolphin.

I'll only object to people eating an endangered species, or animals that were treated in certain horrible ways. Otherwise I'm just being hypocritical. Pigs are smart, so are cows. I can't see much reasoning to base my cutoff point just a little bit smarter (dolphins).

On the other hand I could never eat a dog.

Therefore, I think that the ability to predict reception is a skill, a good skill to have, and thus it's not all up to the audience to gauge intent.

Yes, but there is still a big difference between a bad joke and an intentionally jab. Being able to discern the difference is important.

If someone perceives my bad joke as a jab, they are in the wrong, I'm just an unfunny humorless moron.

 

[hairblues]

Yeah ofc. I joke a lot too but I try not to joke about one's nationality or ethnicity too often. Your magic carpet joke is not even a generalisation. Just a silly reference to a Disney movie. Some people would latch onto jokes about ethnicity/nationality and use it all the fk time! Like I had a friend who would seriously make fun of my culture on a weekly basis (we used to be very close) now we are no longer friends. I simply got sick of him.

That would bother me too..If someone was telling american italian jokes or women joked all the f*****g time I would be like 'you trying to say something?"

I'm surprised the guys on here dont get it because its like 'well some bald jokes are funny' but its still insensitive to bald people and if their friends were saying it to them i think they would feel hurt.

(i just triggered 20 people lol)

 

[Xander94]

That would bother me too..If someone was telling american italian jokes or women joked all the f*****g time I would be like 'you trying to say something?"

I'm surprised the guys on here dont get it because its like 'well some bald jokes are funny' but its still insensitive to bald people and if their friends were saying it to them i think they would feel hurt.

(i just triggered 20 people lol)

What are we even discussing?? Only oppression that exists today is from women against men

 

[hairblues]

I'll only object to people eating an endangered species, or animals that were treated in certain horrible ways. Otherwise I'm just being hypocritical. Pigs are smart, so are cows. I can't see much reasoning to base my cutoff point just a little bit smarter (dolphins).

On the other hand I could never eat a dog.



Yes, but there is still a big difference between a bad joke and an intentionally jab. Being able to discern the difference is important.

If someone perceives my bad joke as a jab, they are in the wrong, I'm just an unfunny humorless moron.

I think the dog market is about the live torture not really the 'eating'---I can be mistaken i have not looked into it just sharing what my Dog activist friends say.

I have a lot of empathy for animals but i eat meat so i feel like a dick to give anyone sh*t.

I don't love our new hunting deregulations--that you can now go shoot hibernating animals and cubs pups--that bothers me..its like give them a few years to live and enjoy life. What pride comes from killing a sleeping mother bear and her cubs.

I also get really upset about African animals that are killed for tusks.

Like big game hunters just seem like the biggest assholes to me.


I do think its interesting i see a lot about animals an i have empathy for the animals too but i see NOTHING about children. Or very little. I mean there are kids treated horrifically around world..but people seem more concerned generally speaking about animals,
If i post something about a dog my FB gets hundred of likes, if I post about a starving kids--crickets.

 

[SmoothSailing]

I think the dog market is about the live torture not really the 'eating'---I can be mistaken i have not looked into it just sharing what my Dog activist friends say.

I have a lot of empathy for animals but i eat meat so i feel like a dick to give anyone sh*t.

I don't love our new hunting deregulations--that you can now go shoot hibernating animals and cubs pups--that bothers me..its like give them a few years to live and enjoy life. What pride comes from killing a sleeping mother bear and her cubs.

I also get really upset about African animals that are killed for tusks.

Like big game hunters just seem like the biggest assholes to me.


I do think its interesting i see a lot about animals an i have empathy for the animals too but i see NOTHING about children. Or very little. I mean there are kids treated horrifically around world..but people seem more concerned generally speaking about animals,
If i post something about a dog my FB gets hundred of likes, if I post about a starving kids--crickets.

I always try and look out for hypocrisy in my beliefs. So, for example, if an African animal or cubs are killed, but they are not endangered, or the killing is actually beneficial for the species (often can be the case), then I do not criticize, despite not always feeling right about it.

Because I eat lamb (and other things), I have seen pet lambs that my farmer friend has, there is no reason I should be eating lamb and criticizing others for killing lion cubs (or any other animal) so long as that killing is not making the species endangered, or is for stupid reasons. I can't put any other logical argument out there. I can't otherwise excuse my behavior. This belief has gotten me a lot of hate, but I have yet to be given a good argument against it.

I could eat potatoes instead of lamb, there is no excuse besides the little pleasure I get. "Game hunters", who do not endanger species, are just getting a little pleasure from it, how can I criticize them? I still don't support it at all, and find it hard (sometimes) to view picture of them holding up their kills like trophies, but I don't think I have sufficient grounds to criticize them.

 

[JohnsonDDG]

I always try and look out for hypocrisy in my beliefs. So, for example, if an African animal or cubs are killed, but they are not endangered, or the killing is actually beneficial for the species (often can be the case), then I do not criticize, despite not always feeling right about it.

Because I eat lamb (and other things), I have seen pet lambs that my farmer friend has, there is no reason I should be eating lamb and criticizing others for killing lion cubs (or any other animal) so long as that killing is not making the species endangered, or is for stupid reasons. I can't put any other logical argument out there. I can't otherwise excuse my behavior. This belief has gotten me a lot of hate, but I have yet to be given a good argument against it.

I could eat potatoes instead of lamb, there is no excuse besides the little pleasure I get. "Game hunters", who do not endanger species, are just getting a little pleasure from it, how can I criticize them? I still don't support it at all, and find it hard (sometimes) to view picture of them holding up their kills like trophies, but I don't think I have sufficient grounds to criticize them.

Where I live some people eat cats and dogs - while I don't do It myself I also do not criticise it. If you eat sheep and cows then whats the difference between a dog?

I remember the horse meat scandal in UK three years ago and I thought it was funny how people were hysterical about eating a horse but not a pig.

 

[SmoothSailing]

Where I live some people eat cats and dogs - while I don't do It myself I also do not criticise it. If you eat sheep and cows then whats the difference between a dog?

I remember the horse meat scandal in UK three years ago and I thought it was funny how people were hysterical about eating a horse but not a pig.

Exactly. I hate the idea of someone eating a dog, but I have no grounds to criticize it.

 

[SmoothSailing]

I love dogs, but I'd also like to eat one.

Again, why not both?!

I have a friend who's the same. Loves his dogs more than anything, but ate dog when he was in China.

Just fucks with my head, don't think I could look at my dog again the same. Rare for me to be so devoid of logic . I just love my dog an unreasonable amount. I will cry if he dies when I'm away in south america, it's my biggest worry by far.

 

[Dante92]

I love dogs, but I'd also like to eat one.

Again, why not both?!

Precisely. I see things the same way, since, come on, those are two completely opposite situations. I love dogs (and cats) too, and t's not like we would be eating our own dogs, for f***'s sake. When we eat meat we surely don't think about the animals that were butchered for it.

 

[SmoothSailing]

I cried all the tears in my body for 3 days when my grandmother's dog died.

I was 12 and had grown up with that dog.

Through my hardest times, crashed my dads car, girl who I had been texting for ages told me she wasn't interested (I was still a virgin), friends given up inviting me out due to my apathy, my dog was happy as f*** to see me. During those times he was all I cared about. I had thoughts that the whole world could get fucked so long as me and my dog were OK.

I'd cry sometimes and he'd know I was sad. And become kind of sad himself. I was motivated to become happy to make my dog happy. More benefit than any of the people who tried to cheer me up. Watching him get old is harder than I can describe.

 

[Dench57]

Through my hardest times, crashed my dads car, girl who I had been texting for ages told me she wasn't interested (I was still a virgin), friends given up inviting me out due to my apathy, my dog was happy as f*** to see me. During those times he was all I cared about. I had thoughts that the whole world could get fucked so long as me and my dog were OK.

I'd cry sometimes and he'd know I was sad. And become kind of sad himself. I was motivated to become happy to make my dog happy. More benefit than any of the people who tried to cheer me up. Watching him get old is harder than I can describe.

Are you going to eat him when he's dead?

 

[SmoothSailing]

Are you going to eat him when he's dead?

He'll be part of me then!

 

[hairblues]

I always try and look out for hypocrisy in my beliefs. So, for example, if an African animal or cubs are killed, but they are not endangered, or the killing is actually beneficial for the species (often can be the case), then I do not criticize, despite not always feeling right about it.

Because I eat lamb (and other things), I have seen pet lambs that my farmer friend has, there is no reason I should be eating lamb and criticizing others for killing lion cubs (or any other animal) so long as that killing is not making the species endangered, or is for stupid reasons. I can't put any other logical argument out there. I can't otherwise excuse my behavior. This belief has gotten me a lot of hate, but I have yet to be given a good argument against it.

I could eat potatoes instead of lamb, there is no excuse besides the little pleasure I get. "Game hunters", who do not endanger species, are just getting a little pleasure from it, how can I criticize them? I still don't support it at all, and find it hard (sometimes) to view picture of them holding up their kills like trophies, but I don't think I have sufficient grounds to criticize them.

There is logical and then their is emotional...I think just as an observation its nice to have 'logical' ideals about controversial things because it can make you feel or believe its that simplistic. But their is a human emotion called empathy--and empathy is triggered in different people for different reason--usually some knowledge they learnt, for example the bonding orphaned elephants need after parent is killed or separated from a pack..so if that is something that touches me and X amount of people and we advocate for elephants not to be harmed (or pick an animal for a reason)--Now that being said I dont 'stone' people who go to circuses or ride on elephants in foreign countries but i also support that these things via social awareness start to die out.

I am not always looking for hypocrisy in all things (I do understand it because I dislike hypocrisy myself in others) because the truth is we are ALLL hypocrites about something or other at various times...Anyone who is never a hypocrite is doing it based on a principal that is not going to be sustainable for long.

 

[hairblues]

Where I live some people eat cats and dogs - while I don't do It myself I also do not criticise it. If you eat sheep and cows then whats the difference between a dog?

I remember the horse meat scandal in UK three years ago and I thought it was funny how people were hysterical about eating a horse but not a pig.

Its only because in most countries people bond with cats dogs and horses on an emotional level..I grew up riding horses and i would be horrified to eat a horse..would i do it if i was starving? of course. Would i criticize a host in a foreign country who cooked it? no but i would not eat it. Although i have eaten deer and rabbit and i like deers and rabbits but i never felt emotionally bonded with them.

It's not really complicated that people advocate for animals. I DONT like people who are belligerent about it or discovered being a vegan and now consider all m eat eaters to be murderes...but i think these people are very few and far between. Most vegan and animal rights people i have met are quite about it.

 

[hairblues]

I love dogs, but I'd also like to eat one.

Again, why not both?!

As long as you dont feel that way about women lol

we had a NYC cop arrested a few years ago for having cannibal fantasies online with a woman..i honestly dont remember the detail but there are people who sexualize cannibalism. Crazy...how does that even actually work?

 

[SmoothSailing]

There is logical and then their is emotional...I think just as an observation its nice to have 'logical' ideals about controversial things because it can make you feel or believe its that simplistic. But their is a human emotion called empathy--and empathy is triggered in different people for different reason--usually some knowledge they learnt, for example the bonding orphaned elephants need after parent is killed or separated from a pack..so if that is something that touches me and X amount of people and we advocate for elephants not to be harmed (or pick an animal for a reason)--Now that being said I dont 'stone' people who go to circuses or ride on elephants in foreign countries but i also support that these things via social awareness start to die out.

I am not always looking for hypocrisy in all things (I do understand it because I dislike hypocrisy myself in others) because the truth is we are ALLL hypocrites about something or other at various times...Anyone who is never a hypocrite is doing it based on a principal that is not going to be sustainable for long.

Easiest way to not be hypocritical (which imo is vitally important), is to criticize yourself as much as others for things you deem to be worthy of criticism.

I empathize with dogs but not really with cows, someone else might empathize with cows but not really with dogs. So we shouldn't get in each others way (get the state to intervene), and should live our lives according to our empathy including teaching and spreading what we believe as right. Not including forcing others to comply with our subjective feelings.

 

[hairblues]

I have a friend who's the same. Loves his dogs more than anything, but ate dog when he was in China.

Just fucks with my head, don't think I could look at my dog again the same. Rare for me to be so devoid of logic . I just love my dog an unreasonable amount. I will cry if he dies when I'm away in south america, it's my biggest worry by far.

sometimes losing an animal is harder than losing people.

 

[hairblues]

Easiest way to not be hypocritical (which imo is vitally important), is to criticize yourself as much as others for things you deem to be worthy of criticism.

I empathize with dogs but not really with cows, someone else might empathize with cows but not really with dogs. So we shouldn't get in each others way (get the state to intervene), and should live our lives according to our empathy including teaching and spreading what we believe as right. Not including forcing others to comply with our subjective feelings.

I agree with you bu there is nuance.

I dont agree with people being able to 'hunt' sleeping bear cubs and wolf pups ( i LOVE wolves to me they are like wild dogs but understand they are sometimes over populated and can be dangerous) but what harm is a pup going to do. Just seem usually cruel and sadistic

I have to tell you there is a lot of animal abuse of dogs and cats in USA especially down South for some reason I have no idea why. But a lot of the extremely abused animals wind up coming up North it may just be coincidence because NY has a lot of animal no kill shelters and rescue places..I have several friends who foster animals and via social media finds them good homes.

so a policy we had was that was changed since Trump
1. listing of business in animal sales who had grossly violated abuse laws so they could not continue in those business.
2. being allowed to kill/ hunt hibernating animals and pups and cubs

he took down the website that had 1.
and he took away the regulation for 2.

And i disagree with that. I am allowed to disagree and vote for policies that counter that (he also has a 34% approval rating and I noticed my pro Trump friend who is a HUGE animal lover has gotten very very quiet about him and has taken down a lot of her 'support' photos of him the past few weeks. If had to guess its probably those type of things bothering her. I have to go have coffee with her one day and pick her brain out of curiosity because she was DEVOTED to him went to all his rallies etc. I really doubt she is listening to the Russia stuff as its all 'mysterious' i.e. speculation so far and she is not a news watcher other than Fox.

 

[SmoothSailing]

but what harm is a pup going to do. Just seem usually cruel and sadistic

What harm is a lamb going to do?

And i disagree with that. I am allowed to disagree and vote for policies that counter that

You're allowed to, of course. I'm allowed to criticize you and vote the opposite direction, which I will do, because I refuse to control people based on my feelings when I do things that are logically the same. I don't like being hypocritical.