Very Impressive Dermarolling And Minxodil Results - From Tressless

[Eazy12]

I Believe everyday is too much at 2mm. No time for follicle to heal just as muscles need rest to grow.

More the better imo, skin isnt a muscle, you wouldnt progressively overload for skin gains

 

[HairSuit]

I also have hair and I'm not keeping it very short. What helps is to roll on damp/wet hair. Regarding max efficacy, on the study they rolled until mild erythema was noted and they stopped there . They don't talk about hardcore wounding.Just a thought.

absolutely. I have said several times on here, we are not going for blood. Not at all. That said, I know that when my hair is longer, even with wet hair, I can only get really small strokes without yanking hair out. I am looking forward to trying the derminator.

 

[HairSuit]

More the better imo, skin isnt a muscle, you wouldnt progressively overload for skin gains

I don’t think in this case that more is better. It isn’t the wounding we are going for, it’s the reaction that takes place after the wounding that is important. I think that takes some time.

 

[hairloss_user]

The question remains. Will the regrown hair stay? Like is this permanent. Would be nice to hear from other people who have done it for years.

 

[HairSuit]

The question remains. Will the regrown hair stay? Like is this permanent. Would be nice to hear from other people who have done it for years.

This is something Ive thought about as well. I don’t have any proof of anything, but In theory it would seem to me that if it’s rejuvinating hair that has miniaturized, wouldn’t repeated wounding continue to cause the healing and growth factors to congregate at the follicles where the damage was taking place, there by continually reversing it? Or am I thinking about this all wrong. Of course, the proof is in the pudding.

 

[Red October]

Hey RO,
In my post that you've quoted, I've mentioned that I'm using the dermaroller for 2-3 weeks and you're asking me, how long I've been using it ?

Ha. Sorry man. Need to read full posts! Ok. So not long then.

 

[Trichosan]

The question remains. Will the regrown hair stay? Like is this permanent. Would be nice to hear from other people who have done it for years.

No way to know for sure. But, the principle of adaptability of human physiology has been proven in many things such as drug therapy, exercise, pain management, etc. I would also be worried about at what point microneedling might go from normal tissue healing and growth to fibrosis.

 

[ToLGuy]

I started to notice thinner temples when i was 25 after that i did Nothing until i was 27 i got comments that i had a bald spot on my crown, the whirl was thinning and i started to freak a bit. Tried stupid things like balayam and did scalp excersizes From Tom haggerty. I still do the scalp excersizes because i learned to control the muscles but i dont do it every day.
When i was 28 i bought 3 strips of finasteride and stopped because i didnt notice anything.
By the time i was 30-31 i read alot on the dermoroller/wounding forum and bought minoxidil and a 1.5 dermaroller and i have to honestly say that i regrew alot of hair on the temples, but got lazy after 6 months and stopped minoxidil from kirkland. I only wounded my temples where i wanted regrowt and did lighter Rolling on the top and crown. After 2 years when i was 33 i only did some light Rolling once a month.
Last year i noticed that my temples where getting thinner again and started to do somebody’s regime but it didnt do a thing. 2months ago i started wounding again and i have tons of small hairs in the temples, but they aren’t getting long... but 2 months is short
i’m 37 now and the top and crown is very full and i dont use any medication.

So to make things clear...
in my twenties people told me i was thinning and now when i’m 37 nobody says a thing! Because i have more hair then when i was 28.

That's a fantastic success story. Congratulations. By your previous posts I thought you just maintained, but you actually got regrowth on your crown. That's the zone I'm actually looking to fill, cause my hairline is not that bad yet, and apparently, crowns seem to respond better to microneedling (based on the anecdotal evidence gathered here).
Thanks for your reply. You have given me hope

 

[ToLGuy]

This is something Ive thought about as well. I don’t have any proof of anything, but In theory it would seem to me that if it’s rejuvinating hair that has miniaturized, wouldn’t repeated wounding continue to cause the healing and growth factors to congregate at the follicles where the damage was taking place, there by continually reversing it? Or am I thinking about this all wrong. Of course, the proof is in the pudding.

Well, we could also argue the same for Minoxidil. If it stimulates regrowth by constantly boosting blood circulation around the follicle, then continued use should translate into maintenance of the gains...... However, we all know what happens with minoxidil after a year, so we have to be prepared to anything with this treatment coz unlike minoxidil, there are no studies evaluating long term efficacy of microneedling. We don't even have a good amount of anecdotal evidence for the long term. At least the story of @Kitedude is promising, and seems to have maintained for years, but more subjects are needed to make a more robust conclusion

 

[Longway886]

Is there anyone out there who has actually tried this properly and it hasn’t worked?

 

[HairSuit]

Well, we could also argue the same for Minoxidil. If it stimulates regrowth by constantly boosting blood circulation around the follicle, then continued use should translate into maintenance of the gains...... However, we all know what happens with minoxidil after a year, so we have to be prepared to anything with this treatment coz unlike minoxidil, there are no studies evaluating long term efficacy of microneedling. We don't even have a good amount of anecdotal evidence for the long term. At least the story of @Kitedude is promising, and seems to have maintained for years, but more subjects are needed to make a more robust conclusion

Well, we could also argue the same for Minoxidil. If it stimulates regrowth by constantly boosting blood circulation around the follicle, then continued use should translate into maintenance of the gains...... However, we all know what happens with minoxidil after a year, so we have to be prepared to anything with this treatment coz unlike minoxidil, there are no studies evaluating long term efficacy of microneedling. We don't even have a good amount of anecdotal evidence for the long term. At least the story of @Kitedude is promising, and seems to have maintained for years, but more subjects are needed to make a more robust conclusion

Maybe, but I think this is a different mechanism. Yes minoxidil increases blood flow, but wounding is not about the blood flow per se, it’s about the body’s mechanism of healing and the wound healing factors that it produces in response to the trauma created. Again, I could be completely off base, but in theory, that’s what makes me hopeful.

 

[ToLGuy]

Is there anyone out there who has actually tried this properly and it hasn’t worked?

I've seen a couple of dudes here complaining regarding the lack of results of dermarolling, but they don't mention many details of their regime, so we don't know if they stuck to it consistently for enough time. Did they tried it PROPERLY as you asked? Who knows

 

[ToLGuy]

Maybe, but I think this is a different mechanism. Yes minoxidil increases blood flow, but wounding is not about the blood flow per se, it’s about the body’s mechanism of healing and the wound healing factors that it produces in response to the trauma created. Again, I could be completely off base, but in theory, that’s what makes me hopeful.

Yep, I agree with you. This could be a different mechanism of action, so there is still a chance that it can be maintained over time. We are just lacking data for assessing this in the long term given that formal studies has been conducted since very recently (2013), while studies on finasteride and minoxidil has been conducted since almost 2 decades so we kinda know what happens with those two over time.

For us, who are just about to start micrineedling, the only way to find out is trying it out and adhere to the regime for years, because sadly long term studies won't be published in the near future.

 

[Seeñor Pelitos]

I’m thinking of starting this in the next week or two depending on how long it takes for me to receive the derma pe I order tomorrow. I have a roller but I noticed it would pull hair out or tangle it so I decided to stop. My plan is minoxidil everyday with 1% hydrocortisone cream every other day. Micro needle(pen)1.2-1.5 maybe two times a week. I won’t be using the cream on the days I needle. I will do my best to stay on track and not miss a day with this regimen. I’ll report on any changes. I also have a question for the people using 2.0mm needles. Would that be too deep to cause damage to the follicle? I’m not sure how deep a follicle is but I think you could possibly destroy a few like that.

 

[alibaba92]

Will the needle anyhow break and get stuck on our scalp ?

 

[hrplz]

The needle cartridge looks exactly like those used in the Derminator. Which arrived yesterday (Derminator 2). Tried it out just for a few passes with the twelve needle cartridge. The pulsing of the magnet makes quite a thumping effect. Not quiet but acceptable noise level. I'm going to run it through some wax or PVS, slice a cross section and measure the depth accuracy. I'll also check the needle diameter with the digital micrometer. Maybe someone could do the same with the DrPen.

Are you in the US? How long did it take to deliver? The warnings on their website about USPS were a little crazy (not suggesting USPS is reliable - just seemed strange for a company to phrase it the way they did).

 

[bigjimmy]

Are you in the US? How long did it take to deliver? The warnings on their website about USPS were a little crazy (not suggesting USPS is reliable - just seemed strange for a company to phrase it the way they did).

If you are referring to the people who sell the deminator, I read this reply in regards to a negative review written about their customer service.


Reply from Owndoc
Published 22 August 2018
Thank you too!

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[HairSuit]

Are you in the US? How long did it take to deliver? The warnings on their website about USPS were a little crazy (not suggesting USPS is reliable - just seemed strange for a company to phrase it the way they did).

Just received mine today. About 8 days to receive it in the states

 

[Longway886]

Will the needle anyhow break and get stuck on our scalp ?

Not sure if this is a joke?

 

[alibaba92]

Not sure if this is a joke?

Nope I am asking seriously. Is the needle very flexible ? Otherwise it will break