Very Impressive Dermarolling And Minxodil Results - From Tressless

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Just did my 3rd terminator session at 1.5mm in front and 2.0mm in crown. Feels like i'm destroying what little hair I have left before my eyes
 
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This would also explain people like ZenHead or ToLGuy then, who're seeing fast recovery on their hairlines but very slow progress on the crown. Also the first to go for them.
Even in cases of extraordinary regrowth such as yours this appears to be the case. Following the pattern in reverse.
I would argue that it's not that stem cells/wnt protein need more time to turn on for "late" responders. What I believe is that in long-gone areas, even if stem cells are activated or if the wnt genes are expressed due to wounding, they won't do much if the surrounding tissue is not vascularized enough. Without vascularization, those newborn follicles won't get enough oxygen and nutrients to achieve full development and of course, to produce a new hair filament. I assume that long gone areas require a lot of time (many needling sessions) to re-vascularize all the fibrotic and calcified tissue (practically a collagen and calcium desert), so the newly generated follicles can grow, as well as the old miniaturized follicles can be revived.
This is just my speculation on why I think why some zones take so long to recover.

Still, we should consider the possibility that some people simply don't respond at all. But to believe it, I need to see someone sticking to this for more than a year with Zero results.
i don’t know guys. Coming up on three months soon. Still no signs of efficacy. Again, the areas I’m looking at getting back are just a slight thinning about 1inch into the hairline. It wasn’t even noticeable until about July/August of this past year. So theoretically my hair should be flying back since it was so recent. Not even hairless skin. I’ll keep with it, but I may just be a non responder..... didn’t think we would have those with this.
 

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Guys I have a doubt, I'm microneedling with a 1.5mm roller, does this look like proper wounding? is the blood/erythema too much, too little or just right?
 

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i don’t know guys. Coming up on three months soon. Still no signs of efficacy. Again, the areas I’m looking at getting back are just a slight thinning about 1inch into the hairline. It wasn’t even noticeable until about July/August of this past year. So theoretically my hair should be flying back since it was so recent. Not even hairless skin. I’ll keep with it, but I may just be a non responder..... didn’t think we would have those with this.
Interesting case. But please, keep going. You have absolutely nothing to lose. 15 mins of needling in a week is absolutely nothing. There is still a chance for rewarding results, and almost zero things to lose. I'm pretty sure Im not getting results in my desired zone yet (crown), and I am also approaching the 3 month mark, but you can be damn sure that no matter how depressed I could get to be in the upcoming months, there is NOTHING that will be able to stop me from sticking to this regime until 2020. Stay strong and patient, bro.
 

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Tomorrow marks my one month, no results and possible regression so far. My sessions have been pretty bad and I'm using a cheap pen so hopefully I can get a good one tommorow and finally make something happen.
 

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i don’t know guys. Coming up on three months soon. Still no signs of efficacy. Again, the areas I’m looking at getting back are just a slight thinning about 1inch into the hairline. It wasn’t even noticeable until about July/August of this past year. So theoretically my hair should be flying back since it was so recent. Not even hairless skin. I’ll keep with it, but I may just be a non responder..... didn’t think we would have those with this.

if there is no regrowth for you do you maybe noticed other benefits? For example I always had to wash my hair every day because of their oily look. Since dermarolling I wash my hair only once a week because they look strong and healthy every morning without any shampoo.
 

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Are non responders doing their entire norward scale area of scalp or just the affected areas because if the reverse pattern in order of loss is a thing does that not mean there's a systemic scalp effect going on?
 

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I'm even more impressed by your join date.

Tell us your history.
I joined back in 2002 right when graduating college and noticed the receding the first time I saw that curve where my forehead meets my hairline. I was active on HLH for a while ("UndeniablyBalding"). Eventually I gave up on getting those temples back and stuck with maintaining as a goal.

Got divorced few years back and I think finasteride is losing it's efficacy as I've lost a lot of ground the past few months so decided to see come back to see if there was any groundbreaking treatments.

OMG now here I am 17 years later with you young bucks. Where did my life take that bad turn lol. Honestly, even after all these years of hyped products that turned into shite, I'm extremely optimistic about the next few years. I've held out pretty well. Recent pic. I use dermmatch, and definitely had it rocking in this pic.

Until something is definitive, the kitchen sink it is...
 

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Despite feeling not too comfortable about this, I want to share some pictures with you. I think this thread has done a lot for me, so I wanted to give something back. I am also very interested in what you think about my progress haha ;) I only have good pictures of my right temple/hairline, because they are my main „problem zone“. Started needling (1,5mm) in the second half of November, the first two times once a week, then switched the frequency to twice a month. I also started using 1,7 ml of 3% ru topical every night (except for neeling nights) at the same time, as well as Nizoral shampoo. I seem to have less shedding since the last two weeks.

First picture is from back in June, 4 months after stopping Minoxidil, had a huge shed and lost a lot of hair in my temples and overall density. My hair recovered a bit on its own in the following months, but I use this as my before picture.
Second and third picture are from the end of December, must have been after 3 or 4 sessions of needling.
Fourth picture is from last week. The last two are from yesterday. (I guess this is after 6 sessions)

Keep your eyes out for that pigmentation mark. (Kind of afraid that it will disappear because of the needling and I won‘t be able to see if there has been any progress :) )

I am not really sure if there is real improvement. On the one hand it seems to me that I made some progress, but it could also be all in my head, which is why I would like to hear your thoughts. I will post more pictures in the future if there has been some improvement
 
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I joined back in 2002 right when graduating college and noticed the receding the first time I saw that curve where my forehead meets my hairline. I was active on HLH for a while ("UndeniablyBalding"). Eventually I gave up on getting those temples back and stuck with maintaining as a goal.

Got divorced few years back and I think finasteride is losing it's efficacy as I've lost a lot of ground the past few months so decided to see come back to see if there was any groundbreaking treatments.

OMG now here I am 17 years later with you young bucks. Where did my life take that bad turn lol. Honestly, even after all these years of hyped products that turned into shite, I'm extremely optimistic about the next few years. I've held out pretty well. Recent pic. I use dermmatch, and definitely had it rocking in this pic.

Until something is definitive, the kitchen sink it is...

Your hair in the picture looks really good to me considering you started your treatment in 2002. If had met you in real life, I would not think that you had any problems with hair loss. So, have you been using finasteride since 2002?
 

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Interesting case. But please, keep going. You have absolutely nothing to lose. 15 mins of needling in a week is absolutely nothing. There is still a chance for rewarding results, and almost zero things to lose. I'm pretty sure Im not getting results in my desired zone yet (crown), and I am also approaching the 3 month mark, but you can be damn sure that no matter how depressed I could get to be in the upcoming months, there is NOTHING that will be able to stop me from sticking to this regime until 2020. Stay strong and patient, bro.
Same, man.
Microneedling 2 times a month only for a year. Till January 5 of 2020 no matter what.
Worst that can happen is I maintain. Reckon no one in the Chinese study got worse, so there's that.
Same could be for the rest who are trying this. But speculating won't do anything, so we're left with our needling devices and a lotta patience to see what's at the end.

Which reminds me; I'm approaching the 1 month mark. Upon seeing my hair under the intense lighting of the bathroom, I could swear my worst hit area has gotten slightly worse. There's an undeniable change in overall hair quality; obviously nothing that can be called true results but, if I'm not imagining things, this leads me to believe that the even more minimal shedding I've been getting after starting this treatment has been probably those weak hairs of that area.
Could be a coincidence, but after vigorously passing my hand several times, the two hairs that I saw were miniaturized thin hairs. So the type of hair around that area.
I'm not gonna obsess over this, but I found it interesting. Gonna chalk it up as me imagining things for now.
Significant regrowth there will most likely require of more treatments, but we'll see.
I'm extremely optimistic about the next few years. I've held out pretty well. Recent pic. I use dermmatch, and definitely had it rocking in this pic.

Until something is definitive, the kitchen sink it is...
Yeah, man. Your hair looks really good! Hopefully I can reach your age rocking it like that, haha.
Indeed, the future has a lot of things down the pipeline. Pretty good things at that. But till we see 'em out there we're stuck with what we have.
Good thing we rediscovered microneedling.
 
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Right, official four week update:

So my hair is definitely worse than beginning treatment. I don't know if i can see signs that my hair is becoming thicker. It's hard to tell.
 

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It was the same for me. My hair also got worse between November and end of December (Have no good pic for November). I also had increased shedding in this period until beginning of january. But since the last 10 days I had definitely less shedding. And it seems that some of my vellus hair decided to thicken up, even though I dont want to be too optimistic yet.
 

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Guys I have a couple of questions. Safety ones.

1) Even if one waits for 24 hours before applying minoxidil, shouldn't we take into account the risk of systemic absorbtion from PREVIOUS applications of minoxidil? I mean the half-life of the minoxidil is approx. 22 hours, right? That means - aren't we still messing with non-desired deeper absorption when we take minoxidil in the morning and dermaroll in the evening for example?

2) What about birthday marks/pigmentations or any skin elements, like some imperfections (bumps or lumps)? Disrupting them regularly - cannot that lead to higher risk of skin cancer?

Thank you for your insights.
 

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if there is no regrowth for you do you maybe noticed other benefits? For example I always had to wash my hair every day because of their oily look. Since dermarolling I wash my hair only once a week because they look strong and healthy every morning without any shampoo.
I was hoping at least for maintenance. Definitely did not expect at three months to see more hair in my brush than I ever have. Now, some may say, “ that’s a good sign”! I mean maybe it is or it isn’t. If this were 1 or 2 months, definitely a good sign. 3 mos? Who knows. That’s said, I will continue to use my head as a pin cushion....
 

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It was the same for me. My hair also got worse between November and end of December (Have no good pic for November). I also had increased shedding in this period until beginning of january. But since the last 10 days I had definitely less shedding. And it seems that some of my vellus hair decided to thicken up, even though I dont want to be too optimistic yet.

Seems like you had seasonal shedding
 

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Seems like you had seasonal shedding

Could be, but I started Needling at the same time, so we dont know for sure. I also think I am shedding less daily now than during the whole last year. But I know its still almost too early for me to tell. I guess I have to keep observing in future.
 
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