Where Does Your Rejection Of The Blue Pill Viewpoint Come From?

[DoctorHouse]

I may be unfair, but I sometimes still question the depth of emotional
attachment my family had for me when I initially opened up to them about my own hair loss concerns.

I've always had a hard time generally divulging commentary which relates to my personal experience(s);
Incidentally many of you may not be aware that my own male pattern baldness began in my late teens and more dramatically I was until recently, the only family member exhibiting tell-tale signs of Androgenetic Alopecia.

Their responses were largely generic platitudes - pretty much flaky derivations rooted in lazy ambivalence.
Many of you relate to them in your own personal histories kindly shared here,
eg: "It's not what you look like that matters", or "Look at 'So And So', it hasn't hurt his popularity any"!

As absurd as it sounds today, maybe in their heads they believed their lame answers were good enough for me. My repeated failures to implement their dubious assuages into practice, succeeded only in making me feel lamer and more ashamed. Sometimes I think my hair raising concerns irritated
them also, however in many households we find that denial is a long standing family tradition.

LOL, my mom became a Norwood spotter because of me. Mind you, she married a guy who was already a NW3 at 19 or 20 when she met him so baldness never fazed her. She is always telling me now who is losing their hair and alot of them are celebrities to make me feel better. She hates when I tell her how I want to go to Turkey for a transplant to save some money. She thinks its too dangerous and at this point she may be right. And I got the usual, nobody cares about your hair. And like ID, look at so and so how he shaves his head and does not care.

 

[I.D WALKER]

Strange. I've had the opposite experience since childhood. My mum has been obsessed with my looks and ensuring it's to my best. Even regarding the transplant, she said I can't wait till it grows. And what were the reasons for not having the juvenile hairline, will the density be like the rest of your hair e.t.c. I appreciate this a lot but I can also see why it would be annoying for some. I guess a balance is key and that's the boring correct answer. Denial has far more dangerous consequences.

Hey my convivial canine (Wolfpack),
Your mom sounds like she takes her parental eye details most seriously. That's good.
Lol I may have been ambiguous in my former post, ^ to the extent that it unwittingly
read like an upbringing best described as universally devoid of parental care/supervision.

Arguably all parents choice(s) of parental methodology are up for scrutiny, but
my harsh complaint(s) were contextually based on my strange and stupefying
experience as an only child (seventh son) who came late into his extraordinarily large and educated family,
and who was uniquely stricken with early male pattern baldness.

Wolf do you have any siblings directly afflicted with Androgenetic Alopecia?

 

[Jimbo5]

I owe my existence to a f*****g rug.

Make that your siggy, Fred.

Don't want that gem to get buried...

 

[kj6723]

idk dude at best I'm NW2.5 with a thin front ...that is NOT a good hairline. I don't see myself ever being comfortable going in public with my temples exposed, and this mindset adds a significant layer of stress to my life...what I do to achieve those in those pics I sent you of my combover is a ridiculous routine:

Get out of shower and apply minoxidil foam
wait until hair and foam are dry, fluff up hair, put grooming cream in front to hold "hairline" in place
Put on hat for 30+ minutes to "compact" everything
Do final styling, including hairspray to hold everything in place and ensure no temple exposure

I have to go through this absurd routine every time I want my hair to look like that. It's stressful, time consuming, and the pictures you saw are from one of my better combovers. About half of the time it turns out subpar and I have to say f*ck all and throw on the backwards ballcap

I really don't know how you could say my hair looks alright from those last pics with pretty far advanced bald spots on both sides of my forehead...also want to mention I've been publicly mocked for my hairloss in the past, so even though I probably do have a bit of bdd, I'm not the only one who notices

 

[shookwun]

idk dude at best I'm NW2.5 with a thin front ...that is NOT a good hairline. I don't see myself ever being comfortable going in public with my temples exposed, and this mindset adds a significant layer of stress to my life...what I do to achieve those in those pics I sent you of my combover is a ridiculous routine:

Get out of shower and apply minoxidil foam
wait until hair and foam are dry, fluff up hair, put grooming cream in front to hold "hairline" in place
Put on hat for 30+ minutes to "compact" everything
Do final styling, including hairspray to hold everything in place and ensure no temple exposure

I have to go through this absurd routine every time I want my hair to look like that. It's stressful, time consuming, and the pictures you saw are from one of my better combovers. About half of the time it turns out subpar and I have to say f*ck all and throw on the backwards ballcap

I really don't know how you could say my hair looks alright from those last pics with pretty far advanced bald spots on both sides of my forehead...also want to mention I've been publicly mocked for my hairloss in the past, so even though I probably do have a bit of bdd, I'm not the only one who notices

DUDE I lived behind the comb over for may years. Ridiclious strand by strand combing, and blow drying. Then an old fashion helmet hair spray for hold


Its stressful.

Parents won't understand unless they lived behind it themselves. However, your hair is way better then most people here. Its full and you have the luxury of having strong temple points which makes your NW2 look better then it actually is.



I forget what you were quoted but 2000 grafts is enough to restore your hairline. Its a small procedure, all though u can expect yur entire front transplanted through rahal

 

[Quest]

it's funny, i grew up blue pill bc i was attractive and things went my way. at about 12, puberty hit hard, i got ugly, i felt like sh*t all the time. i quickly turned red pill.

but then this funny thing happened. i learned one important lesson that will always stick with me, that i take into consideration every single day.


you don't have to buy my e-book for me to tell you this lesson, either. ready?


consider what is most productive to your happiness and act on that.

you going bald? fuckin sucks.

can you do anything about it?

yes? then do that.

no? accept it and move on, sitting on it will only bring you into a deeper spiral.

most of us here hate the idea of hair loss because we think women wont accept us, the world wont accept us.

sure, it will change how people look at you.

but no one will ever accept you if you don't accept yourself. people can see your confidence before they see your baldness.

i've been a redpiller since age 12. there's nothing wrong with seeing the world for what it really is.

but how much does mulling on the depressing sh*t help you achieve your happiness? your best life?

 

[blackg]

it's funny, i grew up blue pill bc i was attractive and things went my way. at about 12, puberty hit hard, i got ugly, i felt like sh*t all the time. i quickly turned red pill.

but then this funny thing happened. i learned one important lesson that will always stick with me, that i take into consideration every single day.


you don't have to buy my e-book for me to tell you this lesson, either. ready?


consider what is most productive to your happiness and act on that.

you going bald? fuckin sucks.

can you do anything about it?

yes? then do that.

no? accept it and move on, sitting on it will only bring you into a deeper spiral.

most of us here hate the idea of hair loss because we think women wont accept us, the world wont accept us.

sure, it will change how people look at you.

but no one will ever accept you if you don't accept yourself. people can see your confidence before they see your baldness.

i've been a redpiller since age 12. there's nothing wrong with seeing the world for what it really is.

but how much does mulling on the depressing sh*t help you achieve your happiness? your best life?

People can see your confidence before they see your baldness.

The dreaded "C" word again.

 

[Exodus2011]

Quest i'm totally with you there other than people seeing your confidence before your baldness. as long as you aren't slouching over with glassy eyes from being about to cry, how could that be possible?

even cowardly anxious super cucks don't do that.

 

[That Guy]

@kj6723

People are more supportive of sex-change operations than they are of hair transplants or any "cosmetic" surgery. It's okay to undergo drastic surgery and hormone altering treatments if you are transgender, because this will help you "be happy with your true self" or some sh*t like that, but you want to take anti-androgens and get a hair transplant?

What's wrong with you?

 

[Dench57]

i've been a redpiller since age 12.

people can see your confidence before they see your baldness.

 

[That Guy]

He's also colour blind, apparently.

 

[Roberto_72]

it's funny, i grew up blue pill bc i was attractive and things went my way. at about 12, puberty hit hard, i got ugly, i felt like sh*t all the time. i quickly turned red pill.

but then this funny thing happened. i learned one important lesson that will always stick with me, that i take into consideration every single day.


you don't have to buy my e-book for me to tell you this lesson, either. ready?


consider what is most productive to your happiness and act on that.

you going bald? fuckin sucks.

can you do anything about it?

yes? then do that.

no? accept it and move on, sitting on it will only bring you into a deeper spiral.

most of us here hate the idea of hair loss because we think women wont accept us, the world wont accept us.

sure, it will change how people look at you.

but no one will ever accept you if you don't accept yourself. people can see your confidence before they see your baldness.

i've been a redpiller since age 12. there's nothing wrong with seeing the world for what it really is.

but how much does mulling on the depressing sh*t help you achieve your happiness? your best life?

Personally I do not agree with this. If you want to distantiate yourself from love life, good for you. However, the idea that your love life remains undented after you have become a severely balding man (NW3+) goes in the opposite common expience that women, like men, like beautiful people with as few defects as possible. Why shouldn't they? Why should women like "confidence" over a nice face and good hair?

The confidence concept is clearly chauvinistic. Women have instincts as we men do. We should not patronize them by pretending they do not like hot men but "confident" men. It would be a bit too easy wouldn't it?

 

[kj6723]

@kj6723

People are more supportive of sex-change operations than they are of hair transplants or any "cosmetic" surgery. It's okay to undergo drastic surgery and hormone altering treatments if you are transgender, because this will help you "be happy with your true self" or some sh*t like that, but you want to take anti-androgens and get a hair transplant?

What's wrong with you?

What's funny about that is I believe often when people get gender reassignment surgery a hair transplant is part of the process to create that low, rounded feminine hairline

 

[kj6723]

DUDE I lived behind the comb over for may years. Ridiclious strand by strand combing, and blow drying. Then an old fashion helmet hair spray for hold


Its stressful.

Parents won't understand unless they lived behind it themselves. However, your hair is way better then most people here. Its full and you have the luxury of having strong temple points which makes your NW2 look better then it actually is.



I forget what you were quoted but 2000 grafts is enough to restore your hairline. Its a small procedure, all though u can expect yur entire front transplanted through rahal

My situation definitely isn't nearly as grave as Fred's was. Basically, as long as meds continue to maintain me, I can continue as is, and maintain the illusion of no hairloss to most people, but with the added layer of paranoia, stress, and a time consuming routine.

Or I can get a transplant, get short haircuts when I feel like it, and wear trendy styles that expose my hairline, all without worrying about a gust of wind leaving me with the balding stigma, or a woman running her hands through my crusty, hairsprayed temple covers

 

[shookwun]

My situation definitely isn't nearly as grave as Fred's was. Basically, as long as meds continue to maintain me, I can continue as is, and maintain the illusion of no hairloss to most people, but with the added layer of paranoia, stress, and a time consuming routine.

Or I can get a transplant, get short haircuts when I feel like it, and wear trendy styles that expose my hairline, all without worrying about a gust of wind leaving me with the balding stigma, or a woman running her hands through my crusty, hairsprayed temple covers

A transplant is where it's at. The agony; and stress involved with living behind the comb over is brutal. It ruined part of my teenage years. I had to much pride to expose my weakness. In return didn't get involved in many relationships and avoided lit's of activities that involved water, camping and any event where I would show who I truly am. Baldness is a sick disease that will eat your esteem and worth away.

For those that are able to say f*** it and rock a short exposed NW2 without a care. I commend them for being able to live there lives without stress. Like yourself, I was not able to do it. Enduring self torture....

A transplant is a long road to recovery though. It wI'll be bumpy and you will feel worse then you did prior to surgery but overtime it will get better. First major surgery is the hardest. The hair after surgery will grow in very slow, along with yur native surroundings.

Looking back, I can't believe how sick this disease is. I literally got to the point where I wore a wig because I got tires of how thin my hair was when short. For the longest time I kept it at a half inch on top. Can't believe the difference in appearance my hair has once I started growing it out. In a layered style of cutting my hair looks semi thick. At about 3 inches at rhe frontal third and 2 inch at the crown, it looks thick with no diffuse.


Its amazing how decieving hair loss is. When buzzed it looked very wispy and thin.

I can relate to many on this forum except the advanced baldites. I was a NW2 at 16, thin hair, done comb overs, became a hat prisoner, wore a toupee and had transplants. I know what most sides of the coin are like. I am telling you that the only solution is a hair transplant and many more to come.

 

[Patrick_Bateman]

You guys really think NW2 is that bad? This guy is NW3 and still looks good, he has thick hair though.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

You guys really think NW2 is that bad? This guy is NW3 and still looks good, he has thick hair though.

Everycase is different.

The guy above though is a classically handsome man otherwise, his remaining hair is strong, and regardless he'd look better with more hair.

Henry Cavill is another example:

 

[kj6723]

You guys really think NW2 is that bad? This guy is NW3 and still looks good, he has thick hair though.

Yeah, I mean he doesn't look bad, still a decent looking dude, but he'd undoubtedly be better looking if he dropped down a Norwood level or 2. Thus male pattern baldness is negatively affecting his looks.

He is also in danger of the balding stigma...as in, he clearly has male pattern baldness = he's on a path that ends with a bald head. I'm not interested in people having that thought about me

 

[hairblues]

I did not like Interstellar because, although it was visually beautiful, I found some lines cheesy.

I had seen McConaughey in True Detective where he had the most disenchanted role, so the contrast was too stark.

True Detective was imperfect but had one of my all time favorite scenes ever. they did it all in a 'oner' from start to finish..freaking genius. So f*****g hard to do they probably spent days repeating it over and over to get it right.
i dont know wtf happened season 2.

 

[kj6723]

Everycase is different.

The guy above though is a classically handsome man otherwise, his remaining hair is strong, and regardless he'd look better with more hair.

Henry Cavill is another example:

With celebrities, I wonder if sometimes their management has to step in and urge them to treat their balding. With me, I didn't realize I had male pattern baldness until I hit 2.5 territory even though I'd already been in 2 land for like 10 years. I wonder if the management team or whatever has to be like, "look, you need to get on finasteride or your career is in jeopardy"