Disfigured Man Discovers Looks-matching: Big Think

[JohnsonDDG]

I never mention numbers to women - in the UK its a bit of a taboo to ask people how many people they've fucked.

I don't mind if a woman has slept around a little bit - but anything over 50 would be a cause for concern.

I've actually heard some women think its a bad thing if a man has had 20 or 30 sexual partners - I personally don't agree with that sentiment as I feel it confirms some kind of sexual market value.

 

[Haironn]

the real sad thing is that if you date a girl who slept with lots of guys- you probably won't know about because she'd never tell you the real number if it's high.
personally I'd never have a relationship with a girl who slept with 60 guys in 2 semesters or 190 guys in total, and I think many men like me wouldn't date them either, and those girls know that very well, that's why most girls don't really share their real number with potential dates, if it's a high one.

 

[Rudiger]

I can't ever convince you because I can't give you definite proof. Like your talks with you best girl friend, I can't think of that as proof one way or another either. All I'm saying is that you've lived in a completely different world in your late teens and twenties, in 2017 sluttiness is celebrated and women have easy access to the genetical top men also known as Chads. The guys girls are actually attracted to (bare in mind bottom 80% are unattractive to girls) have an easy time having sex with different girls every weekend, and have lay counts in the mid triple digits in the end of their 20s. Girls who are slim and non deformed all have lay counts you wouldn't even believe if they told you, the truth is they all lie about it or they don't want to say it. Multiply whatever they answer by 3 and you're getting closer.
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OK I appreciate youre not pulling these conclusions from nowhere but I don't see how you can be so sure, just like I can't be so sure about the majority of my experiences being honest. Though I did give a background on my best friends most embarrassing story of being randomyl banged by a pool, by an average looking dude, the reason for this story was to show she is explicit and honest about things. If she didn't leave out that story (and a few others really) and the rest of her sexual history is pretty respectful, doesn't f*** until at least 5 or more dates etc. I get the impression she is telling me everything. And probably about her friends as well.

I know you at least have your reasons based on internet forums etc. But I can't prove anything the same as you, I won't try and belittle your opinion.

The fact you think I don't know what slutwalk is, or possibly that most people don't, you underestimate me. It's a bit like you think of more people knew about things like slutwalk we'd know what women are really like, and people who don't think what you do have not seen the light. In reality I simply don't believe these women represent a significant amount of modern females, and for most of them its a passing phase they'll soon look back on and cringe.

Also on top of that, I get the impression these slutwalk women, half of them are misandrists anyway, they're probably least likely to be banging 60 dudes (I think Fred said similar) so what a group to pick.

No, I usually get those numbers during pillow talk. Most girls are not so open on a first date.

I meant naive because you think that women are turning down opportunities with men they get the hots for based on their behavior or the things they said, and that there must be so many potential candidates hovering over them at all times.

No, that's not what's happening, what's happening is that almost all the guys around them are just beings that don't evoke anything sexual in them, finding a guy she wants to have sex with is not easy.

My bottom line on this long debate: there are no "maybe girls" just waiting to be wooed and turned into "yes girls" out there. Just "yes girls" that would have been into you in every alternative universe no matter what you did and said, as long as you were not threatening and you moved the interaction forward.

Do you agree with this conclusion?

Well you said 87 dates have had these conversations came back so unless you bedded all of them, that's why I got this impression.

Haha good try on last sentence. I've had and seen too many examples that contradict this, does it mean the guy pulled a miracle with his outstanding charisma? No but he was good looking enough to interest her, and kept with it until she just went with it.

 

[RegenWaiting]

I never mention numbers to women - in the UK its a bit of a taboo to ask people how many people they've fucked.

I don't mind if a woman has slept around a little bit - but anything over 50 would be a cause for concern.

I've actually heard some women think its a bad thing if a man has had 20 or 30 sexual partners - I personally don't agree with that sentiment as I feel it confirms some kind of sexual market value.

I think you're generous toward women, then. Anything over a few ''mistakes'' (like 2-3 max) is major cause for concern to me. Not because I think their pussy is sh*t, and I won't enjoy it, but I'm alking LTR here. Them morals and ethics are included, and more than ''a few'' misses, is to many misses for me. Just my thoughts.

 

[CaptainForehead]

If a girl doesn't want to, she never wanted to. You don't f*** up, you don't fail to live up to her standards, her pussy was just always dry for you, and you would have gained nothing by wooing her but an abrased c***.

That was beautifully put!

 

[Rudiger]

No, it means that the girl was always attracted to him, and he would have succeeded no matter what as long as he was moving the interaction forward and didn't appear to be a threat .

That's what I believe. And I also believe that women, people in general have very little self-awareness. So when a girl says: "Nah he did nothing for me at first, but then, he won me over"...

I don't believe her.

Yep I know the protocol by now, and Fredpill FAQ.

One of the first girls I had sex with, before my growth spurt when I was a spotty fat freckly kid, was a similarly 3/10 girl I didn't remotely like physically. Part of me realised that I won't get huge amounts of other opportunities, stay in your lane, but as I got to know her daily (sat beside me in one class) the idea of kissing or f*****g her started to feel more acceptable. No doubt that attraction grew, if she had went to suck my dick the first time I saw her I legit wouldn't have got hard, but months down the line and she got me as horny as seeing girls much hotter than her (not as in "seeing" like f*****g obviously, seeing like literally visually seeing other hotter girls and not caring so much).

I'm throwing out an example here that could be viewed in different ways and is not necessarily trying to extinguish your ideology, but wondering what your take on that specific example might be. I have given many in the past (eg girl wasn't interested in me for months, eventually changed her mind) but that's way too blue pilled (although what can I say, it happened) so I'll not alienate you completely. This example with a 3/10 girl who became like a 6/10 to me over time, as I got her humour and found I could message her thoroughly without getting bored, this increased my attraction to her. No doubt realising she was on "my level" is what initiated it, I wouldn't have considered her if I was an 8, but once I felt I had to, personal connection was making my dick hard for her.

Or that's what it felt like anyway.

 

[RegenWaiting]

No, it means that the girl was always attracted to him, and he would have succeeded no matter what as long as he was moving the interaction forward and didn't appear to be a threat .

That's what I believe. And I also believe that women, people in general have very little self-awareness. So when a girl says: "Nah he did nothing for me at first, but then, he won me over"...

I don't believe her.

I hope this isn't true Fred (what you believe). If people have so little self-awareness, then they are generelly very little above instinct-driven animals. To me, it would be the ultimate defeat. I'm saying this because I was brought up in the spirit of loyalty in first place when it comes to your partner in life. And that is what I'm searching for. I know the sexual tension will detoriate after a while, but the respect for one another should still stay.

Put it like this: If my girlfriend experienced a tragic accident and lost much of her appearance, I would never leave her. That's 100% fact. I have experienced to have my girlfriend loose much of her teeth, and went through a hell to restore them (took a while). Even though it would sometimes be sexually depressing, and I fantasized about others (not only then), I never actually made those fantasies true. Never did anything to make it happen.

It think much of your beliefs (like many other here) comes from the fact that you are talking about western women. In all their search for liberty and intellectuality, western women have come to accomplish nothing more than fall back to an animal-like kingdom society where one ''alfa male'' (top 10%) gets all the women. And they say having three wives is a crime. Well that's what we got afterall. And you also have beta providers. Sad story indeed.

 

[JohnsonDDG]

I think you're generous toward women, then. Anything over a few ''mistakes'' (like 2-3 max) is major cause for concern to me. Not because I think their pussy is sh*t, and I won't enjoy it, but I'm alking LTR here. Them morals and ethics are included, and more than ''a few'' misses, is to many misses for me. Just my thoughts.

I don't think its poor morals to have sex plenty of times in your teens and 20s.

Morality and sex don't really mix for me - sex only becomes a moral issue if you are cheating - if you are single sleep with a new person every weekend if you want.

And lets face it - if we could f*** someone new every weekend then we probably would.

 

[RegenWaiting]

I don't think its poor morals to have sex plenty of times in your teens and 20s.

Morality and sex don't really mix for me - sex only becomes a moral issue if you are cheating - if you are single sleep with a new person every weekend if you want.

And lets face it - if we could f*** someone new every weekend then we probably would.

What you are decribing is to totally surrender to any pleasures that may come along (except cheating). Who do you think will be more prone to cheating; 1) A virgin girl that married, 2) A girl that slept with >30 people before marriyng you? Extreme examples to get to the point. See the studies... If we behave like animals today, we're more likely to do it tomorrow. I believe we can use our mind to separate us from animals in order to prosphere. Before we had unwritten rules for this, today we rely more on self morale and ethics. It doesn't seem to work.

 

[JohnsonDDG]

What you are decribing is to totally surrender to any pleasures that may come along (except cheating). Who do you think will be more prone to cheating; 1) A virgin girl that married, 2) A girl that slept with >30 people before marriyng you? Extreme examples to get to the point. See the studies... If we behave like animals today, we're more likely to do it tomorrow. I believe we can use our mind to separate us from animals in order to prosphere. Before we had unwritten rules for this, today we rely more on self morale and ethics. It doesn't seem to work.

What country are you from?

Your beliefs sound quite Asian to me.

I just don't see how having sex with someone on the weekend is behaving like an animal.

Honestly, if you could have sex this weekend with no strings attached with an attractive woman would you?

 

[RegenWaiting]

What country are you from?

Your beliefs sound quite Asian to me.

I just don't see how having sex with someone on the weekend is behaving like an animal.

Honestly, if you could have sex this weekend with no strings attached with an attractive woman would you?

South-West Europe. Yes, I would(you got me), but I'm not saying that's right. However, I know that behavior is contrary(does not go with) to what I seek in a life partner. How do I write this...We all like partying in high school and colleges, and getting drunk and sleep around with many girl friends in that period in life. But, later in life we want what asians and muslims have in their marriage. Stability. Loyalty. You see? When we get 30-ish, we want something we threw away in teens and early 20s. Sometimes, it just seems that it wasn't worth it. Can you feel me?

 

[Haironn]

Yep I know the protocol by now, and Fredpill FAQ.

One of the first girls I had sex with, before my growth spurt when I was a spotty fat freckly kid, was a similarly 3/10 girl I didn't remotely like physically. Part of me realised that I won't get huge amounts of other opportunities, stay in your lane, but as I got to know her daily (sat beside me in one class) the idea of kissing or f*****g her started to feel more acceptable. No doubt that attraction grew, if she had went to suck my dick the first time I saw her I legit wouldn't have got hard, but months down the line and she got me as horny as seeing girls much hotter than her (not as in "seeing" like f*****g obviously, seeing like literally visually seeing other hotter girls and not caring so much).

I'm throwing out an example here that could be viewed in different ways and is not necessarily trying to extinguish your ideology, but wondering what your take on that specific example might be. I have given many in the past (eg girl wasn't interested in me for months, eventually changed her mind) but that's way too blue pilled (although what can I say, it happened) so I'll not alienate you completely. This example with a 3/10 girl who became like a 6/10 to me over time, as I got her humour and found I could message her thoroughly without getting bored, this increased my attraction to her. No doubt realising she was on "my level" is what initiated it, I wouldn't have considered her if I was an 8, but once I felt I had to, personal connection was making my dick hard for her.

Or that's what it felt like anyway.

lol it's funny cause you basically did what the video said that average and below men do, they let go of the search for looks and focus on other things in the person, cause they have no choice.

 

[JohnsonDDG]

South-West Europe. Yes, I would(you got me), but I'm not saying that's right. However, I know that behavior is contrary(does not go with) to what I seek in a life partner. How do I write this...We all like partying in high school and colleges, and getting drunk and sleep around with many girl friends in that period in life. But, later in life we want what asians and muslims have in their marriage. Stability. Loyalty. You see? When we get 30-ish, we want something we threw away in teens and early 20s. Sometimes, it just seems that it wasn't worth it. Can you feel me?

Was you raised catholic?

I do understand what you are saying, but I think its a mistake to think that people who had a lot of fun in their 20s cant settle down and commit in their 30s.

I've had a lot of casual sex but I've never cheated on a long term partner. Plus, i'd also love to find a long term relationship before 35.

 

[Rudiger]

lol it's funny cause you basically did what the video said that average and below men do, they let go of the search for looks and focus on other things in the person, cause they have no choice.

It doesn't negate the idea that an 8/10 guy doesn't search for other things too, you just search for those things on top of finding a 7/10 looking woman.

I was dating within my bounds, and discovered other things I liked about her in the process. I wasn't necessarily "looking" for these things as in imagining or fabricating them, they appear over time. Similarly if you are with someone with a sh*t personality, over time things will only deteriorate, not strengthen.

If looks were all that mattered in a relationship for me I could've settled down and been miserable years ago. I am somewhat of a demanding character (surprised anyone?) and being around someone too much is hard for me, I need my space unless I'm endlessly enamoured by them.

Hard task to live up to, and certainly not fulfilled by simply being pretty.

 

[Haironn]

It doesn't negate the idea that an 8/10 guy doesn't search for other things too, you just search for those things on top of finding a 7/10 looking woman.

I was dating within my bounds, and discovered other things I liked about her in the process. I wasn't necessarily "looking" for these things as in imagining or fabricating them, they appear over time. Similarly if you are with someone with a sh*t personality, over time things will only deteriorate, not strengthen.

If looks were all that mattered in a relationship for me I could've settled down and been miserable years ago. I am somewhat of a demanding character (surprised anyone?) and being around someone too much is hard for me, I need my space unless I'm endlessly enamoured by them.

Hard task to live up to, and certainly not fulfilled by simply being pretty.

the problem is that I believe that there are two types of attraction, physical, core attraction, and emotional attraction, and I believe that emotional attraction always fades away sooner or later, and then if there is no core attraction, the relationship will go down hill real fast, so you dated within your bounds, someone who was 3/10, then started liking the way she is, got close to her little by little, and suddenly you got hard for her like you'd get hard for 8/10 girls, that's where the emotional attraction kicked in, you basically started liking her, but sooner or later, in long term dating, when routine kicks in, then she suddenly starts annoying you, and you get tired of her sh*t, and the sparkles are gone, the emotional attraction disappears, and since you weren't really physically attracted to her to begin with, there is basically nothing left for you, and the chances that you'd try to revive what was is now gone, with a person that you're not really physically attracted to, is slim.

I'm talking from experience on this one.

 

[Medina]

I've done that plenty of time, and the reaction in the vast majority of cases was:

"Of course you can! " *she giggles and leans towards me*.

More PUA 101 content please! Where can I buy your $9,99 ebook prefaced by @Rudiger ?

Engage properly my ***, those girls were just looking for some entertainment for the night, happens more than you think, but they weren't initially attracted to the guy.

My theory still stands. Plenty of girls have admitted to me that they never had any intention of kissing me or f*****g me, they just wanted to blow some steam with a random guy from a dating website since they felt lonely.

You can tell when you try to kiss her or by feeling the general vibe, the sexual tension just isn't there. But of course guys like your gay-sounding friend probably can't even feel it.

If a girl doesn't want to, she never wanted to. You don't f*** up, you don't fail to live up to her standards, her pussy was just always dry for you, and you would have gained nothing by wooing her but an abrased c***.

Man you are so frustrating. Are you actually trolling me?

"Those girls". You mean my sisters? Who happen to be 9/10's with no reason to lie about anything. I don't follow PUA or Rudiger. I am my own man with my own experiences. The girls in Belgium must be retarded. That is the only possible explanation. The things you teach and go on about do not apply anywhere else. Asking a girl permission to kiss her is a death sentence. Being shy and awkward is a death sentence. Even the WOMEN ON THIS DAMN FORUM HAVE TOLD YOU THIS.

 

[CaptainForehead]

Man you are so frustrating. Are you actually trolling me?

"Those girls". You mean my sisters? Who happen to be 9/10's with no reason to lie about anything. I don't follow PUA or Rudiger. I am my own man with my own experiences. The girls in Belgium must be retarded. That is the only possible explanation. The things you teach and go on about do not apply anywhere else. Asking a girl permission to kiss her is a death sentence. Being shy and awkward is a death sentence. Even the WOMEN ON THIS DAMN FORUM HAVE TOLD YOU THIS.

He's banged women from around the world. An American, and his current GF is Dutch I believe.

 

[Medina]

He's banged women from around the world. An American, and his current GF is Dutch I believe.

Good for him. I bet he didn't do it by being shy, boring and awkward and having no sense of humor.

 

[RegenWaiting]

Was you raised catholic?

I do understand what you are saying, but I think its a mistake to think that people who had a lot of fun in their 20s cant settle down and commit in their 30s.

I've had a lot of casual sex but I've never cheated on a long term partner. Plus, i'd also love to find a long term relationship before 35.

Well, then we just differ in opinion. I just think that women/girls who have been ''there'' before many, or even several times, are more prone to repeat that behaviour. I'm looking at their pattern. Also, they have experienced many things with someone already, making them less special every time after that, and therefore less emotional connection. Also, they are ''not afraid'' of breaking of (not in the sense of judgement from society or something like that), so that results in less tolerence for faults from the other part. Tolerance may even be the crucial thing lacking in such women, often talkad about as 'able to love' and 'respect' etc.

 

[JohnsonDDG]

Well, then we just differ in opinion. I just think that women/girls who have been ''there'' before many, or even several times, are more prone to repeat that behaviour. I'm looking at their pattern. Also, they have experienced many things with someone already, making them less special every time after that, and therefore less emotional connection. Also, they are ''not afraid'' of breaking of (not in the sense of judgement from society or something like that), so that results in less tolerence for faults from the other part. Tolerance may even be the crucial thing lacking in such women, often talkad about as 'able to love' and 'respect' etc.

How old are you?

I'm in my 30s and its impossible to find a woman who hasn't a sexual past